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Zeroisanumber posted:I never wanted to be on his team, I wanted to ideologically destroy him. What the gently caress is wrong with lawyers? As a lawyer usually you don't pick which side you represent.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Scalia's only good thing was that he didn't couch his bigotry in legal jargon.
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You can say pretty much the same thing about any horrible, yet competent person. I'm not sure why some people want to keep pointing out that Scalia was good at being so awful like it's some kind of positive quality and we are losing anything of real substance (beyond legal navel gazing) with his removal from the bench. Like if we get more rights for minorities, no union busting, and cleaner air but it's at the cost of his brilliant legal prose and assholish yet sick burns at people he considers idiots in his dissents I think we don't have to really act that it's such a terrible thing. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Feb 17, 2016 |
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Feb 17, 2016 20:11
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Scalia was Rush Limbaugh in a robe.
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Feb 17, 2016 20:14
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computer parts posted:Your options are: The 18 year terms thing is a really good idea, each President gets exactly 2 SCOTUS picks and 18 years is plenty long enough. I would also implement some mechanism to prevent vacant seats on all federal courts from being obstructed for years on end, some sort of mandatory floor votes after a certain time period has elapsed or something.
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Radish posted:You can say pretty much the same thing about any horrible, yet competent person. I'm not sure why some people want to keep pointing out that Scalia was good at being so awful like it's some kind of positive quality and we are losing anything of real substance (beyond legal navel gazing) with his removal from the bench. It's the modern equivalent to all of those people opening about the subtle genius of the Desert Fox.
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Feb 17, 2016 20:19
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Yeah someone put into the position as powerful as a SCOTUS justice three decades ago by a guy elected five Presidents ago is kinda ridiculous because the politics of the country shift and while direct election of justices is a terrible idea people should have some agency in that. I think the 18 year plan is fine especially if the senate is forced to vote on the appointment. You are always going to run the risk of a person dying in office but I think there should be some limit other than the person kicking the bucket or deciding they can step down safely.
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evilweasel posted:Predictit is still giving odds of about 35%-40% Obama gets someone confirmed, which I don't quite get. I keep wondering what I'm missing, or if I should just start collecting the free money. Seems like a lot of people default to two in five or one in three when there's not an objective measure available.
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This thread reminded me to update my liquor shopping list for the next time I'm traveling through Delaware. That gently caress Scalia Died 2 oz. dark rum 3/4 oz. Rothman & Winter Orchard Apricot liqueur 1/2 oz. lemon juice 1/4 oz. simple syrup The Glumslinger posted:How long until the republicans canonize him to go along with Saint Reagan? mcmagic posted:Scalia was Rush Limbaugh in a robe.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I never wanted to be on his team, I wanted to ideologically destroy him. What the gently caress is wrong with lawyers? More seriously, Scalia was great at his job and working under him would have probably been incredibly satisfying as long as you can live with what Scalia used his job to accomplish.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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I can totally understand people that shared his ideology being sad about his departure. I however don't think he deserves any respect from anyone else based on the quality of his work.
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Feb 17, 2016 20:53
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Radish posted:I can totally understand people that shared his ideology being sad about his departure. I however don't think he deserves any respect from anyone else based on the quality of his work. No, no matter how wrong he might be he was very, very talented at writing opinions. Again this may be something easier for lawyers to understand (but then again, it's a quality that's more relevant to being a good lawyer than being a good judge).
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Feb 17, 2016 20:56
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Usually when people die you say nice things about them idk.
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evilweasel posted:No, no matter how wrong he might be he was very, very talented at writing opinions. Again this may be something easier for lawyers to understand (but then again, it's a quality that's more relevant to being a good lawyer than being a good judge). Yeah. that actually came up for me during a facebook discussion around the marriage equality ruling. "He has terrible opinions, but at least he's fun to read. Reading a Thomas opinion is like watching paint peel. If we should have adversaries, at least they should be entertaining."
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Why are people like sitting Democratic Senators and the AG being considered to fill this position? That seems to be a dumb political move to me, it makes things easier for the GOP and their obstruction plan. The optics would look much worse if they voted down a well qualified appeals court justice, especially someone like Sri who was confirmed 97-0 not too long ago, or that justice who is friends with Grassley. That way you don't have to go through the painstaking process of replacing the AG or senator either.
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evilweasel posted:No, no matter how wrong he might be he was very, very talented at writing opinions. Again this may be something easier for lawyers to understand (but then again, it's a quality that's more relevant to being a good lawyer than being a good judge). eh
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MaxxBot posted:Why are people like sitting Democratic Senators and the AG being considered to fill this position? That seems to be a dumb political move to me, it makes things easier for the GOP and their obstruction plan. The optics would look much worse if they voted down a well qualified appeals court justice, especially someone like Sri who was confirmed 97-0 not too long ago, or that justice who is friends with Grassley. That way you don't have to go through the painstaking process of replacing the AG or senator either. Obama doesn't just get one pick. If he nominates someone and they decry the fact that the person he nominated is not a judge and start making out that they'd be fine nominating someone but not this person who isn't a judge, he can then withdraw that nomination and put a judge forward, making it more awkward for the Senate to then complain.
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evilweasel posted:No, no matter how wrong he might be he was very, very talented at writing opinions. Again this may be something easier for lawyers to understand (but then again, it's a quality that's more relevant to being a good lawyer than being a good judge). Amen. It's been a decade since I took ConLaw, but I remember Scalia's opinions (particularly his dissents) being the most engaging to read, even if I usually found them to be substantively repugnant.
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eh, one of his clerks hosed up there and spent a week in the torture dungeons as punishment, Scalia isn't there to do his own fact-checking or research
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Radish posted:I can totally understand people that shared his ideology being sad about his departure. I however don't think he deserves any respect from anyone else based on the quality of his work. I think it's incredibly sad that the position of "guy did bad things, I must hate everything he does" has become so common, with people refusing to appreciate that their opponents exist in any form beyond their most outrageous terrible opinion and must be capital E Evil. Scalia was a loving bastard, and I'm glad he isn't around to gently caress other people's lives up anymore, but he was a skilled and magnificient bastard.
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To me being really skilled and using that ability to make people's lives worse or indirectly let them be killed is a bad thing and not something worth respect but that's up to our own individual interpretations of the man.
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blowfish posted:I think it's incredibly sad that the position of "guy did bad things, I must hate everything he does" has become so common, with people refusing to appreciate that their opponents exist in any form beyond their most outrageous terrible opinion and must be capital E Evil. Well there are a lot of different degrees of political opponents. I work with mostly Republicans and I'm friends with them and it's totally cool, because they're not "jailing gays is totally reasonable" Scalia levels of crazy. It's hard for me to not view people who want to jail me over petty differences as evil.
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evilweasel posted:Predictit is still giving odds of about 35%-40% Obama gets someone confirmed, which I don't quite get. I keep wondering what I'm missing, or if I should just start collecting the free money. Speaking as a poker player, I'd take 35% odds. I would peg it as an underlay to 42% or so, plus I personally feel he'll get someone through. 11 months is a long time for something as highly visible as a Supreme Court absence. Even if the media coverage is a blassé "nope still no Supreme Court justice," it still keeps the issue on the forefront of people's minds that, hey, why don't we have a Supreme Court justice yet? I also think Obama's first nomination will fail no matter who it is, and he'll use that to put forth a second candidate without whatever vociferous objections they had during the first pick. Stonewalling that pick plus high visibility should finally get them to cave, idk, eight months from now? I'm pulling numbers out of my rear end here but they feel right! 
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euphronius posted:Usually when people die you say nice things about them idk. So what was his Autobahn?
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Nenonen posted:How dead is Scalia atm and has his deadness remained stable? 1: As all hell 2: Yes according to every available indicator
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Scalia's decisions being "fun to read" isn't the same thing as them being good-no more than Trump would be a good president. They frequently did a poor job of establishing clear precedent or articulating a valid or complete legal position. Viewed as a body his jurisprudence was largely incoherent.
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In one hundred years he will return if you sacrifice a legal aide and pour the blood onto his corpse at the time of the Harvard/Yale football game.
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FAUXTON posted:1: As all hell I'm not sure how the title of this thread hasn't been changed to The Assassination of Antonin Scalia by the Coward Barack Obama yet
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blowfish posted:I think it's incredibly sad that the position of "guy did bad things, I must hate everything he does" has become so common, with people refusing to appreciate that their opponents exist in any form beyond their most outrageous terrible opinion and must be capital E Evil. Counterpoint - he was good for your first go-around in the justice system. (But very bad for appeals) Kyllo. Melendez v Mass Apprendi v. New Jersey Blakely v. Washington Kyllo (Thermal imaging of your house requires a warrant) is a big one, but I'd argue the other three are important as well. It's important that you're sentenced for the crime you were convicted of, not what you were originally charged with. In light of ongoing discoveries of lab chicanery Melendez-Diaz is a big deal. Harik fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Feb 17, 2016 |
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Nenonen posted:How dead is Scalia atm and has his deadness remained stable? Karl Rove is reporting that Scalia is fine and that it was just a bad case of indigestion after eating some spoiled applesauce.
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euphronius posted:Usually when people die you say nice things about them idk. That thing he did with the pillow is something I wish I could do, but I've been trained since a young age to only be able to sleep when my head is leaning upwards and to the side, because of a neck problem. I guess that's about it. Oh and he might have had good taste in smokes, being a smoker?
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evilmiera posted:I guess that's about it. Oh and he might have had good taste in smokes, being a smoker? He was a smoker, too? drat, he's lucky he survived that long.
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ayn rand hand job posted:Karl Rove is reporting that Scalia is fine and that it was just a bad case of indigestion after eating some spoiled applesauce. Salmon mousse.
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UberJew posted:I'm not sure how the title of this thread hasn't been changed to The Assassination of Antonin Scalia by the Coward Barack Obama yet 
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evilweasel posted:If you want to know why judicial elections are such a terrible idea, 95% of the US posters reading this who have voted have voted in a judicial election and I expect about 95% of those people didn't realize it or don't remember it. They almost certainly couldn't tell you who they voted for. Isn't this also an argument against e.g. elected county governments?
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PleasingFungus posted:Isn't this also an argument against e.g. elected county governments? Yes, but you can also argue that the point of democracy is to hamstring effective government and make it very difficult to get anything done, while also serving as a great effort-sink for those inclined towards governance, rather than to actually produce good governors. Not necessarily something you want or need with judges who have a rather more limited amount of power.
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