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qirex posted:isn't there a lego robot you can build for like $300 that can brute force pin codes not if there's a lockout
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doesn't the "lockout" actually wipe the encryption keys from the device?
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infernal machines posted:doesn't the "lockout" actually wipe the encryption keys from the device? yup
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iPhone 5se coming to wind mobile in canada 
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infernal machines posted:doesn't the "lockout" actually wipe the encryption keys from the device? iirc it also wipes it if you circumvent the hardware
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uncurable mlady posted:iirc it also wipes it if you circumvent the hardware error 53 is just a front for terrorism
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The Management posted:Apple doesn't want user data and designs their systems so that they don't have access to it. it this was a newer phone with a Secure Element what the fbi is asking for would have been impossible. ironically if this was a newer phone with secure element they could just use the guy's finger to unlock it
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Feb 18, 2016 07:02
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fyi this would work even for newer iphones with secure enclaves according to apple
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cremnob posted:fyi this would work even for newer iphones with secure enclaves according to apple Because Apple has the keys to nondestructively update the secure enclave Keep up, grandpa
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zen death robot posted:they're probably going to be forced to comply eventually Which is the right outcome
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PleasureKevin posted:iPhone 5se coming to wind mobile in canada No coincidence it comes just months after they unfucked the imessage and Facetime activation
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basically if apple loses this case then the all writs act can be used to conscript anyone at a tech company to change ur product to assist law enforcement https://lawfareblog.com/not-slippery-slope-jump-cliff
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this effectively makes encryption pointless which is actually pretty amazing as a legal maneuver
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Feb 18, 2016 07:42
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at least apple gets to extract the PR benefit from going down fighting
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zen death robot posted:they're probably going to be forced to comply eventually maybe, the effa bee eye's argument isn't watertight and if they lose on appeal they'll need congress for the legal authority i mean i too think it's likely but it may be years down the line
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I think it's really gay that tech nerds think they shouldn't be subject to the law IMO. Encryption is supposed to be about preventing random dickheads from stealing your info, not preventing the IRS from auditing you or whatever the gently caress people think they need it for
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Larry Parrish posted:I think it's really gay that tech nerds think they shouldn't be subject to the law IMO. Encryption is supposed to be about preventing random dickheads from stealing your info, not preventing the IRS from auditing you or whatever the gently caress people think they need it for ok how do i only let the irs audit me but not rando dickheads
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Larry Parrish posted:I think it's really gay that tech nerds think they shouldn't be subject to the law IMO. Encryption is supposed to be about preventing random dickheads from stealing your info, not preventing the IRS from auditing you or whatever the gently caress people think they need it for source yr quotes
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Feb 18, 2016 13:44
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they're just digging their heels in to set precedent for the inevitable Chinese backdoor requirement. if they give into the us then China gets a blank check
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KidVanguard posted:they're just digging their heels in to set precedent for the inevitable Chinese backdoor requirement. hm yes i do think apple and their ilk should get to be international gypsies with law unto themselves this sure is a thing i think ought to happen and not something that some idiot who wrote some fantasy novels 40 years ago that i've read religiously thinks is good to happen
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what, the wealthiest company in the world using its influence and power to at least momentarily give governments of the world the middle finger?
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no see its ok when our government does it
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cremnob posted:at least apple gets to extract the PR benefit from going down fighting glad to see you agree that tim is going to knuckle under and is trying to throw up a smokescreen to fool people into thinking he won't
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Larry Parrish posted:I think it's really gay that tech nerds think they shouldn't be subject to the law IMO. Encryption is supposed to be about preventing random dickheads from stealing your info, not preventing the IRS from auditing you or whatever the gently caress people think they need it for lmao
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lmao @ apple apologizing for error 53
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I hope apple beats the us govt
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triple sulk posted:lmao @ apple apologizing for error 53
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McAfee will break iPhone crypto for FBI in 3 weeks or eat shoe on live TVJohn-loving-McAfee posted:With all due respect to Tim Cook and Apple, I work with a team of the best hackers on the planet. These hackers attend Defcon in Las Vegas, and they are legends in their local hacking groups, such as HackMiami. They are all prodigies, with talents that defy normal human comprehension. About 75% are social engineers. The remainder are hardcore coders. I would eat my shoe on the Neil Cavuto show if we could not break the encryption on the San Bernardino phone. This is a pure and simple fact.
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how are they gonna crack the phone with a bunch of social engineers? especially when the phones former owner is dead
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Ludwig van Halen posted:how are they gonna crack the phone with a bunch of social engineers? hey apple boss? what's that private key to sign again? I lost it...
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Ludwig van Halen posted:how are they gonna crack the phone with a bunch of social engineers? they're going to try every permutation of his birthday until the phone wipes itself. then mcafee will appear on the neil cavuto show wearing shoes made of bath salts
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infernal machines posted:they're going to try every permutation of his birthday until the phone wipes itself. then mcafee will appear on the neil cavuto show wearing shoes made of bath salts brute forcing a simple passcode is trivial if you can come up with a way to restart the phone every 9 attempts
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uncurable mlady posted:brute forcing a simple passcode is trivial if you can come up with a way to restart the phone every 9 attempts it has an incrementing delay between attempts after the first four, which is part of what the fbi wants apple to patch our with a custom firmware
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evidently what they're asking for is a custom firmware tied specifically to that phone's imei that disables the passcode lockout/delay and allows passcode input through a "device" then they're just going to brute force it themselves http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/02/encryption-isnt-at-stake-the-fbi-knows-apple-already-has-the-desired-key/
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tl;dr: apple is full of poo poo with this "backdoor our encryption" crap
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infernal machines posted:evidently what they're asking for is a custom firmware tied specifically to that phone's imei that disables the passcode lockout/delay and allows passcode input through a "device" and I'm sure in no way will they try to dump or reverse engineer the custom version of iOS they receive on that device or just try to find the spot in ram that's storing that imei. you can really trust these guys I can sort of see why they want this. I can sort of see why people might think Apple should be obligated to provide it. I can't see any situation, whether Apple provide just the data or the device with a custom os, that this just won't end up in the same situation as in the snowden leaks with a secret court and a "friendly" judge that just stamps every single trivial request that the fbi makes for approval
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