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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Police Automaton posted:

I've got no idea how anyone can do extensive file operations with the standard windows explorer. It looks fancy but completely useless. I can just advise everyone to take a look at any dual-pane file manager. It's an old concept but it just makes so much sense.

I like FreeCommander as a replacement for Explorer and TeraCopy for doing large volume file transfers.

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itsgotmetoo
Oct 5, 2006

by zen death robot
i used to pirate games off of bbs servers

edit: i don't even know if server is correct here. bbs numbers? bbs systems?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

itsgotmetoo posted:

i used to pirate games off of bbs servers

edit: i don't even know if server is correct here. bbs numbers? bbs systems?

BBSs.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

itsgotmetoo posted:

bbs systems?

:gary::wrong: Fingeredtriggered so hard right now.

itsgotmetoo
Oct 5, 2006

by zen death robot
i see what i did, but idgaf

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

itsgotmetoo posted:

i see what i did, but idgaf

I'm gangsta, too.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

If this system had telnet or something I'd check to see if bbbs.net is still up (I'd wager it is) and what files are available there.

Cat Hassler
Feb 7, 2006

Slippery Tilde

Police Automaton posted:

The Batteries for the clock in these old systems usually isn't a non-rechargeable lithium coin cell like today (which is dry) but still a Nickel/Cadmium (or, less common and less toxic, nickel/metal hydride) rechargeable Battery. If they completely discharge (as they do in unused computers) They often start leaking and what they leak is toxic and pretty corrosive. You should open up the computer and see how bad the damage is, if there is any. In bad cases it can look like this:


(The blue "Varta"-labeled bin is the battery)


For example, it eats it way along the ICs legs (like of this NEC V20/8088 clone) until it eventually rots the bonding wires of the die or even the die itself. It also dissolves copper traces on the PCBs.


It's fixable though if caught early enough but takes quite a bit of work.

The batteries, if soldered, are easily removable without soldering by bending them back- and forth until they snap off. They do not need to be replaced necessarily usually. Such damage is often fixable but it's better not to let it go that far. Also wash hands throughly after contact with the battery gunk and dispose of the battery properly, that stuff is pretty bad for you. Ni/Cd Batteries are forbidden in most electronics in europe at least for good reason.

Thanks for the good info! It worked fine when I carried it all upstairs and turned it on a few years ago. My old Mac II SI wouldn't start up and that was the reason - battery leaked poo poo on the board and killed the circuitry I guess

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Keith Atherton posted:

Thanks for the good info! It worked fine when I carried it all upstairs and turned it on a few years ago. My old Mac II SI wouldn't start up and that was the reason - battery leaked poo poo on the board and killed the circuitry I guess

I hope for your sake it isnt as bad as the above photos. Soldering jumper leads to get past an eaten board sucks.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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stubblyhead posted:

speaking of the historical compression poo poo, what ever happened to arj?

ARJ has pissed me off as recently as 2010 because I was working for a government/military contractor that insisted on virus-scanning all attachments of the following file types: ...

Most file types are reasonably easy to identify by extension, but ARJ cleverly decided to use different extensions for every segment of a multi-segment archive: .AR0, .AR1, .AR2, .AR3 ...

It wasn't the only reason I had to implement other methods of file type detection, but it sure was one of the stupidest.


Also, on topic: remember filename extensions?

Oh wait ... :negative:

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?

Data Graham posted:

ARJ has pissed me off as recently as 2010 because I was working for a government/military contractor that insisted on virus-scanning all attachments of the following file types: ...

Most file types are reasonably easy to identify by extension, but ARJ cleverly decided to use different extensions for every segment of a multi-segment archive: .AR0, .AR1, .AR2, .AR3 ...

It wasn't the only reason I had to implement other methods of file type detection, but it sure was one of the stupidest.


Also, on topic: remember filename extensions?

Oh wait ... :negative:

RAR does the same thing though with the .R01, .R02 scheme so that's not all that unusual. Couldn't you configure file extension wildcards so *.ar* would work?

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Sure it was easy to do that, but I think I remember being mad that it was way too greedy and would catch all kinds of innocent file types (R?? would have been way worse though; fortunately the US gov't has never heard of RAR).

ColoradoCleric
Dec 26, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Police Automaton posted:

I've got no idea how anyone can do extensive file operations with the standard windows explorer. It looks fancy but completely useless. I can just advise everyone to take a look at any dual-pane file manager. It's an old concept but it just makes so much sense. Does Windows at least have Virtual Desktops/Screens hidden somewhere now or are you still limited to one like some caveman?

Well link us to something

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Police Automaton posted:

Does Windows at least have Virtual Desktops/Screens hidden somewhere now or are you still limited to one like some caveman?
Yeah, they were added in Windows 10.

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time
My reaction was "finally they added virtual desktops" and then I never actually used them.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
^^^
Same

ColoradoCleric posted:

Well link us to something

http://www.farmanager.com/screenshots.php?l=en

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I used the multiple desktops during the windows 10 RCs and then never used them when retail came out because I started using two monitors.

LethalGeek
Nov 4, 2009

I say if you feel the need for a virtual desktop then you simply aren't using enough screens :colbert:

SPACE HOMOS
Jan 12, 2005

My dad used to run a BBS when I was younger. I can't remember what software he was using, but later he tried to upgrade it to WorldGroup. We had 6 extra phone lines and sometimes he would connect his BBS to another BBS for a whopping 10 users online at once. My parents were separated so during the summers I slept on a fold out love seat in the BBS room. Later after he shut down his BBS that room had 4 PCs in it. He would invite coworkers over to play Q3 on the lan.

anatomi
Jan 31, 2015


A bit late too the Motocross Madness discussion...

At some point in the 90's the game was bundled with the Microsoft SideWinder FreeStyle Pro. That's how I got MM, which is the only redeeming quality of that POS controller. I'm sure some of you remember the controller fondly (weirdos), but I loving hated it. Besides generally lovely ergonomics and a horrible pad, the Pro featured lazily implemented gyroscopic sensors.

I know I sound whiny, so I dug up this impressionable fella to speak on the Pro's behalf:

quote:

Featuring a free motion sensor, a throttle and 10-function button (all full programmable!!), I feel that this is one game controller that will have a great impact on the gaming industry.
Truly astounding to me. But you gotta admire his/her persistance:

quote:

The Free motion sensor is extremely sensitive but getting use to it is extremely hard, it took me weeks before I could actually control Need For Speed III properly, but after much hard work it is defiantly worth the effort.
http://assets.hardwarezone.com/2009/reviews/others/FreeStyle/FreeStyle%20Pro.htm

LethalGeek
Nov 4, 2009

anatomi posted:


A bit late too the Motocross Madness discussion...

At some point in the 90's the game was bundled with the Microsoft SideWinder FreeStyle Pro. That's how I got MM, which is the only redeeming quality of that POS controller. I'm sure some of you remember the controller fondly (weirdos), but I loving hated it. Besides generally lovely ergonomics and a horrible pad, the Pro featured lazily implemented gyroscopic sensors.

I know I sound whiny, so I dug up this impressionable fella to speak on the Pro's behalf:

Truly astounding to me. But you gotta admire his/her persistance:

http://assets.hardwarezone.com/2009/reviews/others/FreeStyle/FreeStyle%20Pro.htm
I played tie fighter & decent just fine with that sucker sorry about your scrub dexterity

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

this was king

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Last Chance posted:

this was king



"ACTUAL SIZE"

Police Automaton
Mar 17, 2009
"You are standing in a thread. Someone has made an insightful post."
LOOK AT insightful post
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HATE post
"I don't understand"
SHIT ON post
"You shit on the post. Why."

Data Graham posted:

Also, on topic: remember filename extensions?

Oh wait ... :negative:

I liked the way how Directory Opus (from now on called DOpus) on the Amiga already handled identifying files by things like byte patterns at the beginning of the file, not some file extension. That was still at a time when the PC still had mostly MS-DOS and those very terrible naming limitations. The Amiga Workbench (which is a bit like the Windows Explorer) had the .info files, which basically told the OS on a by-case basis what to do with a file and would also carry things like program parameters for executables, so Metadata, basically. (A bit like a shortcut in windows I guess) That was kind of a mess.

A cool concept was the whole datatypes thing on the Amiga though. The datatypes sytem worked basically in a way that programs didn't need to individually know how to handle filetypes, but basically used external libraries for that purpose which you could install. So you'd just copy the .jpg-library to your system folder and then all your graphics programs would know how to open .jpgs without having being programmed for that functionality. Doesn't sound like a huge plus nowadays but back then it was as filetypes were still pretty much in flux. Sadly wasn't really used by lots of programs.

ColoradoCleric posted:

Well link us to something

For Windows? No idea. I used Windows- and then Total Commander many, many years ago but I've got no idea if that even is still updated. I've googled since I last talked about it in this thread and Directory Opus for Windows is a thing and is even made by the original Amiga developers. People say good things about it. Never tried it.

For Linux I use Worker which is a spiritual successor of DOpus. The interface looks convoluted and horrifically outdated but you can make it look nicer. It's all about customization and it will grow on you. It's still actively developed and can even do the file identification thing the original did (or use libmagic) so no reliance on extensions. Worker makes the most sense if you use external lightweight applications to actually handle the files but really needs to be customized to get it "just right". Then there is mc etc... most people knowing the OS know those.

BgRdMchne
Oct 31, 2011

LethalGeek posted:

I played tie fighter & decent just fine with that sucker sorry about your scrub dexterity

It was all about this:



Thing weighed about 5 pounds and you could beat the hell out of it going from a tight left roll to a tight right roll. It lasted about 15 years before it got really loose.

e: also had a throttle wheel and trim wheels.

Police Automaton
Mar 17, 2009
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HATE post
"I don't understand"
SHIT ON post
"You shit on the post. Why."
The Microsoft Sidewinder was cool, I think the first force feedback joystick? It came with a power brick. Felt very solid.

Many years later I bought A Saitek X52 Pro because I was into Flightsimming and X for a bit but couldn't believe how flimsy and badly built that thing was, especially for the price.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Police Automaton posted:

I liked the way how Directory Opus (from now on called DOpus) on the Amiga already handled identifying files by things like byte patterns at the beginning of the file, not some file extension. That was still at a time when the PC still had mostly MS-DOS and those very terrible naming limitations. The Amiga Workbench (which is a bit like the Windows Explorer) had the .info files, which basically told the OS on a by-case basis what to do with a file and would also carry things like program parameters for executables, so Metadata, basically. (A bit like a shortcut in windows I guess) That was kind of a mess.

A cool concept was the whole datatypes thing on the Amiga though. The datatypes sytem worked basically in a way that programs didn't need to individually know how to handle filetypes, but basically used external libraries for that purpose which you could install. So you'd just copy the .jpg-library to your system folder and then all your graphics programs would know how to open .jpgs without having being programmed for that functionality. Doesn't sound like a huge plus nowadays but back then it was as filetypes were still pretty much in flux. Sadly wasn't really used by lots of programs.

Classic MacOS worked a lot like this, what with resource forks and the Type/Creator Codes. That poo poo was pretty dope conceptually.

I raged for a long time when Mac files became flattened with the move to OS X, but as a practical matter the modern handling of extensions for type identification (which can be hidden on a per-file basis), and tracking the opener of a file/file type rather than the creator, is actually a lot more useful, if ugly.

It was still fun to tinker under the hood and use those four-letter codes like MooV and GIFf and MSWD and 8BIM

http://revolution.byu.edu/helps/file-creatorcodes.php

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?

Data Graham posted:

Classic MacOS worked a lot like this, what with resource forks and the Type/Creator Codes. That poo poo was pretty dope conceptually.

I raged for a long time when Mac files became flattened with the move to OS X, but as a practical matter the modern handling of extensions for type identification (which can be hidden on a per-file basis), and tracking the opener of a file/file type rather than the creator, is actually a lot more useful, if ugly.

It was still fun to tinker under the hood and use those four-letter codes like MooV and GIFf and MSWD and 8BIM

http://revolution.byu.edu/helps/file-creatorcodes.php

That reminds me of using resedit to change all of the counting fingers mouse pointers in the middle school computer lab Mac Pluses to a static image of a middle finger.

Dicty Bojangles
Apr 14, 2001

Data Graham posted:

Classic MacOS worked a lot like this, what with resource forks and the Type/Creator Codes. That poo poo was pretty dope conceptually.

I learned about this the hard way once upon a time by trying to back up all of my sister's college essays from her PowerBook she was getting rid of by copying them directly to an external FAT drive and then to a PC thinking that was that, project completed time to format the Mac. Of course, little did I know until several years after the originals had all been erased that all of the resource forks and codes were stripped in the copying, so now all I had left was a pile of useless files that couldn't be opened anymore.

One of those debts I'll never be able to repay with anything other than the coin of regret.

mcbexx
Jul 4, 2004

British dentistry is
not on trial here!



theultimo posted:

My fav was winace

:allears: I didn't want to bring it up, but we made that...
Well, I used to work there.

DC to Daylight
Feb 13, 2012

Police Automaton posted:

The Microsoft Sidewinder was cool, I think the first force feedback joystick? It came with a power brick. Felt very solid.

Many years later I bought A Saitek X52 Pro because I was into Flightsimming and X for a bit but couldn't believe how flimsy and badly built that thing was, especially for the price.

This is one of those bits of privileged info I probably shouldn't share, but its a decade plus out of date. I had an acquaintance who did some consulting for a company called Exos. Their goal was to make powered exoskeletons for search and rescue, mining, warehouse operations, etc. They had a bunch of patents on force feedback technology, etc. The ideas were ahead of their time and way too expensive to be practical. They were bought out by Microsoft and some of the patents/tech were used for the Sidewinder joystick. The upside? I got a free Sidewinder joystick and the equivalent force-feedback steering wheel. Great fun for Monster Truck Madness. "Grave Digger is in the drink!"

Edit: Fixed a typo.

Houle
Oct 21, 2010


3D Pinball. I remember playing it quite a lot back when I had XP.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

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Houle posted:



3D Pinball. I remember playing it quite a lot back when I had XP.

Removing this from subsequent Windows versions was a travesty.

stubblyhead
Sep 13, 2007

That is treason, Johnny!

Fun Shoe
:agreed: it was a good game.

Chief McHeath
Apr 23, 2002

Mak0rz posted:

Removing this from subsequent Windows versions was a travesty.

I just installed this like seven or eight days ago: http://www.groovypost.com/howto/windows-7-3d-pinball-space-cadet-game/

Samuel L. ACKSYN
Feb 29, 2008


that space cadet game was actually part of Full Tilt Pinball

its actually higher resolution than the windows one but the same game


idk if it runs on win7-10 but hth.

laserghost
Feb 12, 2014

trust me, I'm a cat.

Last Chance posted:

this was king



The buttons and shape is good but the dpad is bad.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Mak0rz posted:

Removing this from subsequent Windows versions was a travesty.
The Windows devs wanted to keep it, but it broke horribly when they recompiled it for the transition to 64-bit (which didn't run 16-bit apps) and they didn't have the time to comb through all that old third party source code when there were more pressing issues at hand :(

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Samuel L. ACKSYN posted:

that space cadet game was actually part of Full Tilt Pinball

its actually higher resolution than the windows one but the same game


idk if it runs on win7-10 but hth.

The Space Cadet table was also on the Games for Windows 95 CD-ROM. And as you can see from below, the backboard was nicer and had wicked music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPLOG3nS3Q8

EDIT: drat, after watching that video I want it again. I loved playing it when slacking off at work. So went and looked for it for win7 and above.

Here you go.

http://www.groovypost.com/howto/windows-7-3d-pinball-space-cadet-game/

Confirmed working.

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The Kins
Oct 2, 2004
This Shitposter is NEVER OBSOLETE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pndX0YNA70s

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