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natetimm posted:Has anybody with one of those inanimate object gimmicks ever really reached the pinnacle? Al Snow, Saturn, Chavo, etc. Macho Man did pretty well despite Miss Elizabeth
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ayn rand hand job posted:Al Snow was a real live human being though. We swear. Did he talk to the urn? I don't remember him doing that, but it was a long time ago. Having a prop is one thing, but talking to it like it's a person is another.
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natetimm posted:Did he talk to the urn? I don't remember him doing that, but it was a long time ago. Having a prop is one thing, but talking to it like it's a person is another. You said inanimate object. 
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but we know the real champion of the inanimate object gimmicks
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ayn rand hand job posted:You said inanimate object. Yeah, I know, I should have been clearer. Almost every wrestler is some kind of prop gimmick if you look hard enough, it just seems the "guy talks to inanimate object" gimmick seems to be a real career killer.
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The gookers Latino heat?
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The Stone Cold podcast with Big Show got me thinking about Steve Austin's personality back in his prime. What was his reputation backstage? He seems to have mellowed out now, but the backstage stories Austin and others have told make it seem as if his personality and behavior was a lot closer to Stone Cold than current Austin. What did his peers think of him? Was he considered hard to work with?
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ThePariah posted:The Stone Cold podcast with Big Show got me thinking about Steve Austin's personality back in his prime. What was his reputation backstage? He seems to have mellowed out now, but the backstage stories Austin and others have told make it seem as if his personality and behavior was a lot closer to Stone Cold than current Austin. What did his peers think of him? Was he considered hard to work with? Seems like he was fairly driven, but no more of an rear end in a top hat than anyone else in wrestling had to be to survive that political environment. Jeff Jarrett and Billy Gunn might tell you differently though. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDirtsheets/comments/3qs0xg/austin_vetoes_matches_against_jeff_jarrett_billy/
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natetimm posted:Yeah, I know, I should have been clearer. Almost every wrestler is some kind of prop gimmick if you look hard enough, it just seems the "guy talks to inanimate object" gimmick seems to be a real career killer. I think Kane maybe talked to his mask a few times? Not sure if that's actually the case though
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Austin is a great American hero for keeping Jeff Jarrett in places he can be quietly forgotten. Let us not speak of him again. The highest profile inanimate object gimmick was when WCW made Scott Hall into "drunk man carrying a cattle prod."
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ThePariah posted:The Stone Cold podcast with Big Show got me thinking about Steve Austin's personality back in his prime. What was his reputation backstage? He seems to have mellowed out now, but the backstage stories Austin and others have told make it seem as if his personality and behavior was a lot closer to Stone Cold than current Austin. What did his peers think of him? Was he considered hard to work with? Apparently Austin could be paranoid and protective of his spot, like a lot of dudes at the time. I can't think of much to back this up though, I just remembering hearing the dudes on the AE podcast talk about it a while ago. Maybe someone else can confirm/deny
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I'm not a defender of Shawn Michaels, but I wonder if some of his bad attitude was due to coming up in an era where guys like Hogan protected themselves by saying small guys weren't credible stars. Had I been in his position I wouldn't have wanted to job or let Vader stiff the poo poo out of me either.
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Smoking Crow posted:Jeff Jarrett is awesome, nerds No.
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Smoking Crow posted:Jeff Jarrett is awesome, nerds choke on this, slap nuts
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Smoking Crow posted:Jeff Jarrett is awesome, nerds This has not been the case the vast majority of the time
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Remember when Jeff Jarrett had Col. Robert Parker, Mideon, and that other dude in a stable designed to convince you he was good?
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Did Southern Justice not replace Tennessee Lee? Didn't think there was an overlap.
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I'm pretty sure there was at least some time in 1997 they were all four together. I'm basing this mostly on remembering episodes of the AE Podcast from a couple years ago though.
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Having seen how ineptly the WWE handled their talent after the Attitude era, I find it likely that the creative control held by certain high-profile wrestlers during that time probably contributed to making the product better.
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natetimm posted:Having seen how ineptly the WWE handled their talent after the Attitude era, I find it likely that the creative control held by certain high-profile wrestlers during that time probably contributed to making the product better. I wonder what would happen if Roman pitched a fit over losing like Shawn used to do. Would Vince make an example out of him because he has no competition, or would he go along with it because he loves Roman so dang much
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Is "[Wrestlers] get brutally honest in a series of sit-down interviews" the official name for that feature on WWE's website? They use that wording with autistic consistency.
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magnum_valentino posted:Is "[Wrestlers] get brutally honest in a series of sit-down interviews" the official name for that feature on WWE's website? They use that wording with autistic consistency. They know their audience.
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magnum_valentino posted:Is "[Wrestlers] get brutally honest in a series of sit-down interviews" the official name for that feature on WWE's website? They use that wording with autistic consistency. They know that shoot interviews are all the rage but don't want to actually say "shoot interview."
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magnum_valentino posted:Did Southern Justice not replace Tennessee Lee? Didn't think there was an overlap. Certainly is.... Tennessee Lee is still around with JJ after KOTR 98 which is where I first noticed Southern Justice accompanying him to the ring.
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triplexpac posted:Apparently Austin could be paranoid and protective of his spot, like a lot of dudes at the time. I can't think of much to back this up though, I just remembering hearing the dudes on the AE podcast talk about it a while ago. Maybe someone else can confirm/deny I just listened to the AE podcast on the subject and yeah, it sounded like Austin had a fair degree of insecurity concerning his place on the roster. He was not above throwing around his clout and refusing to work with certain individuals. But usually it was justifiable. He didn't want to work with Hogan because Hogan was instrumental in his marginalization and eventual ejection from WCW. If not for Hogan, I doubt he would have lost to Duggan in 30 seconds. He didn't want to work with Hall because of Hall's substance abuse issues combined with his usage of a dangerous finisher that would greatly imperil Austin's neck. He didn't want to work with Owen because Owen broke his drat neck doing a spot Austin didn't want to do. He didn't want to work with Jarrett because ???. Really this is the only weird one that I'm aware of. Not that I'm not grateful mind you. Russo thought way too highly of Jeff.
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Jarrett/Austin is the famed story where Austin worked for jarretts dad and got a small paycheck and was looking at it and Jeff who was the promotors son and main eventer and who got the big bucks walked by and said "it ain't gonna get any bigger by looking at it" and strutted away talking about how great he was
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He apparently refused to drop the belt to Hunter at Summerslam 99, hence Foley winning in a triple threat match, and then losing to Hunter the next night on Raw
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I always liked the rumor that Austin didn't want to work with Jarrett because Jarrett didn't hit the ropes hard enough.
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oldpainless posted:Jarrett/Austin is the famed story where Austin worked for jarretts dad and got a small paycheck and was looking at it and Jeff who was the promotors son and main eventer and who got the big bucks walked by and said "it ain't gonna get any bigger by looking at it" and strutted away talking about how great he was goddamn double j is the greatest
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St Evan Echoes posted:He apparently refused to drop the belt to Hunter at Summerslam 99, hence Foley winning in a triple threat match, and then losing to Hunter the next night on Raw Thought his logic of that one was Ventura, then Gov. of Minnesota, was the guest referee and it'd look bad if he had to count the fall for a heel, so let Foley win to prevent a PR disaster and do the change the next night?
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oldpainless posted:Jarrett/Austin is the famed story where Austin worked for jarretts dad and got a small paycheck and was looking at it and Jeff who was the promotors son and main eventer and who got the big bucks walked by and said "it ain't gonna get any bigger by looking at it" and strutted away talking about how great he was How could you not like Double J Heff Harrett.
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oldpainless posted:Jarrett/Austin is the famed story where Austin worked for jarretts dad and got a small paycheck and was looking at it and Jeff who was the promotors son and main eventer and who got the big bucks walked by and said "it ain't gonna get any bigger by looking at it" and strutted away talking about how great he was Jeff Jarrett is my hero
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C. Everett Koop posted:Thought his logic of that one was Ventura, then Gov. of Minnesota, was the guest referee and it'd look bad if he had to count the fall for a heel, so let Foley win to prevent a PR disaster and do the change the next night? If that was the logic, and that's all there was to it, then why involve Foley at all? It would have been way less convoluted just to have Austin retain at Summerslam and have HHH beat Austin on Raw.
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ChrisBTY posted:If that was the logic, and that's all there was to it, then why involve Foley at all? It would have been way less convoluted just to have Austin retain at Summerslam and have HHH beat Austin on Raw. Because they didn't want to beat the next big heel headliner right before his title reign began.
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triplexpac posted:I wonder what would happen if Roman pitched a fit over losing like Shawn used to do. Would Vince make an example out of him because he has no competition, or would he go along with it because he loves Roman so dang much One of the recurring themes in a lot of the wrestler biographies and autobiographies I read on why the product is worse today is the lack of control individual wrestlers have over their characters. Giving more booking control obviously has its flaws as anyone can tell you, but taking chances on the creativity of your own workers seems to have a much lower down side. The New Day is a pretty good example of this, I think. I hope it leads to more "creative control" in the hands of performers that isn't just petulantly refusing to lose to people because of backstage politics and personal issues.
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