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infernal machines posted:it has an incrementing delay between attempts after the first four, which is part of what the fbi wants apple to patch our with a custom firmware how big does the delay get? how long until the delay resets?
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arse technical posted:The first is that the iPhone imposes delays between PIN attempts. While the first four attempts can be entered back-to-back, the iPhone will force you to wait one minute before the fifth attempt, five minutes before the sixth, 15 minutes before the seventh and eighth, and a full hour before the ninth.
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Feb 19, 2016 05:01
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lol if u think this is about anything technical. this is purely about the law and avoiding a precedent
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uncurable mlady posted:how big does the delay get? how long until the delay resets? 8 or 9 hours is the longest delay iirc and I'm not sure what you mean by reset. when you get a 9 hour delay its 9 hours every time as I understand it, at least with the models with a secure enclave. not sure if it still applies to the 5c
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a guy came into the store once and it was locked for the next 500 hours that's my apple encryption story thanks for reading
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shitface posted:8 or 9 hours is the longest delay iirc and I'm not sure what you mean by reset. when you get a 9 hour delay its 9 hours every time as I understand it, at least with the models with a secure enclave. not sure if it still applies to the 5c I've never hosed up that many times on pin entry, so idk. I remember with blackberries you could reboot the phone when you were on your 9th password attempt and it would give you a new set. does the apple delay not go away ever until you wipe?
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uncurable mlady posted:I've never hosed up that many times on pin entry, so idk. I remember with blackberries you could reboot the phone when you were on your 9th password attempt and it would give you a new set. does the apple delay not go away ever until you wipe? correct, it still keeps track
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uncurable mlady posted:I've never hosed up that many times on pin entry, so idk. I remember with blackberries you could reboot the phone when you were on your 9th password attempt and it would give you a new set. does the apple delay not go away ever until you wipe? as I understand it, and I may be wrong, anything without the secure enclave, 5/5c and below, will forget after reboot. se is persistent
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shitface posted:as I understand it, and I may be wrong, anything without the secure enclave, 5/5c and below, will forget after reboot. se is persistent let's say you're right, and the 5c forgets on reboot then the fbi can try 4 pins, reset phone, repeat if that takes them 2 minutes per cycle, a 4 digit pin would take something like 82 hours at worst? and they've had this 5c for more than 4 days? lol
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MayorOfFrance posted:let's say you're right, and the 5c forgets on reboot protip: this case is not about this phone, or even iphones, or even phones or devices in general. lube up if timb loses this because Google and Microsoft are already bent over and willing
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shitface posted:protip: this case is not about this phone, or even iphones, or even phones or devices in general. lube up if timb loses this because Google and Microsoft are already bent over and willing yeah i get that the end-game is to stomp their feet until they pile up enough garbage rulings from friendly judges to create, in paper, a golem shaped like the clipper chips they begged santa for in 199X but never got
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but its super lol that they've weaponized their abject incompetence as part of said strategy
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MayorOfFrance posted:let's say you're right, and the 5c forgets on reboot restarting an iphone 4 doesn't reset the passcode timer...
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shitface posted:as I understand it, and I may be wrong, anything without the secure enclave, 5/5c and below, will forget after reboot. se is persistent no, they remember but instead of the secure enclave remembering, the attempt count is being stored in flash. in older versions of iOS, it was possible to try a pin, see if it was valid, and then cut power before the data recording the attempt actually got written to flash. I believe it was fixed, though
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DuckConference posted:no, they remember yeah, there were machines that you could wire in to the iPhone in place of the battery, they would tap in a PIN and watch the screen for a failure message and then immediately cut power before the phone increments the failure counter. iOS 8.something reversed the counter incrementing and the error message display
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don't forget that both the FBI and the NSA keep various zero days around for every device imaginable specifically for this purpose. if the US gov legitimately wanted into that phone then they would be able to get in. this is purely a move by the FBI to expand their powers while side stepping congress.
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They don't have to go through Congress because they're a federal agency, not a Congressional committee.
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they are using all writs to get around the fact that there has purposefully been no legal rulings on encryption
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Feb 19, 2016 11:42
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zen death robot posted:On one hand I kinda want to see them hack into the phone, because hell why not and on the other hand I really want to see a man eat a shoe on tv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ymyiRXCszc
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Stux posted:they are using all writs to get around the fact that there has purposefully been no legal rulings on encryption there's no such thing as purposeful omission in law
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Ludwig van Halen posted:there's no such thing as purposeful omission in law theres no such thing as an acceptable erosion of civil liberties.
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Ludwig van Halen posted:there's no such thing as purposeful omission in law
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all previous precedent and existing laws point to the feds having this power over apple. the lack of explicit law one way or another is irrelevant.
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can we assume stux is a sovereign citizen
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so my workhorse 2011 17" MBP has decided to die, again video issue. Every time it switches to the discrete video card it panics and reboots supposedly has somethig to do with the use of lead-free solder. Ove time some of the chip <-> board joints fail, et voila note the use of the word again. last time this happened was in 2013 while I was working a shoot in POrtugal needed it up right away. cost me like 450 euro to get the fkin mobo changed was getting ready to ship it off to 3rd-party repair when I noticed APple has a repair extension on these machines for the same reason called Applecare, described the situation. Yup sounds like its a covered issue, we will fix BUT no Apple store here and none that you can mail it to. Sorree! luckily my bro just happened to be flying up to the states for a couple of days gave him the machine, directed him to run it into an Apple store ... got a call from the store tech "the macbook passes the video test and isn't covered" What apparently the affected machines have to fail a very particular test otherwise applecare will not cover the repair. Your video card is fail but it passes the test so I will have to charge you. $700 flat rate to change the motherboard gently caress That And gently caress You machine is currently on its way to a 3rd-party repair shop that says they can fix the video issue permanently for $170 bucks time will tell
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next time buy a real computer like a surface pro or xps
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theultimo posted:can we assume stux is a sovereign citizen obviously not
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Shaggar posted:next time buy a real computer like a surface pro why woiuld you say such a terrible thing?
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buttcrackmenace posted:so my workhorse 2011 17" MBP has decided to die, again *queue set of incredibly specific edge cases only this specific model of mbp satisfies*
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qirex posted:maybe it's time to stop dumping money into a five year old laptop? express card
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theultimo posted:express card lol
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theultimo posted:express card http://www.sonnettech.com/product/echoexpresscard34thunderbolt.html
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sovereign citizen is exactly it, it's the logical endpoint of technolibertarianism "encryption grants me immunity from joinder" reminder quote:
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reminder that technolibertarians explicitly want to be stateless beings with global influence because of digital sorcery THAT IS ACTUALLY THE STATED ENDGAME
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http://youtu.be/U7S8XzvNJs8 but actually believe it
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qirex posted:maybe it's time to stop dumping money into a five year old laptop? field-editing and curating video on a 13" MBP sucks innit
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conflating concerns over basic privacy from the government and others with being a sov cit is a really hyperbolic stance to take imo
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Stux posted:conflating concerns over basic privacy from the government and others with being a sov cit is a really hyperbolic stance to take imo and yet you live in the uk, which is the biggest nanny state in the world
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theultimo posted:and yet you live in the uk, which is the biggest nanny state in the world yeah its a pretty poo poo country what do you want here
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