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I agree with the guy who says if you can't afford to live in Vancouver you shouldn't live in Vancouver. People are just whining because they really, really want to live in Vancouver, like it's some kind of unquestioned right. I think it's stupid that the government doesn't want to do anything about housing affordability, since it will be a net negative to the city and province when people can't afford to live in Vancouver, but that doesn't mean that they are obligated to do so.
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Who, in your mind, can afford to live in Vancouver, and what does affordability mean here?
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Feb 18, 2016 23:58
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JawKnee posted:Who, in your mind, can afford to live in Vancouver, and what does affordability mean here? Are either of those questions even slightly relevant? I don't care if anyone can or cannot afford to live in Vancouver, because I don't think living in Vancouver (or any other specific place) is your unquestioned right. In my mind, you have a right to safe and secure housing; that doesn't mean it has to be exactly where you want it to be. People have a right to not go hungry, too, but that doesn't mean we have to make sure everyone can afford ribeye steaks either. Ultimately, a city where housing is unaffordable is going to turn into an unliveable shithole even for those who can afford it, mind you, so the city and province should absolutely address housing affordability out of their own self interest.
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Feb 19, 2016 00:02
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JawKnee posted:Who, in your mind, can afford to live in Vancouver, and what does affordability mean here? you could start by graduating university with a degree in something that isn't completely worthless and working for a few years.
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Feb 19, 2016 00:05
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Their self interest unfortunately is to keep housing prices high so that baby boomers can enjoy a cushy retirement.
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Feb 19, 2016 00:10
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ZShakespeare posted:you could start by graduating university with a degree in something that isn't completely worthless and working for a few years. And what, pray tell, might that be? Should we continue funneling everyone into STEM until even that bastion has been driven to starvation wages from talent saturation? 
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Feb 19, 2016 00:16
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not philosophy that's for sure.
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Feb 19, 2016 00:18
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THC posted:Their self interest unfortunately is to keep housing prices high so that baby boomers can enjoy a cushy retirement. How are they going to enjoy their cushy retirement when affordability issues drive out everyone who isn't already rich as gently caress? Who's going to make their coffees, cook their meals and clean their condos?
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Feb 19, 2016 00:24
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ZShakespeare posted:you could start by graduating university with a degree in something that isn't completely worthless and working for a few years. this doesn't begin to answer the question but it does confirm you're a dickhead so there's that I suppose
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Feb 19, 2016 00:29
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Rime posted:And what, pray tell, might that be? Should we continue funneling everyone into STEM until even that bastion has been driven to starvation wages from talent saturation? I'm all for this, as STEM people have a greater chance of creating things that will hasten creative destruction and bring about the end of capitalism. Also STEM people are interesting to talk to.
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Feb 19, 2016 00:36
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Rime posted:And what, pray tell, might that be? Should we continue funneling everyone into STEM until even that bastion has been driven to starvation wages from talent saturation? Shut your face, the future is in Sociology, Theology, English and Music.
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Feb 19, 2016 00:41
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Whatever, even with a 100k CAD STEM job you still aren't ever going to be able to afford a detached house in Vancouver without some sort of massive collapse of property values. Maybe you can pay off a 3 bedroom townhouse in the distant suburbs over 15 years but that's hardly something to be smug about. Vancouver is fundamentally broken, and the city, province, and country have sold out basically everyone who grew up there in the past 30-40 years or so, and at a seemingly-accelerating rate. It may be a minority opinion in this thread, but I love Vancouver. I got a great education, almost completely on the Canadian taxpayer, and I'm tremendously grateful for the opportunities that has afforded me. But as long as my earning potential in the US is 3x what it is in Vancouver and detached houses on the west side cost 3M, I'm not coming back. And it's not just people in tech, it's other people my age in law, management consulting, academia, medicine, etc. As I mentioned in a previous post, almost all of the smartest people I knew from high school, undegrad, and grad school are no longer living in Canada -- and if they are, they've moved to Toronto. The costs of this are going to be very substantial over the next couple of decades.
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Feb 19, 2016 00:42
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The problem with the "if you can't afford it then move" logic is that it assumes 1) people have total flexibility in movement and 2) the equivalent employment opportunities exist everywhere. For example Hope is not going to develop a thriving advertising company ecosystem any time soon. If you work in advertising and are in BC you are going to be in Vancouver. I understand the notion that no one is entitled to live in Vancouver, but that doesn't work with the reality that entire industries that we supposedly want to encourage the development of, and educate people in, are based in Vancouver. Recall this isn't a City of Vancouver issue. The entire region is extraordinarily expensive. The situation in Vancouver is such that a person can have an excellent, in demand resume and be at a company with great employees that creates great products and they'll still be in a weak economic position compared to if they lived almost anywhere else. It gets worse if they're starting a family. In absolute terms many professionals can afford to live in Vancouver (but not buy a house) but in comparison to other areas it really doesn't make much sense to base a career or life there. It would be a troubling long term trend for the region if people start to give up on the city and drift away to other places. It will become harder and harder to sustain industries with a lack of talent.
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Feb 19, 2016 01:29
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ZShakespeare posted:you could start by graduating university with a degree in something that isn't completely worthless and working for a few years. i make $160k a year and i rent because what i can afford in vancouver is basically unliveable. thanks for your input
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Speaking of Vancouver: "While the budget delivered Tuesday by Finance Minister Mike de Jong did not lay out a plan to cap or limit existing tax credits, it did note that with a weak Canadian dollar there is fiscal pressure on the provincial coffers. This year, the province expects about $500 million in film and television tax credits. In previous years, the subsidy cost the government between $150 and $350 million. - See more at: http://www.timescolonist.com/business/film-credit-tinkering-worry-for-local-sector-1.2176788#sthash.VglfryWc.dpuf" $500 million. The BC government is spending half a billion dollars subsidizing the American entertainment industry. But the local industry still complains that they're "fledgling". Ha. They don't even pretend they're shooting in BC for locations anymore. It's only to do with what gives them the most free money.
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Feb 19, 2016 02:04
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The sentiment is correct though - Vancouver is undergoing further deindustrialisation and decommercalization. B.C. needs the companies in the Vancouver city center to move out and set up shop elsewhere in the province to diversify the rest of the province and provide more land for Vancouver to sell to the Chinese.
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Feb 19, 2016 02:15
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Ccs posted:Speaking of Vancouver: This is pretty much the main reason why lots of SyFy channel shows do production in Canada.
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Feb 19, 2016 02:29
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Myriarch posted:The sentiment is correct though - Vancouver is undergoing further deindustrialisation and decommercalization. B.C. needs the companies in the Vancouver city center to move out and set up shop elsewhere in the province to diversify the rest of the province and provide more land for Vancouver to sell to the Chinese. I know you're being sarcastic, but good luck moving the Port of Vancouver, Deltaport and all the cargo cranes on the Fraser somewhere else. Do you know how much industry and what kind of workforce you need just to support a port? That *can't* move because the ships can't sail inland and they're going to run into a situation where the longshoremen won't service the port because none are willing to drive 2+hrs each way from the burbs just to get to work. The longshoremen *will* gently caress their poo poo up.
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Feb 19, 2016 02:36
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Femtosecond posted:The situation in Vancouver is such that a person can have an excellent, in demand resume and be at a company with great employees that creates great products and they'll still be in a weak economic position compared to if they lived almost anywhere else. It gets worse if they're starting a family. In absolute terms many professionals can afford to live in Vancouver (but not buy a house) but in comparison to other areas it really doesn't make much sense to base a career or life there. It would be a troubling long term trend for the region if people start to give up on the city and drift away to other places. It will become harder and harder to sustain industries with a lack of talent. I hear Toronto is very nice.
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Feb 19, 2016 02:59
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PT6A posted:How are they going to enjoy their cushy retirement when affordability issues drive out everyone who isn't already rich as gently caress? Who's going to make their coffees, cook their meals and clean their condos?
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Feb 19, 2016 03:38
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lol look at this scrub who think Seattle and la aren't bigger more important ports
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With news that four of the downtown Bentall towers have been sold to a Chinese investment firm. Does anyone have the over-under on whether the new buyer is going to be surprised in two months when they cannot get approval from the city to tear them down for condos?
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Feb 19, 2016 03:39
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It was bought by a state owned insurance company. It's probably the most legit re transaction conducted by mainlanders in the last 5 years.
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Feb 19, 2016 03:44
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Cultural Imperial posted:lol look at this scrub who think Seattle and la aren't bigger more important ports Not to Canada they aren't.
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Feb 19, 2016 03:51
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At the moment the BCLiberal government is bragging about how great and diverse the BC economy is, meanwhile telling everyone who can't afford Vancouver to leave. How diverse is the economy going to be when the only industry left is selling super cars?
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Feb 19, 2016 03:52
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An entire city of speculative real estate owned by all different kinds of people, from rich Chinese to rich Europeans to rich Americans and beyond. There's lots of diversity.
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Feb 19, 2016 04:04
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Yesterday I read a story about puppy mills, and how to avoid them, and one of the things was don't buy dogs from people who want to meet you some random place. Today I'm 99% sure I saw exactly that go down. A man sold a labrador puppy to two women out the back of his minivan just on the side of Homer street. There were like 3 other crated labs in the minivan. So there's that I guess. And high-end retail. And healthcare.
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Feb 19, 2016 04:05
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etalian posted:This is pretty much the main reason why lots of SyFy channel shows do production in Canada. It pisses me off that if you go hiking in the Capilano watershed or climb the east lion you get jail time, but they let a loving production company build a clear-cut set in there and piss in the reservoir. 
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Feb 19, 2016 05:29
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Femtosecond posted:The problem with the "if you can't afford it then move" logic is that it assumes 1) people have total flexibility in movement and 2) the equivalent employment opportunities exist everywhere. Well, that's my point. The people should stop whining, because they can move. The city should be on this issue like stink on an ape's rear end, because they can't move. They will kill the industries that help Vancouver survive, if they can't get housing prices under control. Eventually, you'll run out of retards willing to put up with that economic predicament.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-cities-must-cut-red-tape-for-affordable-housing-funds-minister/article28809676/quote:B.C. cities must cut red tape for affordable-housing funds: minister Housing in BC is unaffordable because of RED TAPE. - Head BC Liberal Party Fundraiser Bob Rennie 
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They have earmarked 7 million dollars for maintenence of 1800 buildings, not to be out done by TCHC they wish to challenge the most expensive backlog crown
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Feb 19, 2016 06:10
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PT6A posted:Well, that's my point. The people should stop whining, because they can move. The city should be on this issue like stink on an ape's rear end, because they can't move. They will kill the industries that help Vancouver survive, if they can't get housing prices under control. Eventually, you'll run out of retards willing to put up with that economic predicament. Yeah but again not all economic opportunities exist everywhere and movement flexibility is overstated. There are niche industries that are strong in limited areas. Take apparel for example. Vancouver is actually a pretty great town for it and "Move to Toronto/Montreal" is not necessarily as great of a solution here. Locals are probably applying to Nike and hoping they win the immigration lottery. You can see how people could be stuck in Vancouver longer than they'd like. My point is that I think it's reasonable for both employer and employee to be pissed off at the situation because moving is incredibly disruptive. For employers this issue could be an existential threat.
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Rime posted:It pisses me off that if you go hiking in the Capilano watershed or climb the east lion you get jail time, but they let a loving production company build a clear-cut set in there and piss in the reservoir. Nobody has ever been put in jail for climbing the east lion. And probably not even for just hiking in the watershed in general. The designation just means don't be a dick with the land and water there.
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The Butcher posted:Nobody has ever been put in jail for climbing the east lion. And probably not even for just hiking in the watershed in general. The designation just means don't be a dick with the land and water there. It's a felony with a $40,000 fine attached unless you're on a guided tour, and they do low altitude flybys of the valley regularly. People have been arrested hiking in the Coquitlam watershed, it's very much illegal. Rime fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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Cultural Imperial posted:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-cities-must-cut-red-tape-for-affordable-housing-funds-minister/article28809676/ Read between the lines here: - This is the same Rich Coleman who stated "The government should not be I'm the business of providing housing" and sold off the entirety of the provinces low income unit stock to private investors. - Now he is complaining that the province has $500 million to invest in affordable housing but can't because of z owning constricting new construction. Tl;Dr: Rich Coleman has the balls to publicly bitch that he can't funnel half a billion taxpayer dollars into developer pockets. But it's the NDP that are the problem, M I RIGHT GUYZ?!?
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Rime posted:It's a felony with a $40,000 fine attached unless you're on a guided tour, and they do low altitude flybys of the valley regularly. People have been arrested hiking in the Coquitlam watershed, it's very much illegal. I dunno about Coquitlam, but nobody really gives a gently caress if you want to hop over to the east lion. Big pile of rocks on top and published climbing map I have in a book here says otherwise. It's not a casual climb though. And who is "they" doing flybys. Comon. poo poo costs too much. Could see getting people parking at obvious trailheads though.
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Rime posted:It's a felony with a $40,000 fine attached unless you're on a guided tour, and they do low altitude flybys of the valley regularly. People have been arrested hiking in the Coquitlam watershed, it's very much illegal. What is a felony, are you some sort of yank?
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THC posted:Yesterday I read a story about puppy mills, and how to avoid them, and one of the things was don't buy dogs from people who want to meet you some random place. Today I'm 99% sure I saw exactly that go down. A man sold a labrador puppy to two women out the back of his minivan just on the side of Homer street. There were like 3 other crated labs in the minivan. If you don't adopt a dog from a shelter, I unironically think you are garbage.
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peter banana posted:If you don't adopt a dog from a shelter, I unironically think you are garbage. Don't own a dog, you win from both angles.
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