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KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!
Yep! Don't make as much as some of these posters and I'm currently trying to work my way up the ladder with a degree and quite a bit of experience. Within the last year, I've really began to understand that time>money, especially as I freelance on the side on top of working 40 hours at an office.

I don't have a family or a massive debt burden, admittedly. Still. even at the lower payscale for people with my experience, I've turned down various freelance opportunities for the sake of my sanity. I can totally understand paying an extra $500/mo to secure an additional hour or two of free time for every single day that I have to work, especially if you're at a decent pay rate already.

For content: BWM is living in a 1 bedroom all by yourself while only clearing maybe 35k in Austin. I've got a few interviews lined up and other freelance projects that I'm hoping will become bigger deals, but my contingency plan is to get roommates. I love living by myself but paying nearly half of my take-home pay in rent is simply not sustainable. Neither is drinking craft beers and smoking kind buds with your mates all the time, for that matter.

Imma get my life together sometime this year, I swear.

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Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


I'd gladly pay $500/mo to avoid having to walk anywhere, get any exercise, or go outside for any reason.

*buys a gym membership to make use of my $500 free time*

*takes uber to gym*

tumblr hype man
Jul 29, 2008

nice meltdown
Slippery Tilde
ITT people discover that the labor supply curve bends backwards!

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe
It's not really worth working for $41/hour anyway, why bother.

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!

Thesaurus posted:

I'd gladly pay $500/mo to avoid having to walk anywhere, get any exercise, or go outside for any reason.

*buys a gym membership to make use of my $500 free time*

*takes uber to gym*

I see what you're getting at but a 40 minute walk in freezing-rear end weather+a bus commute of unspecified length two times a day is not "free time" in my book.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Devian666 posted:

It's not really worth working for $41/hour anyway, why bother.

Would you accept $41 to work the last non-sleep hour you had every week? I definitely wouldn't, nor the 8 hours before that one, but everyone's curve is shaped differently.

it's $41 in after-tax dollars, no less, unless he's found a way to deduct Uber expenses

Switchback
Jul 23, 2001

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

He said it's a twenty minute walk to public transit, he then has to wait for a train or a bus, and then ride the train or bus. Assuming he takes twenty minutes off his commute, it's basically three extra hours of work per week. I dunno about you but that's well worth avoiding to me. Personally, if I were offered $500/month to work an extra three hours per week, I'd turn it down. :shrug:

Biking to work is awesome if your setup allows for it, as mine does, but there are lots of ways that plan can be waylaid. I wouldn't do it if my office didn't have a shower. Living in an area with a lot of snow can be a hindrance as well, as suddenly the roads are slippery AND the bike lanes are often blocked.

My office has a shower. In the guys bathroom only. And every day is a humid 85-90 degrees. I spent too much money on a sweet rear end bike I take to work like once every 3 months because I show up sweaty and disgusting.

My company also doesn't cover any health insurance for my husband, on a dependents pass, because he is male. Female dependent spouses are covered. If I were gay married, my spouse would be covered, even though being gay is actually still illegal here.

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002

Switchback posted:


My company also doesn't cover any health insurance for my husband, on a dependents pass, because he is male. Female dependent spouses are covered.
Goddamn. That can't actually be legal, right?

baquerd
Jul 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

tumblr hype man posted:

ITT people discover that the labor supply curve bends backwards!

Don't hyper-extend your back under load, good way to get injured.

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!

Switchback posted:

My company also doesn't cover any health insurance for my husband, on a dependents pass, because he is male. Female dependent spouses are covered. If I were gay married, my spouse would be covered, even though being gay is actually still illegal here.

What if he got a sex change operation?

Damn Bananas
Jul 1, 2007

You humans bore me
I learned that a couple of my coworkers are BWM, and it's the only reason my work is still doing weekly paper paychecks instead of direct deposit. The conversation with the owner last night turned to payroll software and I mentioned:

:v: "By the way, it's 2016 - when are we going to go to direct deposit?"
:) "Oh, well right now everybody is being paid on the last day of the week that they actually work. If we went to DD it'd have to be delayed by a week, where you get your checks the week after you worked it. Everybody would have to go one week with no check."
:v: "I'm.... fine with that? Isn't that how most companies do it?"
:) [quietly] Yes, well, X & Y can't. I think they live check to check.

So I felt like a tool for bringing it up, and a bigger tool for being annoyed by it. I would have more sympathy if I knew that X&Y weren't married to each other, living in a cheaper area than my husband and I lived in when we were making (combined) $18/hour and were able to sock away a small savings. I work in AP so I know that the couple makes around $30/hr combined, plus 20-30 hours overtime time-and-a-half, combined. They're also looking to buy a house, but apparently can't float one week of pay ???

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

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Cat Army Sworn Enemy

drat Bananas posted:

I learned that a couple of my coworkers are BWM, and it's the only reason my work is still doing weekly paper paychecks instead of direct deposit. The conversation with the owner last night turned to payroll software and I mentioned:

:v: "By the way, it's 2016 - when are we going to go to direct deposit?"
:) "Oh, well right now everybody is being paid on the last day of the week that they actually work. If we went to DD it'd have to be delayed by a week, where you get your checks the week after you worked it. Everybody would have to go one week with no check."
:v: "I'm.... fine with that? Isn't that how most companies do it?"
:) [quietly] Yes, well, X & Y can't. I think they live check to check.

So I felt like a tool for bringing it up, and a bigger tool for being annoyed by it. I would have more sympathy if I knew that X&Y weren't married to each other, living in a cheaper area than my husband and I lived in when we were making (combined) $18/hour and were able to sock away a small savings. I work in AP so I know that the couple makes around $30/hr combined, plus 20-30 hours overtime time-and-a-half, combined. They're also looking to buy a house, but apparently can't float one week of pay ???

I remember working my first job, and asking a coworker why she came in on her day off to pick up her paycheck when she was scheduled to work the next day. Just pick it up then???????

Well, you see, not all of us can wait that long without our money. One day you'll understand :rolleyes:

That was over 10 years ago and I still don't understand. If you live in NYC, work a minimum wage retail job that's a 10 minute walk from your apartment, and own a car, I have no sympathy for you.

topenga
Jul 1, 2003

Switchback posted:

My office has a shower. In the guys bathroom only. And every day is a humid 85-90 degrees. I spent too much money on a sweet rear end bike I take to work like once every 3 months because I show up sweaty and disgusting.

My company also doesn't cover any health insurance for my husband, on a dependents pass, because he is male. Female dependent spouses are covered. If I were gay married, my spouse would be covered, even though being gay is actually still illegal here.

Jesus poo poo, do you literally work for the Old Boys Club?

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Switchback is in Singapore if I recall correctly, not exactly a bastion of civil rights or cheap living.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

drat Bananas posted:

I learned that a couple of my coworkers are BWM, and it's the only reason my work is still doing weekly paper paychecks instead of direct deposit. The conversation with the owner last night turned to payroll software and I mentioned:

:v: "By the way, it's 2016 - when are we going to go to direct deposit?"
:) "Oh, well right now everybody is being paid on the last day of the week that they actually work. If we went to DD it'd have to be delayed by a week, where you get your checks the week after you worked it. Everybody would have to go one week with no check."
:v: "I'm.... fine with that? Isn't that how most companies do it?"
:) [quietly] Yes, well, X & Y can't. I think they live check to check.

So I felt like a tool for bringing it up, and a bigger tool for being annoyed by it. I would have more sympathy if I knew that X&Y weren't married to each other, living in a cheaper area than my husband and I lived in when we were making (combined) $18/hour and were able to sock away a small savings. I work in AP so I know that the couple makes around $30/hr combined, plus 20-30 hours overtime time-and-a-half, combined. They're also looking to buy a house, but apparently can't float one week of pay ???
Buying a house is going to be a fun surprise for them once poo poo starts breaking, they realize how much property taxes are, they want to remodel the kitchen, etc. Although I'm guessing they'd just use loans for two of those.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

NancyPants posted:

Switchback is in Singapore if I recall correctly, not exactly a bastion of civil rights or cheap living.

I had to check out her post history because none of that made any sense.

Oh, Singapore...now it makes sense.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe
In New Zealand we delivery BWM directly to your door. Want to buy something, no problem we'll give you credit and end up effectively marking up products by 200-700% above retail price.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/77018418/claims-truck-shops-charging-markups-of-700-per-cent

quote:

"I became a customer of a truck company and only ever got one singlet that cost $150. Being young and clueless I stopped paying them almost immediately. After about two years of receiving and ignoring penalty notices and extra charges, I later noticed on my bank statement that they had been taking a small amount out of my account each week for over a year so I rang them and asked how much I had paid and how much money I still owed.

"Their reply was 'your account is doing good you only have two payments still owing'. Turned out I had ended up paying around $3000. I finished payments and never dealt with that company again."

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Sounds like Fingerhut and their ilk. They don't make money on merchandise, they make money on extending credit.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

drat Bananas posted:

I learned that a couple of my coworkers are BWM, and it's the only reason my work is still doing weekly paper paychecks instead of direct deposit. The conversation with the owner last night turned to payroll software and I mentioned:

:v: "By the way, it's 2016 - when are we going to go to direct deposit?"
:) "Oh, well right now everybody is being paid on the last day of the week that they actually work. If we went to DD it'd have to be delayed by a week, where you get your checks the week after you worked it. Everybody would have to go one week with no check."
:v: "I'm.... fine with that? Isn't that how most companies do it?"
:) [quietly] Yes, well, X & Y can't. I think they live check to check.

So I felt like a tool for bringing it up, and a bigger tool for being annoyed by it. I would have more sympathy if I knew that X&Y weren't married to each other, living in a cheaper area than my husband and I lived in when we were making (combined) $18/hour and were able to sock away a small savings. I work in AP so I know that the couple makes around $30/hr combined, plus 20-30 hours overtime time-and-a-half, combined. They're also looking to buy a house, but apparently can't float one week of pay ???
My company went from paying bimonthly to biweekly with a one-week lag, and the bitching was so bad they offered 0% APR payday loans to people who needed them. And they intentionally did it in the middle of the month so fewer bills were due.

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

There was a payroll goof at my company when the new year switched over where the company's HSA contribution was accidentally deducted from the employee paycheck rather than made in addition to it. We're talking like $75 out of one paycheck, among a bunch of highly paid professionals. It was caught and corrected within a week yet people still bitched.

Suspicious Lump
Mar 11, 2004

Switchback posted:

My office has a shower. In the guys bathroom only. And every day is a humid 85-90 degrees. I spent too much money on a sweet rear end bike I take to work like once every 3 months because I show up sweaty and disgusting.

My company also doesn't cover any health insurance for my husband, on a dependents pass, because he is male. Female dependent spouses are covered. If I were gay married, my spouse would be covered, even though being gay is actually still illegal here.
Your company does not respect women. loving hell man this is bad.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Dik Hz posted:

My company went from paying bimonthly to biweekly with a one-week lag, and the bitching was so bad they offered 0% APR payday loans to people who needed them. And they intentionally did it in the middle of the month so fewer bills were due.

You get paid twice a week?

Powerlurker
Oct 21, 2010

FrozenVent posted:

You get paid twice a week?

That would be "semi-weekly".

Eldred
Feb 19, 2004
Weight gain is impossible.

Powerlurker posted:

That would be "semi-weekly".

Both usages are actually correct because English is ridiculous. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/biweekly

Dr. Eldarion
Mar 21, 2001

Deal Dispatcher

Yes but equally ridiculous is using both "bimonthly" and "biweekly" in the same sentence but intending different things each time.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe
I don't like zerohedge but there is a depressing article that appears to be reasonable talking about significant pension cuts.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-18/i-guess-its-food-stamps-400000-americans-jeopardy-giant-pension-fund-plans-50-benefi

Some are cut 40-60% and another is estimated to go broke in 2026. I'm guessing there's a lot of people who thought they'd have a sweet pension coming in as they've just retired to find that it is about to collapse.

Mocking Bird
Aug 17, 2011
This is why I have a deferred compensation account alongside my pension contributions :( this worries me greatly, and many of my coworkers in their fifties and sixties have no such back up plan.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe
It's a bad situation made worse by the economy still being hosed. Bad enough with existing retirees depending on interest and collecting next to nothing at the current rates.

melon cat
Jan 21, 2010

Nap Ghost

Devian666 posted:

I don't like zerohedge but there is a depressing article that appears to be reasonable talking about significant pension cuts.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-18/i-guess-its-food-stamps-400000-americans-jeopardy-giant-pension-fund-plans-50-benefi

Some are cut 40-60% and another is estimated to go broke in 2026. I'm guessing there's a lot of people who thought they'd have a sweet pension coming in as they've just retired to find that it is about to collapse.
This is exactly why people need to plan their retirement under the assumption that a national/state-funded pension plan won't be there by the time they retire, because it's a potential reality that many will have to face. I've spoken to way too many clients who scoff at the idea of saving up for retirement because they foolishly believe that CPP/OAS (Canada national pension plan) will be sufficient to fund their retirement 30-40 years from now. Which is a joke, because CPP+OAS combined in today's economy is poverty-level income. And with average incomes stagnating and fertility rates being at record lows, there's no reason to believe that OECD nations' pensions plans will grow in any meaningful way. Couple that with the huge mortgages/consumer debt that many Canadians will still be paying well into retirement and you've got a shitshow of epic proportions.

On average, people spend more time planning their vacation than they spend planning their retirement. Ain't life grand? :confuoot:

Mocking Bird posted:

This is why I have a deferred compensation account alongside my pension contributions :( this worries me greatly, and many of my coworkers in their fifties and sixties have no such back up plan.
You're definitely right for taking that approach. And the craziest part of it all is that most people in their 50s and 60s spent most of their working days in an era characterized by higher disposable incomes and significantly lower living costs. Yet, they're in a bind because they've been YOLO'ing since the 60s.

melon cat fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Feb 19, 2016

Aagar
Mar 30, 2006

E/N Gestapo
I am talking to a mod right now about getting you probated/banned/gassed

melon cat posted:

This is exactly why people need to plan their retirement under the assumption that a national/state-funded pension plan won't be there by the time they retire, because it's a potential reality that many will have to face. I've spoken to way too many clients who scoff at the idea of saving up for retirement because they foolishly believe that CPP/OAS (Canada national pension plan) will be sufficient to fund their retirement 30-40 years from now. Which is a joke, because CPP+OAS combined in today's economy is poverty-level income. And with average incomes stagnating and fertility rates being at record lows, there's no reason to believe that OECD nations' pensions plans will grow in any meaningful way. Couple that with the huge mortgages/consumer debt that many Canadians will still be paying well into retirement and you've got a shitshow of epic proportions.

On average, people spend more time planning their vacation than they spend planning their retirement. Ain't life grand? :confuoot:

You're definitely right for taking that approach. And the craziest part of it all is that most people in their 50s and 60s spent most of their working days in an era characterized by higher disposable incomes and significantly lower living costs. Yet, they're in a bind because they've been YOLO'ing since the 60s.

This article was published a few days ago on this very topic:

article posted:

But Shillington found the median value of retirement assets of Canadians age 55 to 64 is just over $3,000.
...
As things stand now, half have savings that represent less than one year's worth of the resources they need to supplement OAS/GIS and CPP/QPP, the study found.

Fewer than 20 per cent have enough savings to supplement their income for at least five years.
...
"We're looking at a situation in our country — 10 years down the line, 15 years down the line — where millions of Canadians have very little disposable income and that's not good for the economy."
...
"We've been sold this bill of goods over the last few decades that RRSPs and TFSAs can be a sort of replacement for workplace pensions -- and that turns out to be untrue," Smith said.

Where RRSP/TFSA = 401K/Roth IRA.

Also stated in the article is that for single people who can claim the maximum from CPP/OAS, the payout is $15k/year. $25K/year for couples. Good loving luck.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

FrozenVent posted:

You get paid twice a week?
No, why do you ask?

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Dik Hz posted:

No, why do you ask?

Because english is poo poo, and people mostly expect bimonthly to mean twice a month for paychecks. And they also expect biweekly to mean twice a month for paychecks.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
City and state government pensions have been a time bomb for a couple of decades now. I guess I can't entirely blame people for assuming the city council or governor would just jack up taxes when the time came, but at the same time the people getting ready to retire have known about these risks for up to half their working lives. Or maybe they didn't. Which just goes to prove that stat about spending more time planning vacations than retirements.

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌
Just say fortnightly for fucks sake.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Breetai posted:

Just say fortnightly for fucks sake.

Or stop being lazy and write out "once every two months" and "twice a month".

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

Suspicious Lump posted:

Your company does not respect women. loving hell man this is bad.

Women are covered either way, but men aren't. This means they hate women?

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Craptacular posted:

Women are covered either way, but men aren't. This means they hate women?

It's paternalistic because it assumes women need insurance, but men are covered because what man depends on his wife for coverage?

So maybe not overt hate, but it's likely they are misogynistic in other ways (like the lack of gym showers for ladies). They probably pay men more than women too because men are heads of households and need the extra money.

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

Krispy Kareem posted:

It's paternalistic because it assumes women need insurance, but men are covered because what man depends on his wife for coverage?

I'm guessing that if they changed the rule for women's coverage by making to identical to the rule for men, few women would see this as a win.

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


Mocking Bird posted:

This is why I have a deferred compensation account alongside my pension contributions :( this worries me greatly, and many of my coworkers in their fifties and sixties have no such back up plan.

I have this as well (work for a municipality). I'm really tempted to ask payroll and/or our plan representative for an anonymized dataset of annual contributions, just so I can see how many people contribute more than $100/biweekly cycle. In my department of about 10 people, there's only one person besides me who does, and they only do about $250. This is an inexpensive place to live and we are paid well!

The good news is that our pension is the most solid of the six government pensions in the state, and we are all Social Security eligible, but still: the mind boggles

e: Only one person in the office doesn't contribute anything. He is also the oldest and has had the most severe health problems. Big trips to Europe every couple years though! Great job Kev :v:



The thing is, this is probably the same relative time allocation that occurs for financially literate people (at least during the accumulation phase). In between the first year of learning about proper retirement planning (which takes awhile) and the final years of your career (as you start planning a distribution strategy, thinking about estate planning, etc.), the amount of time you should be spending on retirement planning is very minimal. Just keep up contributions and rebalance once or twice a year. But I know the article isn't talking about people who are already on retirement autopilot. :smith:

pig slut lisa fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Feb 19, 2016

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jaymeekae
Aug 30, 2003

I sound hot when I swear my f*cking head off.
https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/46k3tg/i_found_out_i_have_a_six_year_old_son_i_want_to/

reddit posted:

I found out I have a six year old son. I want to buy a house.

He lives in Illinois (Chicago area) I live near Indianapolis. Wife works in Indy I work an hour south. Should I even consider it until after court? Lawyer fees for both states have wrecked my savings but a cheaper rent would make life easier. I pay 685 a month in rent alone. Can I even buy a house with no money down?

I have $0 and my $685 rent is too expensive. Should I buy a house?

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