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I think I posted this in the last thread, but here's a recording (of at least part) of the final speech delivered at  Jonestown, November 18, 1978. I cannot stress the warning enough here. Suicide cults in general are pretty fitting for this thread - doesn't one of the smaller ones still have a website up somewhere?
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Pyrotoad posted:I think I posted this in the last thread, but here's a recording (of at least part) of the final speech delivered at Yes, that would be Heaven's Gate.
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Harold Stassen posted:I guess I should preface these with "sorry if this has been posted before, but it's one of my favourites" What's more, noted Arctic/Antarctic explorer Roald Amundsen - first to the South Pole - also lost his life and disappeared during the search operation for the Italia.
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The Dupont de Ligonnes murders and disappearancewikipedia posted:The authorities consider Xavier Dupont de Ligonnes the main witness and the prime suspect in the murder of his wife and four children. After their bodies were discovered buried in the garden of the family home, the police set about searching for him, but he has never been found. According to the prosecutor, Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès’s relatives say he wrote a letter to them explaining that he and his family would be absent as “he was a sort of United States secret agent and had to return to the U.S. as part of a witness protection programme to work in a drugs case.” china bot has a new favorite as of 04:41 on Feb 18, 2016 |
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Does Satanic ritual abuse panic count as unnerving? I feel as if a bunch of people leading hundreds of children to lie in court just so they could throw a couple innocent people (witches?!?) in jail for the rest of their lives is pretty scary. This poo poo was only happening thirty years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse#As_a_moral_panic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial Scathach has a new favorite as of 05:22 on Feb 18, 2016 |
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Feb 18, 2016 05:16
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This one combines cave-diving deaths and alternative theories aplenty! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Ben_McDaniel
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Ugh, I can't recall the name, but this reminds me of the mob hit man/serial killer? who had a family as well. Everything looked normal from the outside, but the man was extremely violent and abusive to his family, seeing them nothing more than possessions. I think there was a quote from him or the wife, along the lines of 'if necessary, he would have killed the entire family.'
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Wedemeyer posted:Ugh, I can't recall the name, but this reminds me of the mob hit man/serial killer? who had a family as well. Everything looked normal from the outside, but the man was extremely violent and abusive to his family, seeing them nothing more than possessions. I think there was a quote from him or the wife, along the lines of 'if necessary, he would have killed the entire family.' You're probably thinking of Richard Kuklinski. The Ice Man. https://youtu.be/psoq8qYvx18
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Feb 18, 2016 05:56
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Harold Stassen posted:Neither the blimp nor the people aboard it have ever been found. THAT to me is loving unnerving Wouldn't the most reasonable explanation be that it drifted away and eventually fell into the sea?
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Feb 18, 2016 11:14
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Solice Kirsk posted:You're probably thinking of Richard Kuklinski. The Ice Man. He was actually a loving father and husband, and never took jobs to kill women/children.
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Comrade Koba posted:Wouldn't the most reasonable explanation be that it drifted away and eventually fell into the sea? Yup, but they were never found. Most likely it crashed into the sea or onto more ice- in either case, good luck finding a trace once the ice has moved/melted and the debris has sunk. No bodies, no wreckage were recovered. Up and vanished like a fart in the wind. The unnerving part to me is being on that blimp as it floats away out of sight of any living thing that ever was.
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Constipated posted:He was actually a loving father and husband, and never took jobs to kill women/children. According to him he was. I remember seeing an interview with one of his daughters or something where she said they basically lived in terror of him because he could explode into violent rages at the drop of a hat. They didn't know he was a hit man obviously, but they all knew he was doing something illegal. For the life of me I can't find the interview though. I could have swore it was on youtube. Either way, I think that was probably who they were thinking of just because of the hit man/serial killer thing. He's one of the very few that were both. Solice Kirsk has a new favorite as of 14:45 on Feb 18, 2016 |
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Harold Stassen posted:I guess I should preface these with "sorry if this has been posted before, but it's one of my favourites" It's also theorized that the two Italians who left the crash site with Swedish meteorologist Finn Malmgren ate him. His body was never found and only visually sighted from afar by a rescue plane.
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Scathach posted:Does Satanic ritual abuse panic count as unnerving? I feel as if a bunch of people leading hundreds of children to lie in court just so they could throw a couple innocent people (witches?!?) in jail for the rest of their lives is pretty scary. This poo poo was only happening thirty years ago. Yeah, this is terrifying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EBowBPwNW4 The "conspiracy", as addressed by the former head of the LA bureau of the FBI. The Iceman documentary is great. Especially the little bit at the end talking to the psychiatrist.
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Free Market Mambo posted:It's also theorized that the two Italians who left the crash site with Swedish meteorologist Finn Malmgren ate him. His body was never found and only visually sighted from afar by a rescue plane. I feel like between this thread and the Everest/Mountain Climbing threads, the biggest lesson is to never trust Italians when cold and snow is involved.
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Maggie Fletcher posted:It's more circumstantial, and alone it probably wouldn't suffice to convict. But considering his other activity, like posting on child-free reddit boards about how he wished he hadn't had a kid, and sending dick pics throughout the day to six different women, including one who was 16 (I think?) at the time, and the fact that he had specifically taken his kid out to breakfast that morning so it's not like he was unaware that he'd had him that day...it's all circumstantial and likely none of it would stand on its own, but taken together...it doesn't look good for the guy. The prosecution on the Casey Anthony case tried to make something of her googling chloroform around when her daughter died, although I am of the school of thought that it was more of a "what is this thing" search because a friend of hers had posted a meme referencing it on MySpace and Casey only looked at it for about a minute. (The cause of death for her daughter is unknown and the evidence that Casey could produce or had produced chloroform is very flimsy, the traces of it in her trunk could easily be from cleaning supplies and the "googled chloroform 55 times" thing just plain didn't happen.) She didn't get convicted, but like you said, taken with other things, it doesn't look good for the defense.
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Gripen5 posted:I feel like between this thread and the Everest/Mountain Climbing threads, the biggest lesson is to never trust Italians when cold and snow is involved. Realtalk, give Italians a wide berth in extreme conditions.
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Better dead than with the DB-A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolkhovitinov_DB-A A Russian prototype bomber is flown nonstop from Moscow to Fairbanks and disappears off the north coast of Alaska. Some locals reported seeing the all-red plane crash into the water but the plane was never found. Like the Italia it could have crashed into the ice, the ice moved, melted, and the wreckage sunk. The lack of closure of unfound bodies is always disturbing as the ultimate circumstances of fate are unknown. Amelia Earhart is another such case. Basically anything involving civil aviation in the pre-GPS days has the potential for terror. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Earhart#1937_world_flight Essentially she was looking to land on a postage stamp sized island among a sea of clouds casting island-like shadows, and probably ended up in the water. Unless she was recovered by the Japanese and killed as this stamp series would have us believe: http://www.dcdave.com/article5/Earhartstamp.jpg
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Scathach posted:Does Satanic ritual abuse panic count as unnerving? I feel as if a bunch of people leading hundreds of children to lie in court just so they could throw a couple innocent people (witches?!?) in jail for the rest of their lives is pretty scary. This poo poo was only happening thirty years ago. Not unnerving but related. And kinda amusing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_T5EF-uzU RoyKeen has a new favorite as of 16:42 on Feb 18, 2016 |
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Harold Stassen posted:Yup, but they were never found. Most likely it crashed into the sea or onto more ice- in either case, good luck finding a trace once the ice has moved/melted and the debris has sunk. No bodies, no wreckage were recovered. Up and vanished like a fart in the wind. The unnerving part to me is being on that blimp as it floats away out of sight of any living thing that ever was. Other airship related horrors: in 1932 the US Navy's airship, the Akron makes a coast to coast flight from New Jersey to California. When it arrives at Camp Kearney in San Diego there is no specialized equipment or trained operators available to moor the ship, so mooring is achieved by having a couple of hundred enlisted sailors running around trying to drag the mooring ropes around the field and tie them to anchor points. They succeed in mooring the ship's nose, but it takes too long to get the other lines in place, and the bright, sunny day has warmed the onboard helium, lifting the ship more than expected. Akron is becoming uncontrollable, and to avoid the disaster of the ship rising up and standing vertically on its nose the crew cuts the mooring line - the ship rises suddenly. Most of the men holding the other lines either let go or are thrown to the ground, but four of them are lifted bodily into the air. One lets go about 15 feet up and survives with some broken bones. Two of them lose their grip more than 100 feet up and fall to their deaths. The last guy hangs on to the rope, for more than one hour until the airship's crew are able to pull him inside. News crews were at the base to record Akron's arrival, and so the whole thing is on film (first one is for people hitting the ground and loving bouncing off it):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHsVcDK42VQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzyQtERLUNU
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Apraxin posted:I read a book on this years and years ago, and the thing that I always remembered was the survivors (those who weren't knocked out by the impact) describing the immediate aftermath - them staring up at the airship, the men still onboard staring back in horror, and then one of them, realizing how hosed they were, grabbing all the supplies he could reach and throwing them down to the guys on the ice, then saluting them as the gondola drifted out of sight. Wow. That must have been the longest loving hour in that guys life. I'd hope it was at least.
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End Of Worlds posted:Pyf doomed marriage The woman who made a thread on here a couple years back saying she wanted to get married at a convention, and have everything involved be (Legend of) Zelda-themed. I wonder how they're holding up now.
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FireWorksWell posted:The woman who made a thread on here a couple years back saying she wanted to get married at a convention, and have everything involved be (Legend of) Zelda-themed. I wonder how they're holding up now. It's already over, but my favorite goon divorce is the guy that let his family slip away and like gave away his dogs so he could raid on WoW more.
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Apraxin posted:I read a book on this years and years ago, and the thing that I always remembered was the survivors (those who weren't knocked out by the impact) describing the immediate aftermath - them staring up at the airship, the men still onboard staring back in horror, and then one of them, realizing how hosed they were, grabbing all the supplies he could reach and throwing them down to the guys on the ice, then saluting them as the gondola drifted out of sight. Interestingly enough the same airship crashed and killed 73/76 people onboard. The guys being hoisted aloft reminds me of Lawnchair Larry, the guy who fitted a lawnchair with helium balloons- but miscalculated the amount he needed, and shot up immediately to where civil air traffic flies. Eventually he shot the balloons one by one and returned to earth. He later killed himself  Blimps are loving dangerous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-class_blimp Wikipedia posted:they were used on some coastal patrols. In this role, L-8, of Blimp Squadron ZP-32 was involved in a mysterious incident where in the airship came drifting in from the Pacific Ocean over southern San Francisco at Daly City on August 16, 1942, without either of the crewmen – Lt. E. D. Cody and Ensign C. Adams – on board.[1] No trace of either man was ever found. All we are is farts in the wind
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Solice Kirsk posted:It's already over, but my favorite goon divorce is the guy that let his family slip away and like gave away his dogs so he could raid on WoW more. Yeah, I read both threads about that and I don't remember anything upsetting me more in the past five years; if I'm remembering right, he was trying to make it sound like he had to get rid of the dogs for some medical reason. This isn't 'scary' or paranormal, but my friend told me about this story a while ago: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-entrapment-of-jesse-snodgrass-20140226 It;s about a police officer who goes undercover, meets an autistic boy and coerces him into selling pot. What unnerves me more is how the article's writer tries to turn the tragedy into some kind of creative writing exercise. (I don't think omniscient perspectives belong in stories like this.)
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Harold Stassen posted:Interestingly enough the same airship crashed and killed 73/76 people onboard. The Macon then also crashed into the sea during a storm less then two years later. Only two fatalities that time, and the captain eventually retired as an admiral after WW2, but that must have been one hell of an 'oh no not again ' feeling.
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Apraxin posted:largely because he was now the only man still alive who had command experience with airships.  At least he didn`t end up on a Texas Tower- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Tower_4 An oil platform-type Early Warning radar station that collapsed into the ocean during a storm killing everyone `onboard`
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Gripen5 posted:I feel like between this thread and the Everest/Mountain Climbing threads, the biggest lesson is to never trust Italians when cold and snow is involved. Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line either.
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Scathach posted:Does Satanic ritual abuse panic count as unnerving? I feel as if a bunch of people leading hundreds of children to lie in court just so they could throw a couple innocent people (witches?!?) in jail for the rest of their lives is pretty scary. This poo poo was only happening thirty years ago. There was a satanic rituals scare in my hometown that made the front of the paper. Police raided an apartment above a bar in town because of reports of witchcraft being performed there. They found animal skulls and other silly goth - pagan ritual stuff. The whole article was super serious about what a threat satanic rituals and witchcraft were. That article was printed in 1993 in Pennsylvania
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line either. Am Sicilian, will vouch for this
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For 3 years in the 80s, Belgium was terrorized by a team of bandits who used highly excessive force for petty robberies such as grocery stores and gas stations. They likely made away with less than $200,000 but killed and tortured 28 people and wounded 40. One member, possibly the leader, may have been killed in their final raid, but his body was never found and nobody arrested has ever actually been connected with the crimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabant_killers
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C.M. Kruger posted:For 3 years in the 80s, Belgium was terrorized by a team of bandits who used highly excessive force for petty robberies such as grocery stores and gas stations. They likely made away with less than $200,000 but killed and tortured 28 people and wounded 40. One member, possibly the leader, may have been killed in their final raid, but his body was never found and nobody arrested has ever actually been connected with the crimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio Program of state sponsored terror to ensure Western European countries` loyalty to NATO and against the USSR.
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The Ape of Naples posted:Not unnerving but related. And kinda amusing. The end of this one is really depressing as its a straight up list of signs a child is being sexually abused
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C.M. Kruger posted:For 3 years in the 80s, Belgium was terrorized by a team of bandits who used highly excessive force for petty robberies such as grocery stores and gas stations. They likely made away with less than $200,000 but killed and tortured 28 people and wounded 40. One member, possibly the leader, may have been killed in their final raid, but his body was never found and nobody arrested has ever actually been connected with the crimes. You should also mention that their extreme violence was directed at civilians and policemen, to really unprecedented levels, and how it (understandably) made the police in the area quickly adopt a 'shoot first, ask questions later' mode of operating. It really changed the country. Everyone growing up during the 90s will remember occasionally seeing the police drawings of the perpetrators, when there was a new drive to try and find them. At this point it's pretty safe to say we'll never know who was responsible or why it happened.
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Harold Stassen posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio Huh, we really are the bad guys aren't we.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Huh, we really are the bad guys aren't we. No because Communism.  Paranoid cold war programs crawl off in all sorts of directions. Kind of limitless in the things they can tie into. Operation Gladio...The "Sacrifice" of Aldo Moro Propaganda Due. quote:Propaganda Due, or P2, was a Masonic lodge operating under the jurisdiction of the Grand Orient of Italy from 1945 to 1976 (when its charter was withdrawn), and a pseudo-Masonic, "black", or "covert" lodge operating illegally (in contravention of Article 18 of the Constitution of Italy banning secret associations) from 1976 to 1981. During the years that the lodge was headed by Licio Gelli, P2 was implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries, including the collapse of the Vatican-affiliated Banco Ambrosiano, the murders of journalist Mino Pecorelli and banker Roberto Calvi, and corruption cases within the nationwide bribe scandal Tangentopoli. P2 came to light through the investigations into the collapse of Michele Sindona's financial empire.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Huh, we really are the bad guys aren't we. The bad guys? No. One of the bad guys? Yes.
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Eh, I always cheered for the Empire in Star Wars so I have no problems cheering for the US in global conflicts/state funded terror attacks on ally nations I guess. Root for the home team and all that.
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Terrible Opinions posted:The bad guys? No. Definitely one of the bad guys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
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I have to assume that at some point the US, Italy, Belgium, and Russia all took bets on who could gently caress up other previously functional nations the hardest.
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