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Krad posted:I want them to just tell us who Zoom is already so he can unmask and maybe he'll Zoom's voice is great, because I can pretend he's Nightstalker with a haste rune.
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Feb 19, 2016 17:32
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New theory on Zoom and Mask Guy: Mask Guy is Jay Garrick, and when he tried to juice himself to get faster it somehow 'fractured' him, creating both the 'Jay Garrick' we know as well as Zoom. 'Jay Garrick' is the super-ego, the hero that Garrick wants to be. But he's not whole, and this is true true reason for his 'speed cancer'. For whatever reason, he doesn't remember/know that he's a splinter entity, he just remembers trying to juice and losing his speed (which he attributes to Zoom). Zoom is the id, and is obsessed with stealing speed because without it he will wither away like 'our' Garrick is. Mask Guy is the 'original' Jay Garrick (equivalent to the ego in this theory) and Zoom is keeping him alive either because in some way he recognizes that they're the same person and he needs him in some fashion, or perhaps he thought to 'hostile takeover' the super-ego Garrick, absorb his Speed Force, then merge back with the 'real' Garrick only with Zoom/the id in control now.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:03
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computer parts posted:Zoom's voice is great, because I can pretend he's Nightstalker with a haste rune.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:14
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They have to intentionally be making Barry an idiot who can't remember how to use his powers at this point. The plot gained absolutely nothing by having Barry try phasing only after he saw Zoom do it. If he simply tried it himself earlier and couldn't do it, everything can unfold exactly the same except now he's not a total moron. He can see Zoom do it, have the conversation with Jesse about frequencies for why Zoom's worked and his didn't, and still get psyched up by Other Barry.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:16
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You basically have to with Flash, he's like the most powerful being in the universe. If he was smart there wouldn't be any conflict.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:19
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So, if inspiration speeches are necessary for speed increases, why hasn't Zoom figured this out?
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Feb 19, 2016 18:22
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ApeHawk posted:So, if inspiration speeches are necessary for speed increases, why hasn't Zoom figured this out? He fattens up his dinner by marinating it in fear. It's like boot camp instructors, only with added fingerbanging.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:24
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That tap code was ridiculous. Here's an immediately usable system. "Are you trying to communicate?" *nods* ABCDEFGHIJ- *gesticulates* A- *gesticulates* ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY- *gesticulates* Jay Garrick? *gesticulates wildly*
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Feb 19, 2016 18:24
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VagueRant posted:What confuses me is that mask guy isn't credited? Is that legal? Apparently Tony Todd as the voice of Zoom is also going uncredited. (And I guess we have to assume the guy in the suit is just a stunt guy?) Teddy Sears is the first guest star on the list 
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Feb 19, 2016 18:26
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WarLocke posted:New theory on Zoom and Mask Guy: Are you sure this isn't Kingdom Hearts 3?
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Feb 19, 2016 18:27
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Invalid Validation posted:You basically have to with Flash, he's like the most powerful being in the universe. If he was smart there wouldn't be any conflict. I have been reading Flash most of my life and totally disagree with that concept. Smart writers can make the Flash halfway intelligent while still providing him a challenge. We just need better writing. In this instance you could keep everything the exact same with a simple line tweak. Instead of Barry forgetting that he can vibrate through solid matter while he is trapped in a cage, he could have said something like "I need to figure out how Zoom was able to vibrate through this glass, I couldn't when I tried earlier". Or like someone said, this would have been a good opportunity for Cisco to use his new powers to vibrate the glass to a different frequency. The problem is a lot of the writing is intentionally flubbed to stall for time so you get dumb crap like the Doctor Light fight: "I know, I'll just GO FAST to win this fight!".
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Feb 19, 2016 18:28
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Aphrodite posted:They just did with Caitlin. After seeing her in that corset, I'm fine with a Killer Frost reveal. 
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Feb 19, 2016 18:28
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Krad posted:Are you sure this isn't Kingdom Hearts 3? gently caress if I know, I never played any of those.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:29
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Accretionist posted:That tap code was ridiculous. I really hope there is some other reason they had him use some obscure POW tapping code instead of nodding or just using Morse. Maybe they don't have Morse code on Earth-2?
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Feb 19, 2016 18:30
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Aphrodite posted:They have to intentionally be making Barry an idiot who can't remember how to use his powers at this point. I was really hoping he was just assuming it was booby trapped in case he tried to phase through it but then that turned out to not be the case or explanation. Rurea posted:I really hope there is some other reason they had him use some obscure POW tapping code instead of nodding or just using Morse. Maybe they don't have Morse code on Earth-2? I still think it was fine because how the gently caress were they supposed to know it was only three letters he wanted to say? It'd work if he wanted to have a full conversation.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:32
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I think it's weirder that everyone on TV knows morse code all the time.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:33
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Maskman and Jesse were in that room for 4 months, too. All he did was try the same code over and over again? Like, after 2 minutes of it not working the first time, he didn't even try charades or spelling the letters with his fingers or something?
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Feb 19, 2016 18:33
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Rurea posted:I really hope there is some other reason they had him use some obscure POW tapping code instead of nodding or just using Morse. Maybe they don't have Morse code on Earth-2? They have it, it just vibrates at a different frequency
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Feb 19, 2016 18:33
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Chokes McGee posted:After seeing her in that corset, I'm fine with a Killer Frost reveal. People who don't like corsets confuse me. Ladies in corsets tend to be smokin.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:33
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Guy A. Person posted:I have been reading Flash most of my life and totally disagree with that concept. Smart writers can make the Flash halfway intelligent while still providing him a challenge. We just need better writing. I don't even read comics and I have a hard time believing The Flash is the strongest character of all time.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:36
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RareAcumen posted:I don't even read comics and I have a hard time believing The Flash is the strongest character of all time. It's more that if you stop and think about the scope of his powers if he actually unleashed, it becomes hard to come up with a credible threat he can't instantly deal with. It's sort of similar to the problem Superman has, in that he's pretty much invincible, so that only way to really 'challenge' him is to do stories where someone else is in danger that he can't easily protect, or challenge his beliefs, etc etc. I know people hate bringing up the Motherfucking Flash monologue, but it's not wrong about the guy being ridiculous.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:40
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Barry's superspeed would be much, much more interesting if he had to worry about momentum. He wouldn't be able to change direction easily if going too fast, which would give him an inherent weakness as well as a potential area of improvement (both with technology, e.g. boots with hyper-traction, and with agility). And the answer to everything would stop being "go faster!" because it would carry the possibility of loving himself over.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:44
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I don't know man, it's hard to call a character OP when he gets beat by bees. Bees.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:46
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enraged_camel posted:Barry's superspeed would be much, much more interesting if he had to worry about momentum. This would also make the comic Reverse Flash (the time-manipulation one, a la Turtle) a lot more differentiated/dangerous in comparison.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:46
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WarLocke posted:It's more that if you stop and think about the scope of his powers if he actually unleashed, it becomes hard to come up with a credible threat he can't instantly deal with. They just give Superman strong aliens who can fight on his level.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:47
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Aphrodite posted:They just give Superman strong aliens who can fight on his level. Making Superman into Goku is one option, I suppose.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:49
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Aphrodite posted:They just give Superman strong aliens who can fight on his level. And along that note, I'm sure they can come up with threats that aren't simply 'faster man than red fast man.'
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Feb 19, 2016 18:50
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RareAcumen posted:And along that note, I'm sure they can come up with threats that aren't simply 'faster man than red fast man.' Flash is similar. He has the speedsters instead of strong aliens, and then guys with gear to specifically counter him like Superman's kryptonite using enemies.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:55
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They should definitely make him face more opponents that are tricky and use illusions that he has to outsmart, like Trickster or Mirror Master or Abra Kadabra.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:58
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greatn posted:They should definitely make him face more opponents that are tricky and use illusions that he has to outsmart, like Trickster or Mirror Master or Abra Kadabra. He can't even remember his own powerset half of the time. He'd be absolutely flabbergasted by an actual clever trap.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:59
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And another thing, Flash should carry around those meta neutralizing collars.
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Feb 19, 2016 19:01
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Would be better than just killing them all the time
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Feb 19, 2016 19:02
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I honestly still can't get over that line. "Heh, Zoom just showed me how to get out of here  ."
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Feb 19, 2016 19:03
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And another thing, he should always have a freeze gun on him since Cisco can just make them. Cisco and Caitlin too.
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enraged_camel posted:Barry's superspeed would be much, much more interesting if he had to worry about momentum. That's sort of how Man of Steel does the Kryptonians' super speed. They have to stop to reorient themselves. 
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Feb 19, 2016 19:07
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computer parts posted:That's sort of how Man of Steel does the Kryptonians' super speed. They have to stop to reorient themselves. Supergirl seems to have cribbed this as well, and it's a really cool super-speed implementation.
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Feb 19, 2016 19:14
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computer parts posted:That's sort of how Man of Steel does the Kryptonians' super speed. They have to stop to reorient themselves. Wow, the action looks pretty good.
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Feb 19, 2016 19:17
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It'd look even better....... IN COLOR!
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WarLocke posted:It's more that if you stop and think about the scope of his powers if he actually unleashed, it becomes hard to come up with a credible threat he can't instantly deal with. Dr. Manhattan (Yes, yes. Time travel to murder him before the accident. Or just crushing him emotionally with nihilism, I guess.) I hope Zoom is just Jay Garrick, but he has an eye patch. Nobody comments on it.
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