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Semper Fudge posted:The way Johns is speaking to his role in Rebirth, he sounds almost like he's pretty much taken on the role executive editor. I wonder if they're ever going to make it official? I feel like Johns as Executive Editor can only be a good thing. He has a proven eye for talent, is affable and lacks ego, and has been cited a hundred times over as being a great guy and easy to work with. I wouldn't mind.
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Travis343 posted:Tynion could go either way. The Eternal series have been alright-to-good but I really have no idea how much of that is Snyder and how much is Tynion. I guess I like him on general principle because Dark_T-man hates him so much. I don't know how much of it is Ming Doyle but Constantine the Hellblazer has been excellent and Tynion is on that so maybe he's decent outside of the Batfamily.
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Teenage Fansub posted:The last time they did one it was pretty cool. And speaking of multiple Blue Beetles, they could copy the ending What is this referring to?
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:What is this referring to? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countdown_to_Infinite_Crisis \/ Yvonmukluk posted:The real question is going to be, is what happens to Stephanie Brown & Cassandra Cain? These are important questions. I'll bet on Steph for BOP at least. 
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Feb 20, 2016 05:16
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The real question is going to be, is what happens to Stephanie Brown & Cassandra Cain? These are important questions.
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Feb 20, 2016 10:08
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I got into metalcore last year and Ashes on Sunday sounds remarkably like it could be real band.Yvonmukluk posted:The real question is going to be, is what happens to Stephanie Brown & Cassandra Cain? These are important questions.
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WickedHate posted:
Ignorance in action. Stephanie was Stephanie first, they changed Barbara into Ginger Stephanie.
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Feb 20, 2016 15:15
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WickedHate posted:Stephanie Brown is so generic and uninteresting imo. I've always been sore she stole the Batgirl moniker from Cassandra, she's just Blonde Barbara. As I recall DC didn't want it to be Steph, just Not Cass. They were originally going make make Misfit (the Batgirl wannabe who was absolutely terrible in Birds of Prey) the new Batgirl until Gail Simone wrote them a letter outlining why that was a terrible idea. They literally wanted to have a Batgirl who was essentially a carbon-copy of Babs in appearance before going 'gently caress it' and literally making Babs Batgirl with the reboot. Also, Steph & Cass were good buddies, it makes sense Cass would hand over the title to her over anyone else.
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Feb 20, 2016 15:18
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Travis343 posted:Ignorance in action. Stephanie was Stephanie first, they changed Barbara into Ginger Stephanie. I've barely read any N52 Batgirl stuff. Yvonmukluk posted:Also, Steph & Cass were good buddies, it makes sense Cass would hand over the title to her over anyone else. She shouldn't have to hand the title over to anyone.
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I get the reasoning, but on some level it's weird that when you have a boy Robin, fans talk about what his REAL ADULT MAN individual hero identity could be, but when we have a Gotham girl hero, everyone wants her to drop her personal hero thing and become Batgirl or Robin.
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DC did wrong by Cassandra Cain. So very wrong. Their terrible treatment of Cass and other characters like her is the sort of legendary trainwreck that could scarcely be believed without having been there to witness it firsthand, as we all did. But being unthinkingly, stubbornly attached to the idea of Cassandra Cain as Batgirl is not really that different from an unthinking stubborn attachment to Barbara Gordon as Batgirl. The title can be passed on. Characters can change and adopt other titles. It's not always a bad thing. Treating it as a bad thing, being idiotically fixated on certain iconic things having to be certain iconic ways, is part of why the DC legacy narrative practically got wiped from existence and is such a giant incomprehensible mess right now.
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BrianWilly posted:DC did wrong by Cassandra Cain. So very wrong. Their terrible treatment of Cass and other characters like her is the sort of legendary trainwreck that could scarcely be believed without having been there to witness it firsthand, as we all did.  I've got no problem with how things ultimately shook out right before Flashpoint in the Batfamily, except maybe the 'death' of Oracle. It absolutely sucked how we got to that point, but it seemed like that would been a great status quo - Cass back in Gotham & maybe dating Tim (that seemed to be where Snyder was going in Gates of Gotham), Steph as Batgirl, & Tim as Red Robin. It seemed like that would be a nice set of interconnected Batbooks. Of course, then Barry Allen ruined everything. BARRY! 
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BrianWilly posted:But being unthinkingly, stubbornly attached to the idea of Cassandra Cain as Batgirl is not really that different from an unthinking stubborn attachment to Barbara Gordon as Batgirl. The title can be passed on. Characters can change and adopt other titles. It's not always a bad thing. Treating it as a bad thing, being idiotically fixated on certain iconic things having to be certain iconic ways, is part of why the DC legacy narrative practically got wiped from existence and is such a giant incomprehensible mess right now. It's like Batman going through five Robins in five years except with even less justification. There was no good reason for things to turn out that way.If Steph was Batgirl Beyond/One Million/2099 I wouldn't care.
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I don't give a poo poo what they call themselves. I just want to see Steph and Cass be friends. There can be three Batgirls or no Batgirls or whatever combination of Batgirls. I like all of the characters and I want to see them in good stories. Saying Stephanie is just Blonde Barbara is incredibly dumb though.
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Has DC ever given a reason for their dislike of Cass Cain?
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Nobody dislikes her. They just thought they could do better with a different Batgirl, and that Cassandra could carry on as her own character. Good intentions can look like malice when incompetence is involved. Cass Cain would have been cool in Grayson as a SPYRAL agent or something. How's she doing in B&R Eternal?
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Die Laughing posted:Nobody dislikes her. They just thought they could do better with a different Batgirl, and that Cassandra could carry on as her own character. Good intentions can look like malice when incompetence is involved. She's easily been the best part of it. They've kept the core beats of who she is and her origin and woven her into the New 52 bat-mythos very well IMO.
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Also while she doesn't really talk to/interact with Stephanie at all, they gave her a well written relationship with Harper which works well. I really hope Rebirth doesn't unintroduce Cass somehow or leave her out of any books.
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It's the most logical thing in the world for her to be a member of the new Birds of Prey, so it probably won't happen.
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Darth Nat posted:It's the most logical thing in the world for her to be a member of the new Birds of Prey, so it probably won't happen. Red Hood and the Outlaws are always recruiting  (Please put her in BoP DC  )
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Travis343 posted:Saying Stephanie is just Blonde Barbara is incredibly dumb though. . It'd be more accurate to say that New 52 Barbara was just Ginger Stephanie Brown.Barbara was a vastly more interesting character as Oracle anyways, but I'm well-aware that that ship has sailed.
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Die Laughing posted:Cass Cain would have been cool in Grayson as a SPYRAL agent or something. How's she doing in B&R Eternal? I'm imagining both Cass and Steph will show up in that Batgirl & The Birds of Prey book that'll be coming up soon. DC would be huge fools to not include them in some way, but then again it is DC. There may be more books than just the ones we've heard coming up as well.
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Die Laughing posted:Nobody dislikes her. They just thought they could do better with a different Batgirl, and that Cassandra could carry on as her own character. Good intentions can look like malice when incompetence is involved. Except for that part where they editorially mandated her to be a villain in Adam Beechen's Robin (Adam Beechen also knew nothing about Cassandra Cain), when her role in that story could have very easily been filled by Nyssa Al-Ghul as 'villain who wants Robin to get on the murder train', only she got killed off at the outset because...reasons. And then put Adam Beechen, who still didn't know anything about Cassandra Cain, in charge of a miniseries supposed to 'fix' the character. Right about when it seemed like she was about to get back on track as a member of the Batfamily in Gotham again, they rebooted the universe and refused to allow her back for years - Harper Row exists because they wouldn't let the writers use Cassandra, for example. And then Cassandra was criminally wasted in the Convergence: Batgirl miniseries by, again, another writer who didn't really understand her. I'm hearig a lot of good things about B&R Eternal, but considering we have Rebirth coming up, who knows what'll happen to Cass then? I am angry. ANGRY ABOUT BATGIRLS.
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lotus circle posted:Cass is honestly one of the only redeeming qualities about the comic. The story isn't very good, but Cass is true to her original incarnation while mixing new a couple new things that fit. I know some people aren't a fan of her new upbringing, especially concerning David Cain, but I think the alterations they made aren't just for the sake of changing and that's what matters. The new David Cain is the weakest part of her new origin. He's a mustache-twirling villain now who can't even seem to win a fight against anyone but Harper. That said, the issue that was pretty much just solo Cass was the best issue of the series so far.
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Some random tweets that put me at ease. Dan DiDio half-way confirming that there are still some experimental DCYou esque books in the mix. Also a potentially subtle hint at that Gerard Way Doom Patrol book: https://twitter.com/dandidio1/status/700833003358957570 Prez still coming out in October: https://twitter.com/Manruss/status/700488890986070016 Steve Orlando confirmed Midnighter will show up post Rebirth: https://twitter.com/thesteveorlando/status/700494216829468673
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That's not even subtle. I should check out Umbrella Academy, finally.
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And I should go back and reread the Killjoys series. I would be intensely on board with him on Doom Patrol.
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graybook posted:And I should go back and reread the Killjoys series. I would be intensely on board with him on Doom Patrol. Killjoys is pretty rough. Cloonan is killing it, but man, the plot is just dull. You're better off watching the MCR videos it's based on.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I am angry. ANGRY ABOUT BATGIRLS. Is this because you had to shut up about Spider-Girl in the Marvel thread?
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What if it's "blockbuster writer of Deadpool Daniel Way's" scrapped Ant-Man MAX story that was all about how Hank Pym would barely need any cocaine to get BLAZED and how he'd use his shrinking powers to go into a pile of used panties, rejiggered to be a bold new direction for the Atom?
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This is pretty cool https://twitter.com/DCComics/status/701246164583190528
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:This is pretty cool ... Christ, it's hard to believe there are 35 years between those two. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Feb 21, 2016 |
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:This is pretty cool Stan Lee is here to steal another soul. Goddamn you would think those two are about the same age by that photo.
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Shhh. The new Batgirl team is meant to be kept under wraps!
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Edge & Christian posted:What if it's "blockbuster writer of Deadpool Daniel Way's" scrapped Ant-Man MAX story that was all about how Hank Pym would barely need any cocaine to get BLAZED and how he'd use his shrinking powers to go into a pile of used panties, rejiggered to be a bold new direction for the Atom?  That can't be real. Can it?
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:This is pretty cool Frank looks in better shape then he did in his last picture I guess.
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Endless Mike posted:
quote:THE PULSE: What do you find the most challenging about having the variety?
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Travis343 posted:I don't give a poo poo what they call themselves. I just want to see Steph and Cass be friends. There can be three Batgirls or no Batgirls or whatever combination of Batgirls. I like all of the characters and I want to see them in good stories. Teenage Fansub posted:That's not even subtle. I should check out Umbrella Academy, finally.
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