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That's how I feel about paid music services like spotify and google play. I could freely download whatever songs I want without much difficulty, but it's worth the fee to not ever have to bother with that and just have everything I want to listen to available at any time
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Can someone explain to me how something like Etsy works with it being almost entirely knock off fanart stuff? The quality isn't the factor but licensing and intellectual properties. How is that place not sued into oblivion by someone like Nintendo?
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Feb 21, 2016 03:00
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Armani posted:Can someone explain to me how something like Etsy works with it being almost entirely knock off fanart stuff? The quality isn't the factor but licensing and intellectual properties. How is that place not sued into oblivion by someone like Nintendo? A couple things: 1. The DMCA has a safe harbor provision for content hosts that says they can host infringing material if they qualify. Qualifying involves jumping through a lot of hoops, and involves having a specific process for reporting infringing content. Youtube does this. 2. Nobody, including IP holding companies, really cares about Etsy.
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Feb 21, 2016 03:08
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Armani posted:Can someone explain to me how something like Etsy works with it being almost entirely knock off fanart stuff? The quality isn't the factor but licensing and intellectual properties. How is that place not sued into oblivion by someone like Nintendo? No IP holder gives a drat about fanart produced on a small scale. Suing fanartists creates a huge PR disaster out of what was essentially free advertising for their product, so it is instead reserved for people making knockoffs of actual company product.
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Feb 21, 2016 03:39
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Konstantin posted:Things like YouTube Red show how far advertising has fallen as a revenue source. I'm not in the field, but offering users the chance to pay to opt out of ads seems like it would really reduce the value of your advertising. I think "people who are willing and able to pay for a premium, recurring online service" are a group that almost every advertiser wants to reach, and buying advertising that specifically excludes that group sounds like a bad idea. it's better to allow people to pay to opt out of advertising when even my mom knows what an adblocker is and how to install one
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Feb 21, 2016 04:38
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's better to allow people to pay to opt out of advertising when even my mom knows what an adblocker is and how to install one Which is why the smart advertising money goes into product placement these days, car companies in particular will pay princely sums for clear shots of vehicle logos and features.
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Feb 21, 2016 05:01
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Kwyndig posted:Which is why the smart advertising money goes into product placement these days, car companies in particular will pay princely sums for clear shots of vehicle logos and features. Which is irritating as poo poo during tv shows/movies because they always make it blatant as gently caress that you just fell into an advertisement
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Feb 21, 2016 05:04
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Levitate posted:Which is irritating as poo poo during tv shows/movies because they always make it blatant as gently caress that you just fell into an advertisement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQYwFND7rHE I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Feb 21, 2016 05:14
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's better to allow people to pay to opt out of advertising when even my mom knows what an adblocker is and how to install one Don't most good mobile ad blockers require a jailbroken/rooted phone? That process does require jumping through some technical hoops.
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Feb 21, 2016 05:19
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Levitate posted:Which is irritating as poo poo during tv shows/movies because they always make it blatant as gently caress that you just fell into an advertisement If nothing else no modern product placement is ever going to be as blatant as it was in the Race to Witch Mountain remake.
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Feb 21, 2016 05:24
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Konstantin posted:Don't most good mobile ad blockers require a jailbroken/rooted phone? http://lifehacker.com/the-best-ad-blockers-for-ios-9-1731433501 http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/09/google-reverses-its-decision-to-ban-ad-blocking-apps-from-the-google-play-store/
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Feb 21, 2016 05:35
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:If nothing else no modern product placement is ever going to be as blatant as it was in the Race to Witch Mountain remake. Have you seen the Honda fit episode of community lol.
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Feb 21, 2016 09:08
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Armani posted:Can someone explain to me how something like Etsy works with it being almost entirely knock off fanart stuff? The quality isn't the factor but licensing and intellectual properties. How is that place not sued into oblivion by someone like Nintendo? Etsy isn't selling anything. The people using Etsy to sell things are. That's actually one of the sticking points of the internet right now; from a legal standpoint you have to have a certain amount of policing (look at, say, YouTube) but the hosting service doesn't do anything illegal but not checking everything. If somebody says "hey take this copyrighted thing I own down" they have to but because Etsy is not the one putting it up they can just shrug and say "well you know, there's millions of things on here, we can't look at all of them." Which is actually where the legality of the internet is kind of still being sorted out and why I mentioned the inertia of "gently caress you, everything is free" going on. Why pay for legit stuff from the creators when you can get knock offs way cheaper? Sticking it to the man that way, right? ToxicSlurpee fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Feb 21, 2016 |
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You pay quite a steep price for internet access and a load of useful information is behind paywalls or simply inaccessible to the average Joe. "Everything is free", but "Everything" always turns into a few specific things that the author feels strongly about and paying for access to the internet is never taken into account. And I'm certain that the gentrification of internet access is one of reasons we're having this argument.
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Feb 21, 2016 10:45
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IndustrialApe posted:You pay quite a steep price for internet access and a load of useful information is behind paywalls or simply inaccessible to the average Joe. "Everything is free", but "Everything" always turns into a few specific things that the author feels strongly about and paying for access to the internet is never taken into account. Lol I'm going to need to see the receipts to the argument that Internet access is getting "gentrification".
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Feb 21, 2016 10:49
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It's not that hard. Just look at the distribution of Google Fiber Access, you will notice that the richer, whiter parts of town are getting high speed fiber access. It happens in other countries as well, in the Netherlands your town/part of town will only get fiber if a certain amount of people express interest and this too has lead to towns with a higher than average income and education getting fiber before larger cities with poorer neighborhoods.
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Feb 21, 2016 10:58
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That isn't gentrification. I don't see any displacement of poor people or poor people's needs especially given your premise that the roll-outs are taking place in existing high income areas.
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Feb 21, 2016 11:26
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Yes, it would only be gentrification if fiber was pushed into a lower income area and then rents and property values became too high as a result pushing poor people out. What you're seeing instead is simply capitalism in action, lower income people tend not to have a demand for high speed internet access for various reasons, primarily a lack of luxury items like high end gaming PC's and current generation consoles. If they have phones or tablets those are their primary means of accessing the internet, otherwise they will use their local library.
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Feb 21, 2016 12:20
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Holyshoot posted:Yup like we have all said convenience will make people want to pay and stop being illegal. Netflix has somewhat harnessed this but not all the way nor can it. Until there is a "Netflix" for all current seasons of tv shows that isn't ad riddled like hulu or cost an arm and a leg and setup like cable I'll be sticking to Netflix needs to make everything available in every region, and I hope they become rich enough to strong arm rights holders into the 21st century. shrike82 posted:Lol I'm going to need to see the receipts to the argument that Internet access is getting "gentrification". code:
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
for what I can't get on netflix.
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Feb 21, 2016 13:21
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While the gentrification argument might not make that much sense in the physical world, what about on the non-physical internet? If the richest segments of the population gain access to far higher bandwidth connections, leading to websites being designed around that level, then you could see gentrification on the internet in the form of some websites having too high a "cost" to use for the people with lovely connections. (Either because it's terribly to load, or because it eats up their bandwidth cap in no time.) Not saying this is definitely going on, but it seems like a theoretical possibility.
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Feb 21, 2016 14:05
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A Buttery Pastry posted:leading to websites being designed around that level, then you could see gentrification on the internet in the form of some websites having too high a "cost" to use for the people with lovely connections. This is called a bloated website, not internet gentrification. I have a hard time imagining a business turning away customers like this, especially since the correlation between money and high speed internet access is not 1:1.
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Feb 21, 2016 15:23
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Not even websites. Content that would saturate existing broadband bandwidth or caps is largely limited to HD videos and games.
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ductonius posted:This is called a bloated website, not internet gentrification. I have a hard time imagining a business turning away customers like this, especially since the correlation between money and high speed internet access is not 1:1.
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Feb 21, 2016 17:30
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ductonius posted:This is called a bloated website, not internet gentrification. I have a hard time imagining a business turning away customers like this, especially since the correlation between money and high speed internet access is not 1:1. Vertu's leather-clad diamond-studded $10000 crap phones will be advertised most effectively to rich douchebags, because only rich douchebags have the internet speed to load an unnecessary 2 minute 500MB uncompressed high resolution advert before they get bored. Truly the end of the world.
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We should make a simple list of companies with a realistic revenue stream and those that don't. Like even if GoPro does badly, at the end of the day at least they make cameras they can sell to people, who pay money for them. But where does Tumblrs revenue come from? Ads? Really? I dont know posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQYwFND7rHE Every time I eat at Subway I feel mouth raped.
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Oldsmobile posted:We should make a simple list of companies with a realistic revenue stream and those that don't. I feel like unrealistic investor expectations, greed, and the exponential growth of executive salaries has doomed even traditional companies that sell real physical goods. I work for a company that has gutted its corporate staff over the last ten years to remain profitable, and now we're hitting the point where people's jobs are being threatened if we can't sell 'services' because continued growth is unsustainable via only selling retail goods.
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DrNutt posted:I feel like unrealistic investor expectations, greed, and the exponential growth of executive salaries has doomed even traditional companies that sell real physical goods. I work for a company that has gutted its corporate staff over the last ten years to remain profitable, and now we're hitting the point where people's jobs are being threatened if we can't sell 'services' because continued growth is unsustainable via only selling retail goods. who needs capitalism when you can have crapitalism
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Feb 21, 2016 19:22
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DrNutt posted:I feel like unrealistic investor expectations, greed, and the exponential growth of executive salaries has doomed even traditional companies that sell real physical goods. I work for a company that has gutted its corporate staff over the last ten years to remain profitable, and now we're hitting the point where people's jobs are being threatened if we can't sell 'services' because continued growth is unsustainable via only selling retail goods. It's actually dooming the entire economy, in the end. Even Goldman Sachs recently was like "yeah uh, guys? We can't keep this up forever."
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Yeah, we're clearly headed for some kind of collapse, I'm just wondering what the end game will look like.
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Feb 21, 2016 19:27
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Nah, the speculative bubble leading up to '08 was much more dangerous i.e., systemic given the tangle of financial institutions involved. The tech bubble's been largely financed by institutional investors and the major tech players.
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shrike82 posted:That isn't gentrification. I don't see any displacement of poor people or poor people's needs especially given your premise that the roll-outs are taking place in existing high income areas. In response to a question upthread: Tumblr doesn't make money, and that's why Yahoo had to write off a hefty chunk of its value last fall. So far Yahoo has not found a successful way to monetize its existing population, and when you don't have screaming growth a promise of future profitability is not what the investors want. See also Twitter. After Jaws, I have read, producers no longer wanted to produce middle-of-the-road movies; as the decades past, they devoted more and more of their money to blockbusters, which are all-or-nothing shots, or to obvious Oscar candidates, ditto ditto. The variety of movies in wide release has declined as a consequence. Has anybody seen other unicorns that belong in this thread? shrike82 posted:The tech bubble's been largely financed by institutional investors and the major tech players.
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Nah, you're unlikely to see stuff like the repo run or the breaking of the buck scaring the poo poo out of people. There's a reason why there's a bank scare going on in Europe right now.
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Yelp / Eat24 worker fired for posting on the internet about literally starving to death while working for food company. The post: https://medium.com/@taliajane/an-open-letter-to-my-ceo-fb73df021e7a#.5k265ghc9 quote:... Every single one of my coworkers is struggling. They’re taking side jobs, they’re living at home. One of them started a GoFundMe because she couldn’t pay her rent. She ended up leaving the company and moving east, somewhere the minimum wage could double as a living wage. Another wrote on those neat whiteboards we’ve got on every floor begging for help because he was bound to be homeless in two weeks. Fortunately, someone helped him out. At least, I think they did. I actually haven’t seen him in the past few months. Do you think he’s okay? Another guy who got hired, and ultimately let go, was undoubtedly homeless. He brought a big bag with him and stocked up on all those snacks you make sure are on every floor (except on the weekends when the customer support team is working, because we’re what makes Eat24 24-hours, 7 days a week but the team who comes to stock up those snacks in the early hours during my shift are only there Mondays through Fridays, excluding holidays. They get holidays and weekends off! Can you imagine?). ... The whole thing is a pro-read, except the comments, which are horrific. The response: http://www.businessinsider.com/talia-jane-fired-yelp-eat24-2-2016 quote:Yelp's CEO, Jeremy Stoppelman, has responded to Talia Jane on Twitter: Guys. Put down the pitchforks, OK? We're moving the whole operation to Phoenix where people don't complain about minimum wage. Also, incidentally, you're all fired.
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DrNutt posted:I feel like unrealistic investor expectations, greed, and the exponential growth of executive salaries has doomed even traditional companies that sell real physical goods. I work for a company that has gutted its corporate staff over the last ten years to remain profitable, and now we're hitting the point where people's jobs are being threatened if we can't sell 'services' because continued growth is unsustainable via only selling retail goods. What? I have GoPros attached to all my limbs, so does my family. I record everything 24/7 and since there's 7 billion people on the planet that's like a potential market of 35 billion cameras. No but seriously that's actually a real problem. Ikea boss just said they've hit peak stuff: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/18/weve-hit-peak-home-furnishings-says-ikea-boss-consumerism
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If the banks were funding the tech bubble then you wouldn't have VC money. Even the greediest banks that pushed mortgages to poor people looked at the average startup's risk and said "nah, you can try elsewhere".
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Yelp / Eat24 worker fired for posting on the internet about literally starving to death while working for food company. we were posting about this in the other techbro thread, she's starving because she didnt want to/couldn't find a roommate and ended up paying more than her monthly income on rent, bills, and transportation alone. thats not really yelp's fault, low wages is one thing but your employer isn't to blame if you legally commit to paying 80% of your wages on rent i started off sympathetic to her plight but ended up being "drat lady you're 25 and you're still making mistakes of this caliber? nobody's responsible for feeding you but you, step it up" moving these jobs to a place with a lower cost of living is absolutely the correct thing to do
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Yelp / Eat24 worker fired for posting on the internet about literally starving to death while working for food company. Stupid Millennial with its head in the clouds wants to achieve the ~dream~ of becoming the twitor posting intern of a hip and cool company, moves to the most expensive city in country to join their This story is basically Peak Tech.
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Feb 21, 2016 20:47
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I can't wait for someone to write the tech culture-equivalent of American Psycho.
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I miss fuckedcompany.com more than one of my friends ended up finding out he or she was about to be unemployed by checking the site regularly is there a twenty teens equivalent? https://web.archive.org/web/20010515183530/http://www.fuckedcompany.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/2001060...=0&crapfilter=1
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