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mcmagic posted:No heh. 11 out of the top 16 and 20 out of the top 32. Didn't Wizards state that they banned Pod because it was 15-20% of the meta or something? I don't remember the exact number but I remember them giving an actual number in the ban announcement. If that representation is ban-worthy than >50% metagame presence definitely is. What's the highest representation % that one deck type has ever had in an event?
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Cactrot posted:I don't see how you can say that with a straight face when the deck that won had a transformational anti Eldrazi sideboard plan, that only proves that the eldrazi decks are format warping. Oh it wasn't a straight face. Although I can hope. Also all of modern sideboards are silver bullet boards. I still expect to see Eye eat a ban but it's still playable without Eye. Just not really stupid playable. mcmagic posted:No heh. 11 out of the top 16 and 20 out of the top 32. True, but this is the first tournament since the protour and it didn't win. It still showed very well obviously but it isn't unbeatable. C-Euro posted:Didn't Wizards state that they banned Pod because it was 15-20% of the meta or something? I don't remember the exact number but I remember them giving an actual number in the ban announcement. If that representation is ban-worthy than >50% metagame presence definitely is. Eldrazi flavors were less than 20% of the field this tournament. Edit: looking at the breakdown of the meta since the protour all combined Eldrazi flavors make up less than 15%. Affinity is a little less than 11% Errant Gin Monks fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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rabidsquid posted:Magic tournaments are mentally taxing and stressful. I meant in general, not this specific match but thanks for the glib rear end reply lol.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:True, but this is the first tournament since the protour and it didn't win. It still showed very well obviously but it isn't unbeatable. It didn't win because it played against its one bad match up, and it was still one turn 2/3 Thought-Knot, or one topdecked Disenchant from winning that game. And he had a ton of draws that could have bought him time. Errant Gin Monks posted:Eldrazi flavors were less than 20% of the field this tournament. And something like 50% of the day 2 decks.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Luckily with this affinity win the ban may not be coming so quickly. Affinity with artifact lands and skullclamp legal didn't win the mirrodin block pro tour and we all know how that ended up
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I think it's pretty cool that BFZ was such a nonfactor in standard a lot of players stopped playing it and moved into modern. Then Oath took a big ol dump in modern, and they banned the most popular deck right before that. I went to a standard ppppppptq yesterday not expecting a big turn out because of the unpopularity of standard the last several months. Huge turnout. Multiple people saying they moved back into standard because of modern going off the rails. Is this all a conspiracy to get people back into standard? Thought Knot Seer prominently features a large, all seeing eye... EYE of Ugin...hedrons are just two pyramids stuck together at the bottom... Makes ya think......
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:Affinity with artifact lands and skullclamp legal didn't win the mirrodin block pro tour and we all know how that ended up This is also true but standard is a different animal than modern. The toolkit in modern is a bit bigger. Also don't think I believe Eye won't be banned it totally will be, but for now WHHHEEEEEEE
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just rust posted:I think it's pretty cool that BFZ was such a nonfactor in standard a lot of players stopped playing it and moved into modern. Then Oath took a big ol dump in modern, and they banned the most popular deck right before that. I went to a standard ppppppptq yesterday not expecting a big turn out because of the unpopularity of standard the last several months. Huge turnout. Multiple people saying they moved back into standard because of modern going off the rails. You can't prove aliens didn't invent the hedrons.
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Here's a question, I have a karn liberated with a damaged corner (there is a large, visible crease on on of the cards corners). What should I value/trade it at? I was thinking 30, but should I try going lower?
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:Affinity with artifact lands and skullclamp legal didn't win the mirrodin block pro tour and we all know how that ended up Didn't the Disciple of the Vault deck win that?
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:Affinity with artifact lands and skullclamp legal didn't win the mirrodin block pro tour and we all know how that ended up You're being disingenuous. Wasn't the winning deck Elf & Nail (with Skullclamp) instead?
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just rust posted:I think it's pretty cool that BFZ was such a nonfactor in standard a lot of players stopped playing it and moved into modern. Then Oath took a big ol dump in modern, and they banned the most popular deck right before that. I went to a standard ppppppptq yesterday not expecting a big turn out because of the unpopularity of standard the last several months. Huge turnout. Multiple people saying they moved back into standard because of modern going off the rails. Yeah... standard has definitely been more popular the last few weeks. I have somewhat hated moving away from modern but what can you do?
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Oh it wasn't a straight face. Although I can hope. Also all of modern sideboards are silver bullet boards. I still expect to see Eye eat a ban but it's still playable without Eye. Just not really stupid playable. quote:True, but this is the first tournament since the protour and it didn't win. It still showed very well obviously but it isn't unbeatable. It got beat with a sideboard, that absent the Eldrazi decks, no one would play. quote:Eldrazi flavors were less than 20% of the field this tournament. Of 65 players on day 2, 31 had eye and temple in their decks. There were 5 affinity players.
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It's pretty bizarre to me to see defenses of the massive amount of the metagame Eldrazi is taking up when people were terrorized by the much less played Splinter Twin. I guess it's the emotional response to being comboed out versus somehow feeling like you're in the game against the Eldrazi deck even though you're frequently dead from turn 0.
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TheKingofSprings posted:The game wasn't that much smaller in New Phyrexia. rabidsquid posted:Memory Jar wasn't legal during New Phyrexia, dawg. Memory Jar has been the only emergency ban. Not sure what you were thinking of, but the game was a ton smaller in that era.
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Mikujin posted:Memory Jar has been the only emergency ban. Not sure what you were thinking of, but the game was a ton smaller in that era. Jace the Mindsculpter and Stoneforge Mystic were emergency banned. While New Phyrexia was in print.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Jace the Mindsculpter and Stoneforge Mystic were emergency banned. While New Phyrexia was in print. They weren't, they got banned on the regular schedule, they were just banned in standard.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Jace the Mindsculpter and Stoneforge Mystic were emergency banned. While New Phyrexia was in print. Newp. edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJXYMDu6dpY
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Jace the Mindsculpter and Stoneforge Mystic were emergency banned. While New Phyrexia was in print. No, they were just regular banned. SFM was even in an event deck at the time so WoTC had to specify that if you ran that event deck unmodified it would still be fine to play it in that context. I think there was also a preemptive restriction of Mind's Desire in Vintage too.
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Cactrot posted:all of the answers cost enough that the fast mana of the Eldrazi decks have near lethal on board before you can deploy your answers I don't understand why you are arguing with me. I totally expect Eye to be banned. I just personally don't want to see it happen because playing these decks is fun. The sideboard argument is kind of dumb because if affinity didn't exist no one would play hurkyl's recall or stony silence. That's what sideboards are, responses to the meta to increase your chances against specific decks. Of course no one would play the anti Eldrazi SB cards if Eldrazi didn't exist.
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What's great is that in this case a weird edge case card (Squadron Hawk) likely was actually the culprit for the engine being too busted and might have been okay without it, but I think the Batterskull life gain mirrors probably still would annoyed people. There was actually a ton of viable poo poo during the Cawblade era, although Cawblade was still really busted and also the actual most fun deck of all-time to play. God the Cawblade tech was great. Splashing Inferno Titan and Frost Titan as mirror tech  edit: loving Cunning Sparkmage / Basilisk Collar tech
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Cactrot posted:They weren't, they got banned on the regular schedule, they were just banned in standard. What release did the ban coincide with? The ban was like in June, I don't remember any set being released that month. EDIT: Did they announce the ban way ahead of time? Maybe that's why I remember it being disconnected from a set release. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I don't understand why you are arguing with me. I totally expect Eye to be banned. I just personally don't want to see it happen because playing these decks is fun. You're seriously arguing that this is healthy because:
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rabidsquid posted:What's great is that in this case a weird edge case card (Squadron Hawk) likely was actually the culprit for the engine being too busted and might have been okay without it, but I think the Batterskull life gain mirrors probably still would annoyed people. There was actually a ton of viable poo poo during the Cawblade era, although Cawblade was still really busted and also the actual most fun deck of all-time to play. It's too bad SCG is in charge of naming poo poo now and instead of Cawblade we get UR Eldrazi. I mean someone can surely come up with better names than that. rabidsquid posted:You're seriously arguing that this is healthy because: There seems to be a disconnect here somewhere.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:What release did the ban coincide with? The ban was like in June, I don't remember any set being released that month. It coincided with the release of the ban and restricted list update
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Ciprian Maricon posted:What release did the ban coincide with? The ban was like in June, I don't remember any set being released that month. Were banned and restricted announcements even tied to set releases back then? I don't think Pro Tours were yet.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:What release did the ban coincide with? The ban was in June, I don't remember any set being released that month. The B&R update didn't line up with set releases in the past. Are people (not necessarily here) seriously suggesting that Eye and Temple won't get banned because the archetype didn't win? Do they think Wizards only looks at final results and no other factors?
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rabidsquid posted:It coincided with the release of the ban and restricted list update  how is it that i can remember the month of the announcement but not that, christ
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BJPaskoff posted:The B&R update didn't line up with set releases in the past. Nope just hoping it delays it a bit.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I don't understand why you are arguing with me. I totally expect Eye to be banned. I just personally don't want to see it happen because playing these decks is fun. What Eldrazi sideboard cards? Worship and Ensnaring Bridge blank a lot of the format, in fact a lot of people have had a problem with that being a thing.
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So I did some back of the envelope tallying: of the 425 non-land cards in the top 8, 214 had a color. Of those, 37 were phyrexian spells. Jeff Hoogland's Kiki-Chord deck ran 62 cards in the main. Gutshots outnumbered Lightning Bolts. There were 19 Dismembers, and every single deck ran at least 1.
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Dismember is nice. Lets all colors/non-colors have access to some type of removal.
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Finally, UW is good in Modern again.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Finally, UW is good in Modern again. Somewhere, a monkey's paw retracts a finger.
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whoa, when did foil time spiral ancient grudges go up? edit: ABUgames still has a bunch Molybdenum fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Molybdenum posted:whoa, when did foil time spiral ancient grudges go up? Around the same time foil Rending Volleys hit $20. Which was like a month and a half ago I think?
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Im actually expecting them to wait till SoI to see if that sorts out the Eldrazi problem, Madness will be great against reality smasher. Also I legitimately think they should just ban Mimic to stomp out completely the ridiculous aggro kills, ontop of banning Eye.
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Rimusutera posted:Im actually expecting them to wait till SoI to see if that sorts out the Eldrazi problem, Madness will be great against reality smasher. They're gonna ride out this wave of selling a billion OGW packs as long as they can. If Modern GP numbers take a nosedive they might step in.
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Brownhat posted:They're gonna ride out this wave of selling a billion OGW packs as long as they can. If Modern GP numbers take a nosedive they might step in. This is exactly why I dont think they'll act till SoI, yeah. They might be planning to print decent hosers in that set first, mainly aimed at Standard rather than modern but affecting the latter incidentally, and see how that shakes it up. Really they should just ban Mimic and Eye now.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:It's too bad SCG is in charge of naming poo poo now and instead of Cawblade we get UR Eldrazi. I mean someone can surely come up with better names than that.
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