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I gave a recruiter a .docx before and ended up being asked questions about a heavily-edited version of my own resume in an interview. Never again.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Why does it even matter? I just use doc(x) because that's what we were told to use in school, so I never bothered to change that habit. Don't just do what you're told, think about it logically. Submitting a PDF means there will be no issues with potential formatting or rendering or fonts or alignment or whatever of any kind, it won't be editable, etc. You should never submit a non-PDF résumé, like the above guy said recruiters might edit the gently caress out of it too.
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Feb 21, 2016 23:04
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Thanks Ants posted:I gave a recruiter a .docx before and ended up being asked questions about a heavily-edited version of my own resume in an interview. Never again. This. I almost didn't get my previous job because the recruiter decided to spruce up my resumé. When questioned on a thing or two, I gave an honest response. They asked me why my resumé said differently. I had to bite back my response of, essentially, "what the gently caress" because I figured I would come off poorly trying to tell them that's not what my resumé said.
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Feb 21, 2016 23:19
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I'm not convinced I'd have been able to hold back to be honest. I did actually end up getting the role and then a year later was asked to evaluate some applicants for new positions, at which point I dropped that recruiting company and told them exactly why. gently caress em.
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Feb 21, 2016 23:25
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i'll shitbarn a word doc resume because the mere fact you sent it in that format tells me you have terrible decision making skills. hell it even saves me having to look up your facebook profile to find documented history of bad ideas.
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Feb 21, 2016 23:47
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I wouldn't fault a SysAdmin for using a Word Document but PDFs are the gold standard. Use PDFs.
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Feb 21, 2016 23:52
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Why does it even matter? I just use doc(x) because that's what we were told to use in school, so I never bothered to change that habit. Personally, I use PDF for two reasons. It's less likely to be "improved" or "fixed" by someone else. Also, the formatting, fonts, and layout is locked in. I don't need to worry about layout or font weirdness going from Libre to MS to WordPerfect to Pages or whatever.
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Feb 21, 2016 23:56
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flosofl posted:Personally, I use PDF for two reasons. It's less likely to be "improved" or "fixed" by someone else. Also, the formatting, fonts, and layout is locked in. I don't need to worry about layout or font weirdness going from Libre to MS to WordPerfect to Pages or whatever. Agreed, I've got specific formatting with a table where I dump all the buzzwords. There's a chance if you view it with the wrong word processor its unreadable. A PDFs is static, there's just the Adobe Reader and nothing else.
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Feb 22, 2016 00:02
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Is it possible to find part time entry level positions in IT? I like building and working on computers physically and trouble shooting them, but I'm not sure what to look for or where to start. I also get the feeling that there aren't any entry level positions for this. Any advice would be appreciated. I live in a large mid-west city so hopefully if there are someone can give me a name or two of what to search for in job listings.
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Feb 22, 2016 00:31
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Microwaves Mom posted:Is it possible to find part time entry level positions in IT? Help Desk is generally entry level. You'd be hard pressed to find a job where you'd really do any PC building or hardware troubleshooting.
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Feb 22, 2016 00:42
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go3 posted:i'll shitbarn a word doc resume because the mere fact you sent it in that format tells me you have terrible decision making skills. hell it even saves me having to look up your facebook profile to find documented history of bad ideas. People have really strange reasons to disqualify candidates.
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Feb 22, 2016 00:54
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I thought the whole point of submitting in .docx was to have a super tiny table that contains a ridiculous amount of buzzwords to get past the computer filter. I suppose it would work with pdf too. Does that trick even still work?
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Feb 22, 2016 00:57
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CLAM DOWN posted:Don't just do what you're told, think about it logically. Submitting a PDF means there will be no issues with potential formatting or rendering or fonts or alignment or whatever of any kind, it won't be editable, etc. You should never submit a non-PDF résumé, like the above guy said recruiters might edit the gently caress out of it too. I hadn't thought about the formatting at all. Before I apply to any new jobs, I'll export the resume to .PDF and save the .docx version for future editing.
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Feb 22, 2016 01:28
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docx is your source code pdf is your compiled binary 
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Feb 22, 2016 01:57
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H110Hawk posted:docx is your source code pdf is your compiled binary Yeah I'm astonished at the > 0 number of people treating docx as an allowable format in which to send a resume. Do you want Shittina McHRperson with her 30" monitor running at 800x600 to pull up your docx in Word 2007 with all the bullet points spanning five lines instead of one and the tables all hosed up? "Well this looks terrible, and this person works with computers? S/he obviously doesn't know how to use computers". Not to mention the editability point of view. I mean sure, you CAN edit PDFs, but it's definitely an advanced operation for most users (and most don't have full Acrobat or Nitro or whatever anyway), as opposed to "oh this is a
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Feb 22, 2016 02:19
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Ugato posted:This. I almost didn't get my previous job because the recruiter decided to spruce up my resumé. When questioned on a thing or two, I gave an honest response. They asked me why my resumé said differently. I had to bite back my response of, essentially, "what the gently caress" because I figured I would come off poorly trying to tell them that's not what my resumé said. You don't bring 4 hard copies of your resume to every interview? Just show them the correct resume and give them a quick apology on behalf of the recruiting company who must have tripped in to their keyboard while the resume was open. I learned that lesson the hard way after going to an interview and unexpectedly spoke with a VP who immediately told me he didn't print the resume. I only brought one copy, which the hr lady kept. Interview was pretty much over at that point.
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Feb 22, 2016 02:33
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I hadn't thought about the formatting at all. Before I apply to any new jobs, I'll export the resume to .PDF and save the .docx version for future editing. Atta boy
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Feb 22, 2016 02:39
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Yeah, I have no problem changing habits, I just don't unless I have a reason. At least I wasn't using .rtf, that has had formatting errors on the same computer as I wrote it on.
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Feb 22, 2016 02:47
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Judge Schnoopy posted:You don't bring 4 hard copies of your resume to every interview? Just show them the correct resume and give them a quick apology on behalf of the recruiting company who must have tripped in to their keyboard while the resume was open. Well, I do now. I'm usually very prepared. It was my first time having an interview through a recruiter, though, so I had no idea what to expect. Thankfully they were already impressed and the changes were minor enough that a "oh, sorry about that" was sufficient. The recruiter actually fessed up a couple months later when I was on the interviewer team and the HR guy who initially questioned me wanted to get a jab in about it - "that might have been me" - it was actually kind of a nice moment. So now I can laugh at it. But yeah I won't take that chance again because if I lost a job opportunity because of someone else I'd be livid.
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Feb 22, 2016 02:47
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Sickening posted:People have really strange reasons to disqualify candidates. it beats trying to figure out which candidate is the idiot by looking at certifications and experience
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Feb 22, 2016 05:16
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Go for super geek Cred and write it in latex
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Feb 22, 2016 05:26
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jaegerx posted:Go for super geek Cred and write it in latex
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Feb 22, 2016 05:57
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adorai posted:At first I wasn't thinking about the text editor, despite the context, and thought that would be more of a super kink cred. Probably depends where he's applying if that might work better.
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Feb 22, 2016 06:09
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PBS posted:Help Desk is generally entry level. Bummer on the pc maint / building. I'll shoot out some help desk resumes. Any general advice of things to put on the resume?
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Feb 22, 2016 07:19
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I won't sit here and tell you NOT to send as PDF, but I'm going to parrot the same ol' line: Build a relationship with a recruiter (or three) that you trust. I ask for resumes in Word format because I edit resumes all day. Not for content (unless you write it), but the vast majority of resumes I see have some form of typo, formatting, or grammatical error I need to fix. Example: periods after bullet points - has to be after every one or after none of them. Almost everyone makes this mistake and I have more than a few clients that pay attention to it... Also removing contact info from the resume is a must for agencies, some clients even require it. It's in both ours and your best interest (in most cases) if the company runs all contact through us for scheduling and quality control. It's my job to ensure you put your best foot forward. I can't tell you how many really poor thank you letters I've intercepted and sent back for editing. On the flip side, the formatting stuff that Potato Alley brought up is valid, but I'm not a huge fan of tables or crazy formatting anyway and normally advise against it. Anyway, just playing devil's advocate and presenting a few cases where a recruiter may request a .doc.
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Feb 22, 2016 15:04
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Virigoth posted:If you love the tech side so much I'd think hard about it. Managing people can be a huge chunk of time. The IT here likes to think that good technical people make good managers which isn't always the case. I know my boss regrets picking up 2 direct reports because it cut his tech side by like 40% Kashuno posted:Yeah my boss is sad that he never really gets to mess with the technical stuff anymore and instead just has to worry about meetings and overseeing those of us who do get the fun technical stuff The flip side of this is that you need to recognize when it's inappropriate for you to stay involved in the technical side. I've had several bosses who had more than enough pure managerial work to occupy them full time. Instead they slack on those duties (you know, "unimportant stuff" like conducting one on ones and performance reviews) to make time to randomly parachute into technical situations with no context. They're inevitably out of date on IT best practices because they've been on the management track for a while, so their input and solutions are actively harmful. It's the worst possible situation where they're both failing as a manager, and doubling as a bad individual contributor. Don't do that. It's one thing if you're a Team Lead, where you're still actually an individual contributor who also happens to set direction and mentor the team. It's another if you're a straight up manager. At that point it's negligent and harmful to keep dicking around with the day-to-day stuff instead of your actual job which is to manage humans. If that's not fun for you, you shouldn't have taken the job.
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Feb 22, 2016 15:43
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I usually ask the recruiter if they are going to make changes (after giving them my latest copy), and if they are, ask if they can show it to me before sending it out. Just means there should be no surprises.
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Feb 22, 2016 15:57
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jaegerx posted:Go for super geek Cred and write it in latex 
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Feb 22, 2016 17:17
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I generally send a PDF unless asked otherwise. At the very least, it ensures the formatting won't get hosed. I've had some places demand a word doc, though.
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Feb 22, 2016 17:22
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I've seen recruiters ask for a Word doc and then shoehorn their own company's header into it and it fucks up the formatting real bad. gently caress recruiters.
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Feb 22, 2016 17:50
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Yeah, I have no problem changing habits, I just don't unless I have a reason. I save a re-formatted version of my resume in .txt for those stupid upload forms that require you to paste a resume in.
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Feb 22, 2016 17:51
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Why are we debating PDF vs Word when any HR department worth their salt is going to make me re-enter my resume line by line in their application questionnaire anyway?
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Feb 22, 2016 18:05
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anthonypants posted:I've seen recruiters ask for a Word doc and then shoehorn their own company's header into it and it fucks up the formatting real bad. gently caress recruiters. Yeah, I get what Dark Helmut is saying I guess, but I would never ever ever send recruiters a .doc résumé. If there's a mistake, they can either tell me, or let it stand and I can suffer the consequences.
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Feb 22, 2016 18:09
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Why are we debating PDF vs Word when any HR department worth their salt is going to make me re-enter my resume line by line in their application questionnaire anyway? Don't forget the physical paper application you'll still have to fill out in TYOOL 2016, too!
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Feb 22, 2016 18:14
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Why are we debating PDF vs Word when any HR department worth their salt is going to make me re-enter my resume line by line in their application questionnaire anyway? I like when they let you upload your resume and then make you fill out a questionnaire with the same information. Bonus points if it's all drop downs and you can't copy/paste.
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Feb 22, 2016 18:18
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Dark Helmut posted:I won't sit here and tell you NOT to send as PDF, but I'm going to parrot the same ol' line: Build a relationship with a recruiter (or three) that you trust. What area are you recruiting in again?
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^^^ I'm in Richmond, VA, sometimes recruiting for DC/Norfolk too, but my company has offices in a number of other cities ^^^CLAM DOWN posted:Yeah, I get what Dark Helmut is saying I guess, but I would never ever ever send recruiters a .doc résumé. If there's a mistake, they can either tell me, or let it stand and I can suffer the consequences. As always it comes down to having a good relationship. My only goal in editing your resume is to make you NOT look stupid, and encompassed in that is NOT changing your content or whacking out your formatting. If someone jacks your resume just to get a logo on it, you're right anthonypants - they are an rear end in a top hat. I can't tell you how many hours of my life I've spent trying to make resumes pretty again. But again to play devil's advocate, my admin has a copy of Acrobat and I'll have her convert your precious .pdf to .doc in a heartbeat if I need so I imagine lovely agencies can do the same.
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Does anyone have a link to any guides or best practices when cabling racks? I've always tried to use common sense and cable things up neatly but it never ends up as perfect as I want it to. Stuff like should you be putting switches at the top of racks? Where should the patch panels be located and so on. This subject is a bit hard to google because you end up with a bunch of cable management vendors all pimping their "systems" with very little substance.
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Feb 23, 2016 06:55
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Dark Helmut posted:I won't sit here and tell you NOT to send as PDF, but I'm going to parrot the same ol' line: Build a relationship with a recruiter (or three) that you trust. I actually had this same thing come up today. I had a recruiter call me and asked specifically for a Word document version. So I sent her the docx. It's Teksystems, who had a good reputation at my last job, two of the Tier 2 / System Administrators were from there. I really like the recruiter. Unless she's lying through her teeth (which I would find out almost immediately) she seems like one of the few good ones I have experience with. The other person that contacted me and didn't specifically ask, I sent a .pdf. Also, I'm trying not to get super hyped, but the Teksystems recruiter wants to submit me for a NOC job at $28.50 hourly on contract. The contract would end almost exactly when I want to move, so that's perfect. My last job I was making $17/hr as T1 helpdesk. There I would get to configure routers and get Cisco experience. There is occasional night shift and weekend work, but that's WFH and if there's overtime I'd be getting something like $42.75/hour. A year ago I was making $15.40 an hour in a dead end field technician job while working a 12 day on, 2 day off schedule. This would be an amazing turnaround. 22 Eargesplitten fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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I've never had a good results when working with teksystems either as interviewer or candidate But this would be their UK branch I get to deal with
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