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I am guessing you can't gut one of those G5s and stick standard PC parts in them.
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oohhboy posted:I am guessing you can't gut one of those G5s and stick standard PC parts in them. Apple already did that.. A few years later.
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Feb 22, 2016 07:20
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Just google G5 to ATX conversion, you'll find lots of information and ready-made kits. I wouldn't do it to a working mac though, fortunately almost all the water cooled high end G5 powermacs sprung a leak after a couple years so there's no shortage of broken ones. I don't think Apple will experiment with water cooling again anytime soon! http://rknochenmuss.ch/G5leak/G5.html
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error1 posted:Just google G5 to ATX conversion, you'll find lots of information and ready-made kits. And thats what caused a lot of the Caps in the PSU to die.. I got really good at fixing them as I posted earlier. On the talk of business laptops and build quality, these are my two favourites (old and only running Celerons): Left is my old work HP 6910P. The security (Smartcard and Fingerprint was cool but the fingerprint enroller was buggy as poo poo and would not recognise me half the time. On the right is my Panasonic Toughbook CF-74. Not as fancy or rugged as some other models, but I have definitely abused it. Ran over it in my car by accident.  Humphreys has a new favorite as of 08:54 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Feb 22, 2016 08:43
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how in the gently caress does your laptop possibly get into being run over by your own personal vehicle? how inattentive could you possibly be?
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^I've seen a few people run over radios over the years. The old Toughbooks were supposedly tougher. We've had people at work break them by kneeling on them. Then there's my favorite, slamming your keys in them. Casimir Radon has a new favorite as of 09:40 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Humphreys posted:On the talk of business laptops and build quality, these are my two favourites (old and only running Celerons): I bought a second-hand HP Elitebook 8460p a couple of months ago as a replacement for my consumer-grade Gateway NV59c laptop. The difference in overall build quality is like night and day. Weighs a fuckton for a 14" laptop, but I'm digging the magnesium chassis, aluminum alloy hinges and lid. evobatman's right about serviceability. The Elitebook has a heavy-duty plastic cover that unlatches by sliding a lever, giving you access to drat-near everything you need to upgrade, replace or clean out. The Gateway requires you remove a dozen screws from the bottom of the case, carefully pry the case open while praying you don't snap one of the many oh-so-brittle tabs, carefully undo the 4 or 5 flat connectors holding the keyboard and trackpad in place and then undo a half-dozen other screws before you can get complete and unfettered access to the motherboard, heatsink and fan, only to discover that not a single one of the spare fans you have laying around from laptops past fit thanks to the fan's custom shroud, so it's back to Amazon to find an exact replacement from some shady reseller hawking shady parts from equally shady Chinese suppliers. Then you put everything back together only to find you broke the spring-loaded battery latch somehow and a couple of screws won't stay in because the metal thread somehow broke from its plastic surround and is now rolling around somewhere within the case, which now has hairline cracks from using just a wee bit too much force to separate the old, cheapo plastic case. My sister's Asus requires a drat-near complete dismantling just to get to the RAM modules and the battery. I shudder to think what newer laptops require, if they even let you service anything (soldered RAM, soldered battery, etc). 90s Solo Cup has a new favorite as of 10:58 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Feb 22, 2016 09:56
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Iron Prince posted:how in the gently caress does your laptop possibly get into being run over by your own personal vehicle? how inattentive could you possibly be? Late night drunken CANBUS work, giving up and going to bed, then in a rush the following morning forgetting where i had placed it.
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When I was growing up, a friend's dad was a Panasonic Sales rep who sold Toughbooks to Police departments. He really enjoyed throwing laptops at people across the room, expecting them to drop them - and they always worked fine. Throw them down the stairs. Run them over with an F-350 no problems here. This was around 2001 or so. These computers had Windows 98. Resistive touchscreens. This was the first time I had seen a touchscreen on a PC. They also had antennas in the edges of the screens for CDPD modems. Cellular Digital Packet Data. This was like a modem, but connected at like 19kbps. It seemed unusable even at that time.
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Feb 22, 2016 11:50
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Humphreys posted:Late night drunken CANBUS work, giving up and going to bed, then in a rush the following morning forgetting where i had placed it. You were messing with CANBUS on your own car? How does that work, I know CANBUS exists and cars are infested with it but I never had a car new enough.
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Feb 22, 2016 13:00
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Jerry Cotton posted:So Mac users were too stupid to buy a two-dollar switch to go between the outlet and the plug? You can operate a switch with your foot. LIFE HACK What's your deal with hating apple/mac users? It's like you're an autistic time traveler nobody invited
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UIApplication posted:What's your deal with hating apple/mac users? It's like you're an autistic time traveler nobody invited 
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shovelbum posted:You were messing with CANBUS on your own car? How does that work, I know CANBUS exists and cars are infested with it but I never had a car new enough. You can buy a USB cable that hooks to the connector under your dash really cheaply, or even a dongle that transmits CANbus info via Bluetooth. The software is free/cheap.
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Tubesock Holocaust posted:so it's back to Amazon to find an exact replacement from some shady reseller hawking shady parts from equally shady Chinese suppliers. Then you put everything back together only to find you broke the spring-loaded battery latch somehow and a couple of screws won't stay in because the metal thread somehow broke from its plastic surround and is now rolling around somewhere within the case, which now has hairline cracks from using just a wee bit too much force to separate the old, cheapo plastic case. This. Laptops are a current fad, and I don't understand people who eagerly buy them without regard for their long-term serviceability. The end users are actively supporting vendor lock-in and all the negative things that come with this - what's even worse, there is no standard as to how laptops are put together. It's like buying a car with the hub welded shut, when something inevitably goes wrong down the road, these once proud owners of their laptops are going to fork over serious money just to rescue some of the data from their failing computers. Perhaps the people who hawk laptops are aware of the fact that failing laptops will bring them more business at a later date - any joe schmoe can replace parts for literal pennies in a failing modular desktop. That being said, I like desktops because they're DIY friendly. The cpu fan in my box started rumbling (worn out bearings causing the spindle to gyrate) and I didn't have a spare fan at my hands but that didn't matter, I had a dozen of spare general-purpose fans. I junked the worn out fan and put in a general purpose one, keeping the expensive heatsink, and fastening the fan to the block with an old copper telephone wire. I didn't even have to remove the heatsink to do this.  Fake edit: look at all the dust in my computer. That amount of dust would have choked a laptop ten times already.
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I hate laptops because everyone asks me to fix them. The problem is I know enough about computers to build a desktop and install an OS, I'm no guru. In any case,, like a poster above me said, it's mostly pulling their old data off which I have a hard drive enclosure for. Take ownership, copy whatever data on to a thumb drive and say "here ya go, can't fix your laptop but at least you have your data"
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I won't deny the usefulness of laptops in certain roles, but having a laptop as a primary computer is not very bright. I can't shake the feeling that laptops are being hawked since they aren't very user serviceable, ie desktops are too easy to keep running. If Fluffy pees on a modular keyboard, any moron can afford to pay $10 and buy a new keyboard, or if Fluffy decides to hunt a mouse pointer on the screen and scuffs the LCD - just plug in a new one and get it over with - monitors are very cheap these days. If you have a laptop, both of those need to be repaired at the workshop.
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I'll admit that lenovo's 3-year next day in place warranty has spoiled me a bit - having to send a laptop off to be repaired (which always takes bloody forever) is incredibly annoying, and a good reason for having a desktop handy. (For no clear reason Lenovo Norway gives you the nice business warranty by default on the T/X/W series, even as a private person buying through a random webshop.)
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Feb 22, 2016 17:01
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Laptops are good for doing work and making money
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UIApplication posted:Laptops are good for doing work and making money If I commuted by train/bus to work, I'd buy me a laptop post haste so I can get work done while sitting on the train (and so that I can later slack off at work.) Seriously, when you're commuting for like an hour every day, soon it would get mighty boring - what would you do, stare out the window? Read newspapers? gently caress no. edit: this is about the only reason I can think of that would make me buy a laptop. The market is saturated with cheap, reliable and fast desktops - this is a great thing if you're an end user, but it's not very good from a dealer/manufacturer point of view as the profit margins on these things have become very thin. It would make sense to push (inferior but more versatile) laptops since it's still possible to eke out a decent profit margin in this sector. A SWEATY FATBEARD has a new favorite as of 17:23 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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A SWEATY FATBEARD posted:Seriously, when you're commuting for like an hour every day, soon it would get mighty boring - what would you do, stare out the window? Read newspapers? gently caress no. Post on SA.
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Read forums on phone, duh
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Where the hell do you live where trains have enough room during morning commute traffic to do that? The trains here are goddamn sardine cans between 6 and 8 am.Doctor Bombadil posted:Post on SA. Data Graham posted:Read forums on phone, duh So I did this instead 
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Mak0rz posted:Where the hell do you live where trains have enough room during morning commute traffic to do that? The trains here are goddamn sardine cans between 6 and 8 am. Their parents' houses are at the very end of the commuter rail lines, so they get first dibs on seats going in
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A SWEATY FATBEARD posted:This. Laptops are a current fad, and I don't understand people who eagerly buy them without regard for their long-term serviceability. Ah yes, the well-known but short-lived "laptop" fad of 1990-2016. Consider also the cell phone fad (1995-2016), the automobile fad (1908-2016), and the mass-produced book fad (1440-2016).
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I agree with my euro friend ASF, laptops are junk
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Whenever I buy a new computer, I take some time to carefully drop it on my foot. If it doesn't result in an injury requiring two weeks of hospitalization, I send it back as a dud.
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What kind of broke loser buys a computer with long-term cost of ownership as a factor? Of course it's going to be obsolete and broken in 4 years, it's a computer, that's what they do. And if you aren't gaming or rendering you don't really need much processing power anyways; it's not like Excel or Salesforce get sweet graphics with a lightning-fast desktop. Computers and phones are disposable to 99% of the people anyways. I mean my laptop got a bit of beer on the keyboard and I am eyeballing a new one even though the only thing wrong with it is that two keys sometimes don't work for a couple presses.
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Tumble posted:What kind of broke loser buys a computer with long-term cost of ownership as a factor? Of course it's going to be obsolete and broken in 4 years, it's a computer, that's what they do. I think gaming is the main thing for anyone with an income, a gaming laptop is going to be a janky terrible giant monster and if you work on an oil rig or whatever other weird case, go play xbox with the other hundred dudes you're inevitably stuck with anywhere a gaming laptop makes any sense.
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Gaming laptops have never made sense.
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I will say that I did play Battlefield 4, on higher settings on a laptop with a beefy card and processor, as well as using 4G tethering from a smartphone. That was actually impressive. Not $2000 impressive, which I'm sure that thing cost, but still impressive.
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It's a bad time to buy hardware right now if you want longevity, at least without putting down a lot of money.
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Former PC guy, now Mac guy saying: depends on the laptop. I've been using the same mid-2012 MBP with zero problems since the day I bought it, and it still runs like a champ with one RAM upgrade and one SSD upgrade. And I use the hell out of it. It's my work computer (I'm self-employed, & it's the company computer) and the household computer/goof-off machine. I travel with it constantly. I *never* got this sort of durability out of any of my PC laptops, but I can see now they were always built to be disposable, more or less. You pay double/triple for an Apple product, but you get that much more time out of it. "Laptops" don't belong in this thread. My laptop plus it's external monitor, keyboard & wireless mouse are indistinguishable from a desktop, as far as my needs are concerned. I don't game on this machine, but gaming rigs are part of a different discussion.
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Lincoln posted:You pay double/triple for an Apple product, but you get that much more time out of it. This also hasn't been true for a long time (since the Intel switchover at the very least), unless you're just comparing "the absolutely cheapest PC laptop VS the absolutely cheapest Mac laptop".
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My daily work laptop is a 2008 Thinkpad x61. It's what I use at home or on travel; at the office I have a modern desktop. The thinkpad is rock loving solid.
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Another relic I remembered from back in the day... My first external hard drive enclosure. Parallel Port!!! Think I had 100 Mb hard drive in it and drivers that loaded from a DOS boot disk. How you external hard drived before USB. 
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Lincoln posted:Former PC guy, now Mac guy saying: depends on the laptop. I've been using the same mid-2012 MBP with zero problems since the day I bought it, and it still runs like a champ with one RAM upgrade and one SSD upgrade. And I use the hell out of it. It's my work computer (I'm self-employed, & it's the company computer) and the household computer/goof-off machine. I travel with it constantly. Same, my 2008 MBP (first gen unibody) has had an SSD put in, but originally came with maxed out ram runs better than it did when it was new. It's been down many times, including two at denver airport security, and again down a flight of stairs in dallas. Still gets used every single day, the only hardware issue it's ever had is a recent one, the touchpad is sort of finnicky sometimes, but other than that it's rock solid. Cosmetically, it's been better days but hey, it gives it character.
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I think if you're comparing a MBP you'll need to compare it to a business grade laptop for a fair comparison. I've had various HP laptops through work and they've been beefy as hell. On the other hand I bought a cheap laptop and it required a full on disassemble to add RAM and the battery is non replaceable.
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Ziptar posted:Another relic I remembered from back in the day... My first external hard drive enclosure. Parallel Port!!! Think I had 100 Mb hard drive in it and drivers that loaded from a DOS boot disk. Even USB was annoying to use until XP. When I was working in a computer store, there was a laptop with Windows 2000 on it. I plugged in a flash drive in order to put some software on it forgot that 2000 didn't have the USB drivers included. I had to connect it to the internet, find the USB drivers and then I could move the files over.
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