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Proletariat Beowulf posted:I think formations & Decurions were a brilliant idea: encourage the different play-styles within an army by offering buffs for taking fluffy portions in your lists. Play each army's specialists & combos to their strengths; offer multiple choices & builds per each formation so that they can be executed differently; fill in allies list weaknesses by having special rules & bonuses that shore up your army's shortfalls; really endless possibilities. Yeah, I don't think the idea itself is a bad one and I was actually excited when they came out. Like I said, the Stormtrooper ones are super fluffy and reasonably effective. Other games use similar things all the time. I think just the sheer number of them and the benefits most of them offer aren't good for the game.
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Those Genestealer Cult and Deathwatch models are loving sick. I'm glad they didn't go whole hog on the Deathwatch models. We don't need any more Wulfen. I'll be the first to say that motorcycles are loving stupid in 40k, but I really like the White Scar biker. That and my homie, the Raven Guard assault marine. I had a great game of 40k today: 1850, NOVA "Crusade" mission. I brought my Steel Legion, he had Tyranids. He wanted to play a more "Competitive" game to see how his new Dimachaeron (or whatever) played on the tabletop. His army was a classic low-model count flying circus: 3 Flyrants, 2 Mawlocs, Dimachaeron in a spore, 2 Crones, 3 Lictors, a Malanthrope, and 4 big spores for troops. I had a CCS, a 2-squad platoon with 2 autocannons, 2 Vet squads in chimeras, a vendetta, 2 Wyverns, an ADL with a quad gun, and a Steel Host with Pask in a Punisher, a Demolisher squaddie, 2 Eradicators and a Hydra. I won handily because I chose progressive scoring and he couldn't catch up. Small-model-count lists don't really allow for any tactical mistakes, and he made a couple in deployment: keeping most of his units in reserve because he was scared of my shooting. They came on piece-meal, and I was able to aptly hold the line. Takeaways: Pask in a Punisher is still crazy awesome. Eradicators are fantastic for their points (Wyverns, too, but we all knew that). Flyrants are pretty darn good, but they go away real quick if they land. Mawlocs are super underwhelming. Demolishers are still kinda terrible. It was a great game, though. It reinforced the #1 rule of 40k in 2016: play with people you know. Even though it was a "competitive" atmosphere, I still had a lot of fun because my opponent is a cool dude.
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The Sex Cannon posted:It was a great game, though. It reinforced the #1 rule of 40k in 2016: play with people you know. Even though it was a "competitive" atmosphere, I still had a lot of fun because my opponent is a cool dude. I got a bunch of Forgeworld Kommando bitz and metal Kommandos in a lot on eBay and I'm really curious why the dude who had these before only used the banners and one specific head from the Forgeworld kits. That's a lot of money to spend for just a banner and a head.
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Feb 22, 2016 05:31
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Ignite Memories posted:Why, why won't they just give orks good rules Remember when Orks were briefly the best army in the game, because of a bunch of things that GW totally failed to anticipate players would do with wound allocation shenanigans and playing 1200pt deathstars in a 1500pt game? The fact that the archetypal horde army was only good for a short window when players used it in the absolute opposite way to how you'd imagine sums up GW's whole problem with rules design.
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Feb 22, 2016 13:57
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My mates and I rigged up a basic fandex which gave Boyz FNP and modified the WAAGH to make it better, along with small things like 5+ invuln on MANs. It was designed for 30k balance where things like volkite wreck Orks. I could PDF it and put it on here if people were interested as we got positive feedback. Other changes off the top of my head were specialists being attached to squads, grots being used as cover save Shields but being killed and stormboyz getting krak grenades.
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Feb 22, 2016 14:08
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Ebay is a hell of a drug, but the good news is that I now have enough bits and boxes to make a fully customized CSM starter army, all without going over my $100 budget. Now comes the slow process of building, customizing and painting to a super high standard. (Somehow managed to get all of the Forgeworld renegade torsos that I needed for a max size squad for less than $20 due to the guy misspelling chaos and no one else bidding on the lot. Thanks Independent Characters Podcast for the tip about purposely misspelling things!)
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Feb 22, 2016 15:11
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I've never figured out why it wasn't 'Grots can't be selected as targets if there are any Orks within x", and Orks within x" of Grots get a y+ save, any passed save kills a Grot. Grots always fail Morale." That makes Grots tougher near Orks (which is kinda thematic, or at least braver because you'll be rolling on Ork T4, meaning they live longer near Orks), lets Orks use Grots as shields (thematic) they run away the moment they're getting messed up, (very thematic) and lets you have hordes of panicking Grots running about, causing cover saves.
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Feb 22, 2016 15:11
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Shockeh posted:I've never figured out why it wasn't 'Grots can't be selected as targets if there are any Orks within x", and Orks within x" of Grots get a y+ save, any passed save kills a Grot. Grots always fail Morale." The answer is because you had to spend a few minutes thinking about the rules for Grots to come up with that, and care about the rules for Orks in the first place
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Feb 22, 2016 15:23
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Bought a Tyberos from someone at my FLGS! He's awesome, but I've never worked with FW resin before. What are the odds this guy is a recast? I am paranoid.
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Just getting back in after years away, playing a friendly 2v2 game with my mostly skimmer and jetbike Dark Eldar. What's that neat looking tank called? A Sicarian? Your heavy weapons guardsman squads get an order that lets them ignore what now? ....oh 
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Lord Twisted posted:My mates and I rigged up a basic fandex which gave Boyz FNP and modified the WAAGH to make it better, along with small things like 5+ invuln on MANs. It was designed for 30k balance where things like volkite wreck Orks. I could PDF it and put it on here if people were interested as we got positive feedback. Please post it. I'd be more than happy to collaborate in updating everything & anything. You aren't the guy on Dakka that started his own Codex & Orkcurion, are you? Found that on a Google search. I'd like to fix a few special rules (like bringing back the double initiative from Power of the WAAAGH!, Orkanauts as Super-Heavies, Cowardly Grots!) & point costs.
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Feb 22, 2016 16:24
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:Bought a Tyberos from someone at my FLGS! He's awesome, but I've never worked with FW resin before. What are the odds this guy is a recast? I am paranoid. Could be just rubbish photo quality, but like 99%
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Feb 22, 2016 16:35
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Is it a perfect cast? If so, then yes.
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Feb 22, 2016 16:36
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:Bought a Tyberos from someone at my FLGS! He's awesome, but I've never worked with FW resin before. What are the odds this guy is a recast? I am paranoid. Check the mold lines. If you see a pair of them next to each other that's a dead giveaway. Most Forgeworld resin I've gotten has been a darker grey but there's some variation. Even if it is a recast, it's a dope model so who cares.
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Feb 22, 2016 16:39
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FW generally has two types of resin. Dark grey and light grey.
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Feb 22, 2016 16:47
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He really looks like a recast, hope you didn't pay close to FW value. Not that it matters much at this point, so enjoy your awesome carcharodon.
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I took another picture with better lighting. I already bought him, so I'm going to use him. I mostly want to know if it can be used as a measure for FW quality before I order anything directly from them.
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:Please post it. I'd be more than happy to collaborate in updating everything & anything. You aren't the guy on Dakka that started his own Codex & Orkcurion, are you? Found that on a Google search. I'll fix it up later then. Link to dakka? Isn't us but want to make sure no filthy grots have stolen ideas from our blog Haha.
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:I took another picture with better lighting. I already bought him, so I'm going to use him. I mostly want to know if it can be used as a measure for FW quality before I order anything directly from them. That is a much more FW like colour. Doesn't mean much though, grey resin is kind of default . What makes you think it might be?
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Feb 22, 2016 17:18
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Bigger picture = I think he's legit actually.
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Feb 22, 2016 17:20
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If you can't tell, why should we
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That sheen is a hallmark of Forge World resin so it might be legit.
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Safety Factor posted:That sheen is a hallmark of Forge World resin so it might be legit.
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Alright, so it could really go either way. In that case, I won't look a (not quite) gift shark in the mouth.TTerrible posted:That is a much more FW like colour. Doesn't mean much though, grey resin is kind of default . What makes you think it might be? I'm probably just being paranoid.
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Even after removing all mould release you may have small sections (usually domed/curved) that are perfectly mirror smooth. This is also bad and can cause paint to slide off. Instead of using a really aggressive toothy primer; grab a very fine abrasive like ceramic hob cleaner, brasso or toothpaste and give the offending bits a very gentle tub. Don't do it hard or for very long, keep rinsing and checking to see when the sheen has gone. I've had this on contemptor bodies and the domed turrets on fellblades and sicarans. I've never had if on infantry but I thought I'd mention it while we're having resin chat.
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:Alright, so it could really go either way. In that case, I won't look a (not quite) gift shark in the mouth. Chiming in to agree that this is almost assuredly a legit FW model. The resins that recasters use don't look like that.
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based chinaman is a hero to the people
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How badly has the rise of recasters impacted the resale price of legit FW? I've got an unpainted Ork Mega Dread and Warboss on bike I'm looking to shift and I want to know how much to expect.
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Miles O'Brian posted:How badly has the rise of recasters impacted the resale price of legit FW? I just assume any forgeworld on ebay is a recast tbh. Its easier than trying to work out the real stuff and since its rarely any worse I don't think it really matters.
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Lord Twisted posted:I'll fix it up later then. Link to dakka? Isn't us but want to make sure no filthy grots have stolen ideas from our blog Haha. Never thought I'd see that typed out here.  http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/664333.page
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A lot of the  I've seen has had better QA than Forge World.
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Feb 22, 2016 19:00
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some people will pay more for legit FW with "proof" (like the baggies and poo poo) but recasts have dropped the bottom out of the market imoTTerrible posted:A lot of the All of the counterfeit models I've run into have very few mold defects compared to actual FW stuff. It's almost as if they actually, you know, look at the pieces before they throw them in bags to sell them I've never actually bought a recast on purpose; I did buy some "Finecast" Warp Spiders off of eBay a long time ago that turned out to be recasts. Phyresis fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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has less flash, less sprue, less air bubbles and less translucency than FW models in my experience. You can get additional beading in hard corners (which is easy to reform into sharp edges with a knife), however I've had much less issues with resin being too thin and the slightest touch breaking through panels that weren't filled correctly or pockmarks from air bubbles all over the models.Phyresis posted:All of the counterfeit models I've run into have very few mold defects compared to actual FW stuff. It's almost as if they actually, you know, look at the pieces before they throw them in bags to sell them Basically this.
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Last I checked the resin is very, very brittle no? As in, thin parts break off really easy.
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Yeah, recaster resin seems to be both more brittle and less dense than FW resin. It's really easy to snap.
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serious gaylord posted:I just assume any forgeworld on ebay is a recast tbh. Its easier than trying to work out the real stuff and since its rarely any worse I don't think it really matters. There's a couple on the ebay UK site that sell Forge World that is primed black...I assume those are recast but I think the guys selling bitz and whatnot are mostly legit, but who knows. I've bought a few Forge World models that included the bags and instructions, which makes me very confident they're the real deal. I had an interesting purchase last week finding a cheap Wraithknight for an Apocalypse game last weekend. The guy was selling an 'as new' kit without instructions and took an offer for £50 instead of the £55 asking price. He had zero feedback but with ebay and Paypal protection I took a chance and got the kit. When I got it the parts weren't on sprue as I expected, so I couldn't tell if any bits were missing and I gave the guy a neutral feedback. Once I started assembling it became obvious it's a recast (messy sprue connections on small pieces, lots of flash on larger pieces, double mold lines on curved pieces), so I reported the guy through ebay and he came back offering a £20 refund instead of taking the kit back and giving all the money back. I'd already built and magnetized it, so I demanded a £30 refund after giving him a rundown of the cost of recast Wraithknight kits and saying I could report him to ebay and Games Workshop, so now I have a recast Wraithknight. I have other recast kits I've purchased from goons itt, but at least I knew they were recast ahead of time. Anyway, the point is, it's not just Forge World stuff that's sold as original on ebay. The color of the grey was very very close to the grey plastic, but it is much easier to snap than the plastic and the current Forge World resin.
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Most recast stuff I've gotten has been brittle as hell and reeked like carcinogen. What NOVA events are goons hitting up? I can tell the invitational wouldn't be my scene, but the narrative stuff and trio tournament could be fun. Or is somebody setting up something like the SRM Cup this year?
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I think WhiteOutMouse and I are doing the Warlord Narrative, and there's a number of Kill Team events that I'm going to do too. I'd like to set up the SRM cup this year, definitely.
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Any Seattle goons want to eventually get some HoR Kill Team action going on this summer?
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TTerrible posted:A lot of the Quoted for truth, I bought one kit from FW like 16 years ago at the US Gamesday. The conversion piece to a falcon to turn it into a Nightspinner. Both guns were miscast so that the two pieces were misaligned by like a quarter inch.
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