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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Well you're obviously not a communist. You claimed in another thread that undocumented workers are lumpenproles. Illegal immigrants are more lumpenproletariat than Sex Workers are, Marx you loving sexist piece of poo poo. The Saurus fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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The Saurus posted:Illegal immigrants are more lumpenproletariat then Sex Workers are Marx you loving sexist piece of poo poo. What are you talking about? Are you saying sex workers aren't working class?
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Feb 22, 2016 19:27
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Fiction posted:What are you talking about? Are you saying sex workers aren't working class? Marx said that Sex Workers are Lumpenproletariat and that they can't achieve class consciousness which is bullshit and he''s a sexist prick for saying it, along with other leftists who agree.
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Feb 22, 2016 19:30
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it's consistent with marxism to critique marx but your positions on immigration are Extremely Wrong and couched in bourgeois conceptions of the state
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Feb 22, 2016 19:32
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And I guess I do believe that a single leader with absolute power vested in them to moderate class conflict is friendlier to the material interests of the working class than bourgeois liberal democracy is, but I'm basing that more off my study of classical history and the Tyrannies of Greek city states. A genuine classless society or worker's state would be better though.
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Feb 22, 2016 19:35
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You literally just described fascism.
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Feb 22, 2016 20:28
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lol
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Feb 22, 2016 20:29
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i'm not a fascist i just like moderating class conflict and giving absolute power to strong men and I think there's nothing wrong with nationalism and getting rid of immigrants and also I idealize classical hellenic history and i think the nazbols are cool
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Feb 22, 2016 20:36
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Bob le Moche posted:i'm not a fascist i just like moderating class conflict and giving absolute power to strong men and I think there's nothing wrong with nationalism and getting rid of immigrants and also I idealize classical hellenic history and i think the nazbols are cool lmao
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Feb 22, 2016 20:47
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Bob le Moche posted:i'm not a fascist i just like moderating class conflict and giving absolute power to strong men and I think there's nothing wrong with nationalism and getting rid of immigrants and also I idealize classical hellenic history and i think the nazbols are cool same
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Feb 22, 2016 20:56
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Bob le Moche posted:i'm not a fascist i just like moderating class conflict and giving absolute power to strong men and I think there's nothing wrong with nationalism and getting rid of immigrants and also I idealize classical hellenic history and i think the nazbols are cool I'm an immigrant, I don't want to get rid of immigrants. I don't think the National Bolsheviks are cool, that's my dad. But yes I know my statement was funny and described something very close to fascism, that was the joke. Classical Hellenic History is loving awesome. Athenian democracy ftw.
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Feb 22, 2016 21:04
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HorseLord posted:i don't understand why the CPUSA doesnt just dissolve itself Hey they just know that this time the Supreme Court hangs in the balance!
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Feb 22, 2016 22:42
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Zimbardo, I'm AFSCME local 6**, you can be my shop steward here, if I vote Maoism Third Worldism, can I have everyone making twenty posts a day in a row of that stupid bernget smiley rounded up and shot? Who would be the candidate who can get the job done? FYI I'm uneducated and don't wear glasses so I think I'll be fine.
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Feb 23, 2016 00:34
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The Saurus posted:Marx said that Sex Workers are Lumpenproletariat and that they can't achieve class consciousness which is bullshit and he''s a sexist prick for saying it, along with other leftists who agree. That's not really exactly what he said though is it, and you are not giving any historical context or your own working definition for the term "lumpenproletariat"... https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-1/red-papers-2/franklin.htm Modern leftists generally do not agree with the idea that they have no revolutionary potential. In fact (from the above link) Mao said quote:Apart from all these other classes, there is the fairly large lumpenproletariat, made up of peasants who have lost their land and handicraftsmen who cannot get work. They lead the most precarious existence of all . . . .One of China’s difficult problems is how to handle these people, Brave fighters but apt to be destructive, they can become a revolutionary force if given proper guidance.
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Feb 23, 2016 02:36
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HorseLord posted:lets see what third worldists are doing these days 
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swampman posted:Dear Bernie Sanders Supporter, Physcis Q, Does your Waterbed float, or sink, when the basement floods with tears?? it really is the 08 election all over again 
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Feb 23, 2016 02:49
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Laphroaig posted:Zimbardo, I'm AFSCME local 6**, you can be my shop steward here, if I vote Maoism Third Worldism, can I have everyone making twenty posts a day in a row of that stupid bernget smiley rounded up and shot? Who would be the candidate who can get the job done? FYI I'm uneducated and don't wear glasses so I think I'll be fine. Are you being sarcastic or something, what are you on about? I'm not really posting in ye olde LF style here so what gives? I also dislike the stupid bernget thing. I decided to get involved with PSL but not because I hate people, because I think its the best way to make the world better. I don't want to be your shop steward, you be your shop steward and fight capitalism and imperialism however you gotta do.
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Feb 23, 2016 03:55
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The Saurus posted:Classical Hellenic History is loving awesome. Athenian democracy ftw. Athens was a slave society under the dictatorship of the class of property-owning male non-foreigners
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Feb 23, 2016 04:41
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Bob le Moche posted:Athens was a slave society under the dictatorship of the class of property-owning male non-foreigners Every society was a slave society back then, and ownng property was NOT a requirement to exercise your vote in the assembly.
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Feb 23, 2016 04:54
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Enjoy posted:What happened in Germany 7 years prior, pray tell? A small part of the SPD leadership betrayed the Spartacist League but that was 7 yeara later at that time they were discussing a united front with the SPD that the membership of both parties wanted Thalmann shut down all democratic discussion, kicked out the Luxemburgists and basically fed into the deepest fears of the SPD related to bringing Stalin into Germany if it wasn't for Stalin dictating to the KPD what they are supposed to do the Nazis would have never achieved power
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Feb 23, 2016 05:38
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also :bernget:
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Top City Homo posted:A small part of the SPD leadership betrayed the Spartacist League but that was 7 yeara later Well, okay then. At least the SPD didn't shut down any discussion, they just joined forces with the proto-fascist freikorps to murder their political opponents on the far left.
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Feb 23, 2016 11:16
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Relevant to both this thread and recent discussion, Real News did an interview with PSL organizer Brian Becker about their new book, "Imperialism in the 21st Century: Updating Lenin's Theory a Century Later." It touches on how Marxist theory should be updated since Lenin, and also how it relates to the current election cycle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUGjgyNRHic It's a 31 minute interview, but it's a good watch and should give us something more substantial to talk about than anarchist petulance or century old infighting.
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Feb 23, 2016 12:53
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lol @ Unironic SPD defense ITT
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Feb 23, 2016 13:20
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stalin "wasn't communist" but the party which went out of its way to sell out the german revolution and preserve dictatorship of the bourgeois was, totally a reasonable stance
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Feb 23, 2016 13:22
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for a loving idiot to have
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Feb 23, 2016 13:22
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After watching that Brian Becker interview I'm seriously tempted to vote PSL in November.
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Feb 23, 2016 13:29
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How many states can the PSL expect to have ballot access in this year? Will it be more than the revolutionary "twelve" and "thirteen" of the last two times
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 Nine percent for Communism isn't too shabby a result, in the beating heart of the imperial metropole. I bet a lot of that 58% for Socialism is pretty convertible too.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:I bet a lot of that 58% for Socialism is pretty convertible too. Convertible into slave labour, or maybe biodiesel.
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Feb 25, 2016 04:10
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Enjoy posted:Convertible into slave labour, or maybe biodiesel. your 69th post to this effect is even more hilarious than the previous ones
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Feb 25, 2016 04:25
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Homework Explainer posted:your 69th post to this effect is even more hilarious than the previous ones Cheers
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Feb 25, 2016 04:40
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There is no "compassion" given by any one political system. The compassion is that of the ruling class within that system. The people responding are merely using the knowledge that the proletariat care far more for their fellow human beings than the sociopathic capitalists.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:
wanna ask these people what makes socialism different from communism and see how many words in before "Scandinavia"
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HorseLord posted:wanna ask these people what makes socialism different from communism and see how many words in before "Scandinavia" wanna be there to radicalize those people when sanders gets squashed
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obama's utter capitulation (intentional or otherwise) to the ruling class radicalized me and a bunch of other people i know so let's hope disappointed sandstormers are the next wave
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Homework Explainer posted:obama's utter capitulation (intentional or otherwise) to the ruling class radicalized me and a bunch of other people i know so let's hope disappointed sandstormers are the next wave they're going to be radicalized into trump voters in time for the general election
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the election isn't over and this going all the way to the convention They are tied in pledged delegate count so I don't know why you are writing him off Another case of defeatist political myopia
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