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Black August posted:To this day I have not found another game that quite gives the same satisfaction as the super shotgun. You'd think it'd be easy to recreate but games seem allergic to "giant blast gun". Same with chainsaws. Fallout NV got chainsaws pretty right. Shame Fallout 4 skipped them. They don't look fun in Doom 4. Let me swing the drat thing or just push it out to grind things up, save the execution wank for the minibosses. It was Raven and not iD proper but the Particle Cannon in Wolfenstein 2009 felt awesome. It was a beam weapon that you had to charge up for a split second before you could fire it, so the Nazis would usually have just enough time to yell out "HE'S GOT A PARTICLE CA-!" before you vaporize them into skeletons with a satisfying WHUMPF.  It's one of the few times where you kill a boss and get their weapon and it's just as powerful and badass as when it was being used against you.
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Sleeveless posted:It was Raven and not iD proper but the Particle Cannon in Wolfenstein 2009 felt awesome. It was a beam weapon that you had to charge up for a split second before you could fire it, so the Nazis would usually have just enough time to yell out "HE'S GOT A PARTICLE CA-!" before you vaporize them into skeletons with a satisfying WHUMPF. Wolfenstein 2009 had a very satisfying arsenal in general, only real change I'd make would be to switch out that assault rifle for a shotgun, cause it was kinda redundant to have both it and a sub-machine gun in the same game(I'd also have the flamethrower show up a lot earlier and have more common ammo, cause it's the best video game flamethrower I've ever used) Also the Kar-98's bayonet had one of the most satisfying melee kills in any shooter I've played that didn't have a dedicated melee weapon
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I think in games the two greatest shotguns ever are of course the Doom II super shotgun and the shotgun in the original Metal Slug. Every time you fire it the entire screen flashes white for a split second as anyone within half a screen of it gets bloodily blown apart and vaporized.  The "slow but strong" weapon in S.A.R.: Search and Rescue also by SNK deserves some mention, but it's helped by that game's ultra ultra ultra gore for something made in 1989. Sick game plus just like Doom a few of the songs sound like they wished they were making a Black Sabbath album a little too hard... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j6JfFNDyLU Despite it of course being a huge Alien/Aliens ripoff, Konami actually borrowed a couple of things like the yellow acid spitting xenomorphs for their official Aliens game a year later. 
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Feb 23, 2016 04:30
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The SSG isn't just satisfying to use, it's effective, to the extent that those are two distinct qualities. Effective and versatile. I can't think of a single enemy in the stock bestiary that it's bad against, unless you count being an inefficient use of ammo against the very weakest enemies, which is only a problem in maps that are stingy with their supplies. I'll often use it against Barons or Cyberdemons even when I have nominally more powerful weapons.
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Feb 23, 2016 04:36
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FEAR had a pretty good shotgun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coFLF3itB5A
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JerryLee posted:The SSG isn't just satisfying to use, it's effective, to the extent that those are two distinct qualities. Effective and versatile. I can't think of a single enemy in the stock bestiary that it's bad against, unless you count being an inefficient use of ammo against the very weakest enemies, which is only a problem in maps that are stingy with their supplies. I'll often use it against Barons or Cyberdemons even when I have nominally more powerful weapons. It's true, it's 50 full on shotgun blasts to kill a Cyberdemon on default so the super shotgun doing 2.8x damage lets it hang against anything.
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JerryLee posted:I can't think of a single enemy in the stock bestiary that it's bad against, unless you count being an inefficient use of ammo against the very weakest enemies, which is only a problem in maps that are stingy with their supplies. I don't think its very good against Pain Elementals out in the open since it pushes them quite far away with one shot, at which point its difficult to finish them off because of the distance and the Elemental's ability to spawn Lost Souls as a sort of meatshield.
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echronorian posted:I wish shooters had level wide nemesis bosses that stalk you and do away with arenas all together You and me both buddy.
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Ddraig posted:FEAR had a pretty good shotgun Its not the same boomstick of death as the SSG style, but that does feel very satisfying. On that note, I have to give Modern Warfare credit, they do a pretty good shotgun. Lots of games like Halo, the shotgun is just this weird gun stick that you happen to load individual shells into. But FEAR and Modern Warfare, the shotgun actually feels like a proper shotgun. It kicks like a mule and you really feel the shot expanding out.
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I really loved Wolfenstein:TNO's auto shotguns; the way they blow off limbs, the fact that it upgrades into a flak cannon, the fact that you can dual wield them... That said, while the game had a very satisfying arsenal, it was definitely lacking in variety and missed some of the more exotic weapons of its predecessors.
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fishmech posted:He's your co-op mode pal.  Zaphod42 posted:The pump action is good, but the SSG in Doom 2 is the real poo poo. That is the most satisfying weapon in any FPS. Boom, chunk-chunk. Boom, chunk-chunk. Mmm, soo good.
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Those are all good, but the SSG is the king. Also personally I would rank the Flak Cannon above the Redeemer as coolest UT weapon, but I'd have the redeemer slightly ahead of the Rocket Launcher. Redeemer was fun times. But man I love that Flak cannon, what a great weapon. The two alt fire modes were very distinct and useful in different situations, but they made sense coming from the same gun and both felt great to use.
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Zaphod42 posted:Those are all good, but the SSG is the king. I think the flak cannon is the best weapon in any game. Its two fire modes make it useful in just about any situation, but it's not overpowered or unfun to play against. And I generally found the redeemer all but useless. But if we're talking about how satisfying they are, the flak cannon is pure functionality whereas the redeemer is big and impressive and really makes its presence felt. Whether you're landing a missile in the middle of a bunch of people and seeing them all obliterated or dodging behind a pillar to avoid the shockwave, it's a weapon that demands your attention.
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Mordja posted:I really loved Wolfenstein:TNO's auto shotguns; the way they blow off limbs, the fact that it upgrades into a flak cannon, the fact that you can dual wield them... The New Order really suffered from the action being too split up and inconsistent. It is a problem that The Old Blood expansion rectified. It makes it really hard for me to replay the New Order because I can't just jump in. I have to deal with a bunch of other poo poo. Zaphod42 posted:Those are all good, but the SSG is the king. I really like the enforcer? Whatever pistol it was that you start out with in UT99. It was very effective as a starting weapon.
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blackguy32 posted:I really like the enforcer? Whatever pistol it was that you start out with in UT99. It was very effective as a starting weapon. All the guns in that game are good, really. I know a lot of people don't like the GES biorifle, but I think its main flaw is just being outclassed by most other weapons, and even so it still has its uses.
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Tiggum posted:I think the flak cannon is the best weapon in any game. Its two fire modes make it useful in just about any situation, but it's not overpowered or unfun to play against. And I generally found the redeemer all but useless. But if we're talking about how satisfying they are, the flak cannon is pure functionality whereas the redeemer is big and impressive and really makes its presence felt. Whether you're landing a missile in the middle of a bunch of people and seeing them all obliterated or dodging behind a pillar to avoid the shockwave, it's a weapon that demands your attention. One of my favorite stories of all time from UT was when I was playing UT'99 with friends back in high school, and somebody hit me right in the face with the redeemer, killing me, and then I spammed the respawn button to get back into the action, and actually managed to spawn close enough and fast enough that the shockwave from the redeemer missile that just killed me killed me AGAIN. I mean drat, I can't even be mad, that's loving amazing. Tiggum posted:All the guns in that game are good, really. I know a lot of people don't like the GES biorifle, but I think its main flaw is just being outclassed by most other weapons, and even so it still has its uses. Yeah Q3 had weapons I wasn't crazy about, like the grenade launcher or even the lightning gun. But UT's weapons were pretty much all amazing. The alt-fire modes gave you lots of tactical options, and they were pretty much all satisfying to use. Also, several Q3 weapons looked kidna boring or dumb, but UT's guns all looked cool. Like if I had to pick my least favorite UT weapon it'd probably be the green-crap gun (I forget its real name since we always called it the green-crap gun, bio gun or something?) and maybe the enforcer just because its kinda simple, although being able to dual-wield the starting gun for more damage is pretty genius. I guess the minigun was kinda boring but it still worked very well. Stuff like the shock-combo or being able to load 3 rockets into the launcher were loving awesome. Q3 had none of that. And yet for some reason I probably played more Q3 overall. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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Its funny how you can't remember the exact name of the gun you literally quoted the guy talking about. Also you could load 6 rockets (or grenades!) into that launcher.
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AirRaid posted:Its funny how you can't remember the exact name of the gun you literally quoted the guy talking about. I was writing a review to the first post and then I noticed the second as I was writing it and didn't finish reading it  Also totally forgot that. In 2003 and 2004 and UT3 it was only 3, but yeah in '99 you could have 6. Good times.
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Getting good with the goo gun in UT was a badge of honor
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The ut99 biorifle is also the most OP gun in the UT series for anyone with aim.
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Smdh @ zaphod
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I just never liked the idea of laying down goo on the floor, like you were running away or chipping at somebody's ankles. I'd much rather have a rocket launcher or a rifle or a shock. But like I said, all the UT guns are great! its hard to pick a bad one. Green-crap / bio gun is not bad by any means and laying down a stream of goo on somebody was pretty good times. Also the new UT lets you do some sick stuff with the green-crap gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3swftlvrYU
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the goo gun was an instakill grenade launcher for people who could aim  even against full shields, they needed to have picked up megahealth the exact second they got hit with it to survive
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The UT rocket launcher's only flaw is that it's not the 8-ball launcher fron Unreal 1. I know why it was toned down a bit for balance but I wish they kept the look of it.
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Welcome to the Early FPS megathread v2, brought to you by sperglord16!
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Kazvall posted:Welcome to the Early FPS megathread v2, brought to you by sperglord16! Blow it out your rear end.
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Kazvall posted:Welcome to the Early FPS megathread v2, brought to you by sperglord16!
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:the goo gun was an instakill grenade launcher for people who could aim Yeah but so was the flak but it was even cooler. Goo gun is pretty much a worse flak in every way, which is why I don't like it as much. And I live for the flak in UT. But if you're without a good gun, its better than the enforcer in a pinch. Kazvall posted:Welcome to the Early FPS megathread v2, brought to you by sperglord16! I made this thread because we kept talking about Doom4 in the Early FPS thread and it felt kinda unrelated, its not an 'Early' FPS. Of course then we just end up discussing early FPS in the Doom 4 thread 
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Kazvall posted:Welcome to the Early FPS megathread v2, brought to you by sperglord16! The aughtism years
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah but so was the flak but it was even cooler. it was sort of balanced because the biorifle took a year to charge and had half of the range of the flak cannon
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echronorian posted:The aughtism years Beautiful
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Zaphod42 posted:Try reading the thread as we've discussed these points already I am satisfied with this answer. I guess I will have to wait and see.
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So if I want to play Final Doom and Master Levels Of Doom 2, am I better off doing the Steam/Dosbox version, or going with a source port? I want as close to a vanilla old school Doom experience, no new bells and whistles like new lighting or jumping or new textures and poo poo. So I'd prefer to not have to grapple with a source port that added in a bunch of new poo poo, just so I can turn all of the new features off.
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Xenomrph posted:So if I want to play Final Doom and Master Levels Of Doom 2, am I better off doing the Steam/Dosbox version, or going with a source port? I recommend source ports, I love GZDoom myself. You can set various lighting settings, some of them looks a lot like the original software renderer. Do you like mouse aiming, looking up and down? I do, so the feel of GZDoom is the best for me. You can also play GZDoom in software renderer, or just use ZDoom. Or there's a more oldschool-ish styed one called ChocolateDoom. So you could probably get what you're looking for in a source port, and they don't change the textures or anything (as long as you choose unfiltered textures in the options)
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Xenomrph posted:So if I want to play Final Doom and Master Levels Of Doom 2, am I better off doing the Steam/Dosbox version, or going with a source port? Sourceports are the way to go always. Skulltag or Zandronum for deathmatch, ZDoom, GZDoom or Doomsday for single player and co-op with fancy graphics and lighting, But if you want strictly OG doom experience with no bells n whistles, the answer is clear: Chocolate Doom. https://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/Downloads Named such because its as close to vanilla doom as you can get without being literally vanilla doom which doesn't always run nice on modern hardware.
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What's my best source port if I don't want to waste time fiddling with options in order to recreate vanilla, unmodified Doom? Like surely there's a source port of Doom out there for purists, with default settings that are just like the original game, right? Like I want to play Doom, not the Star Wars Special Edition of Doom with new stuff tacked on. Is Chocolate Doom my best bet? Edit-- took too long to click Post!  Edit again-- If I'm using Chocolate Doom and I own Final Doom on Steam, is it easy to take the WADs from Steam and drop them into the source port or whatever? Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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Yes. Grab Doom.wad, Doom2.wad, Plutonia.wad or TNT.wad and chuck them into the directory with chocolate doom's exe. Do it one at a time and it'll autodetect them just fine, otherwise use a shortcut with the "-iwad whatever.wad" commandline switch.
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Xenomrph posted:
This is definitely the case because every computer I've ever had to the present I've been able to use DOOM/II/Heretic/etc. WAD files of mine from like 1995.
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Yep, WADs were a custom format and all source ports have to implement that format, so the same WADs from forever ago still work great. Good job Carmack. There are a few modern WADs that won't play nice with old engines / ports, but everything should at least be forwards-compatible. A source port could say "we're not going to handle X" so they could focus on Y or whatever, but there's not much reason to ever do that. You just add whatever you want to do instead as something around the original WAD options, there's no need to make old WADs incompatible like, ever. But really fancy modern WADs that do stuff like room-over-room will require a specific sourceport and won't work on others at all.
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Zaphod42 posted:Sourceports are the way to go always.
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