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bytebark
Sep 26, 2004

I hate Illinois Nazis

Disgruntled Bovine posted:

I used to live half a block from a greenline station so I rode these a lot. I know the Boeing LRV's gave the MBTA a lot of trouble but they were the most comfortable cars on the greenline. They were quiet, had the best AC, the smoothest ride, and the most comfortable seats.
Edit: Interesting, apparently the AC was a retrofit on the Boeings. Well whatever units they chose, they worked really well.

Boeing's foray into building transit vehicles was an interesting one. They were one of a few aerospace companies [Rohr also comes to mind] which had excess workforce following the loss of defense contracts (due to Vietnam winding down) in the early 1970s and decided to try railcar building as a result. Rather than hiring engineers and consultants away from their competitors in this new industry, they decided to use their own ~*aeronautical expertise*~ which generally commanded an unnecessarily high level of precision in the manufacturing process, and produced components which were too complicated to withstand the rigors of daily use, such as the door opening/closing mechanisms. Their "US Standard LRV" was the direct result of this way of thinking, and although they worked more or less "OK" on the other system they were sold to (San Francisco's MUNI), the MBTA's cars had problems right and left, and it got bad enough that some of the Boston cars were sold (by Boeing) to San Francisco when the former refused delivery. MBTA kept modifying their cars until they finally did work as intended, which was right about the time they'd reached their intended service life and were retired.

However, Boeing did build a drat good "L" car for the CTA in Chicago (the 2400 series). Mostly because the CTA's engineers kept Boeing's design staff at arm's length and demanded justifications for design "innovations" which were only going to overcomplicate the cars and make them unreliable. These cars were still in passenger service up until about a year ago, and they kept a small fleet of ~30 cars for work trains and special events.

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Tex Avery
Feb 13, 2012

Disgruntled Bovine posted:

Interestingly the MBTA still uses old PCC cars on an extension of the red line south of Boston. I've never been down there but I want to at some point just to ride them before they eventually decide to retire the old things. Some have apparently been in service for over 60 years at this point.

Are you talking about the Mattapan line? I've read bits and pieces about it and it seems pretty drat cool!

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib

Neddy Seagoon posted:

I forgot about the Hitachi's rising from the grave for that. I dont think the answer to congestion was to oven-bake commuters somehow.

That heatwave was bad (obviously as it ended with Black Saturday) and the week of not dropping below 30 at night ending in a 46.9 degree day had the whole network failing.

I'm glad I had that week off from uni at the time.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

drunkill posted:

That heatwave was bad (obviously as it ended with Black Saturday) and the week of not dropping below 30 at night ending in a 46.9 degree day had the whole network failing.

I'm glad I had that week off from uni at the time.

There's no doubt there'd have been some network failures, it was 45+ degrees after all, but I doubt it would've been the catastrophe it was if anyone else other than Connex had been at the wheel.

I was also thankful for the same. Not that I'd have gone a step outside on any of those days regardless, because gently caress that noise.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006

Is that a challenge?
I have just now realised that this is the same Connex that used to run the trains in south east England, and can immediately sympathise.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Axeman Jim posted:

For the uninitiated. AnsaldoBreda made trains that made BR's worst junk look like world-class engineering.

Wikipedia posted:


In December 2011, it was reported that one of the missing IC4 trainsets planned for delivery in Denmark was found in Libya. Reportedly, AnsaldoBreda and then Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi gave Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi the trainset as a present on the occasion of the 40th anniversary of Gaddafi's revolution in 2009.


:laffo:

beep-beep car is go
Apr 11, 2005

I can just eyeball this, right?



Tex Avery posted:

Are you talking about the Mattapan line? I've read bits and pieces about it and it seems pretty drat cool!

It is pretty cool. The Murderpan line is the only public light rail that goes through a cemetery. Be aware though, it's in a...less nice part of Boston.

Axeman Jim
Nov 21, 2010

The Canadians replied that they would rather ride a moose.

jammyozzy posted:

I have just now realised that this is the same Connex that used to run the trains in south east England, and can immediately sympathise.

They are to date the only company to be stripped of their UK franchises mid-contract for being poo poo. In fact it happened twice. And considering what the likes of Virgin, SWT and Worst Great Western got up to that's saying something.

KingPave
Jul 18, 2007
eeee!~

Neddy Seagoon posted:

As for the X'Trapolis, they're only just now barely allowed on the "Bayside" lines after nearly a decade of track upgrades, and even then only for a few specific trains on the weekend to show that they can, no really, shut uuuup. Turns out that not only are they still hard on the track despite recent upgrades, but they have to use a single specially-modified X'Trapolis with a speed limiter because otherwise they have a nasty habit of outpacing crossing signals :rice:.

Random thing, ever notice that on the centre doors of the X'Trapolis trains, the aircon vents dont actually expel any cooled air in that standing area? Really great during hot days.

I actually prefer the Siemens trains, because they appear to have working aircon all the way through the carriage.

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
Me too, plus you can walk all the way along the train instead of using the 'airlocks' on the Xtraps. More room when it gets crowded after a footy match.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?
Head-on collision in Germany: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35530538

It's hard to tell from the Google Maps overhead view and there's no Street View mode to check things out closer because German privacy laws are insane, but it looks like this is a single set of rails. Reports are saying that there should have been some sort of autobraking system triggered by passing a stop signal, so it'll be interesting to see what kinds of failures came together here once the investigation is complete.

Ika
Dec 30, 2004
Pure insanity

wolrah posted:

Head-on collision in Germany: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35530538

It's hard to tell from the Google Maps overhead view and there's no Street View mode to check things out closer because German privacy laws are insane, but it looks like this is a single set of rails. Reports are saying that there should have been some sort of autobraking system triggered by passing a stop signal, so it'll be interesting to see what kinds of failures came together here once the investigation is complete.

Rumors currently say that someone overrode the signaling system to let a delayed train catch up, and that signal ended up also being sent to the train going the other direction.

Axeman Jim
Nov 21, 2010

The Canadians replied that they would rather ride a moose.
I am currently on one of the expensively rebuilt class 458s at Barnes. The PA has announced that we are at Mortlake. It says the next station is Clapham Junction whereas it is in fact Putney. Both toilets are out of order. Money well spent.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Axeman Jim posted:

I am currently on one of the expensively rebuilt class 458s at Barnes. The PA has announced that we are at Mortlake. It says the next station is Clapham Junction whereas it is in fact Putney. Both toilets are out of order. Money well spent.

When you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes back :allears:.

Disgruntled Bovine
Jul 5, 2010

I'm taking the train to work this morning as my car's in the shop and I just encountered my first HSP46, the MBTA's new commuter rail locomotives. I've heard people complain about the replacement of the F40PH-2C "screamers" with these, and while it's true that they don't scream I actually think the low rumble they produce is louder. When this one pulled out of the station it was so loud it set off a car alarm in the adjacent parking garage.

I guess it's hard to muffle 4650 hp. :black101:

Axeman Jim
Nov 21, 2010

The Canadians replied that they would rather ride a moose.
You're not kidding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1n0LjhBlkM

That sounds like a pretty solid 80Hz-ish rumble at idle that my music production clients would complain about if I put it on one of their mixes...

And then it sounds like an HST as it spools past, that's a great-sounding supercharger.

For those who haven't had the pleasure, the as-built HSTs (they've since been re-engined) had supercharged Paxman-Valenta engines that would scream under load, more than an F40PH even:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ICcOu0NkM

Disgruntled Bovine
Jul 5, 2010

That is a hell of a good sound. That said, the HSP46's are turbocharged, not supercharged. Also the microphone used for that video is not very good. It doesn't capture half of the low range that thing is pumping out. It's the kind of sound you feel more than hear, probably why it's so good at setting off car alarms.

meltie
Nov 9, 2003

Not a sodding fridge.

Axeman Jim posted:

You're not kidding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1n0LjhBlkM

That sounds like a pretty solid 80Hz-ish rumble at idle that my music production clients would complain about if I put it on one of their mixes...

And then it sounds like an HST as it spools past, that's a great-sounding supercharger.

For those who haven't had the pleasure, the as-built HSTs (they've since been re-engined) had supercharged Paxman-Valenta engines that would scream under load, more than an F40PH even:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ICcOu0NkM

I really miss the Valentas.

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
Whoops.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/vline-crisis-tracks-on-365b-regional-rail-link-to-be-torn-up-this-weekend-20160212-gmsude.html

quote:

V/Line crisis: Tracks on $3.65b Regional Rail Link to be torn up this weekend
Hundreds of metres of railway track laid just two years ago as part of the most expensive public transport project in Victoria's history will be ripped up and replaced over the weekend because it is damaged and has damaged the wheels of V/Line trains.
The track replacement work will require the shutdown of part of the $3.65 billion Regional Rail Link, which has been in full service for less than seven months. Eight hundred metres of rail on the tightly curved flyover between North Melbourne and Southern Cross stations will be replaced this weekend.

The root cause of the wheel damage is still being investigated by Monash University rail experts, who are due to report on the issue in March, but the decision to replace the tracks on the rail flyover effectively confirms it is one of the chief causes of accelerated wheel wear on V/Line's VLocity trains.

The wheel wear and an unrelated boom gate failure in Dandenong last month have crippled V/Line rail services for weeks and cost the state tens of millions of dollars.
At the peak of the crisis as many as 70 services a day were cancelled and replaced by coach, prompting former V/Line chief Theo Taifalos to resign under intense pressure from the Andrews government.

...
The long list of expenses from the V/Line crisis includes hundreds of new steel wheels for VLocity trains, hundreds of replacement buses each day, more than two weeks of free travel statewide, compensation for myki pass holders, new axle counters at dozens of level crossings and track renewals.

VLocity trains are still barred from the Pakenham line until axle counters are installed at 21 level crossings on the line. Most Gippsland services have been replaced by coach, and from next week there will be four extra peak-hour Metro services between Pakenham and the city, so Gippsland commuters can switch to a train for part of their journey.

The government says V/Line services will return to normal in June.
...

Vline is the state regional public transport service, a government owned corporation, mainly coaches but a number of rail lines too. This started getting traction when the trainsets failed to trigger level crossings on the suburban network due to the wheels being worn away, although that was apparently un-related it brought the issue to to the media. The Vlocity trainsets are locally built by bombardier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V/Line_VLocity


While the Regional Rail Link was the most expensive public transport project in the states history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Rail_Link

And this is the flyover in question, lots of rails because of dual gauge.: https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.8087431,144.9429605,106m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

drunkill fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Feb 13, 2016

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese
I can't wait for whatever fuckups are going to come with HS2 make that look like chump change :downs:

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

Terrible Robot
Jul 2, 2010

FRIED CHICKEN
Slippery Tilde
Goddamn I love old EMD locomotives :swoon:

Disgruntled Bovine
Jul 5, 2010

I'll take a PA or Baldwin Sharknose over an E unit any day.





The sharks are the BMW 2000 of locomotives.

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde
Petitioning the FRA to stop requiring Leader and Trip Optimizer
http://www.ble-t.org/pr/news/newsflash.asp?id=5805

actual letter
http://www.ble-t.org/pr/pdf/FRA_Lauby_Leader.pdf

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

B4Ctom1 posted:

Petitioning the FRA to stop requiring Leader and Trip Optimizer
http://www.ble-t.org/pr/news/newsflash.asp?id=5805

actual letter
http://www.ble-t.org/pr/pdf/FRA_Lauby_Leader.pdf

humans are bad at monitoring automation.

unfortunately, automation is often much more efficient than humans.

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde

MassivelyBuckNegro posted:

humans are bad at monitoring automation.

unfortunately, automation is often much more efficient than humans.

This, plus using in-cab cameras to make highlight lowlight reels of engineers and conductors performing/behaving badly will be how the public will be convinced on why it is just as ok for a humanless train to annihilate an entire town as one with a human on it.

BrokenKnucklez
Apr 22, 2008

by zen death robot

B4Ctom1 posted:

This, plus using in-cab cameras to make highlight lowlight reels of engineers and conductors performing/behaving badly will be how the public will be convinced on why it is just as ok for a humanless train to annihilate an entire town as one with a human on it.

TE&Y are pretty good at eliminating their own jobs. I know if the carrier can eliminate grade crossings the railroads would go to full on automation with roaming mechanics to fix crap as it breaks.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
Can someone tell me what happened at 1:40, because I'm pretty sure rails aren't supposed to do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5D1Ms4Qes0



All I can think of is Repair + Russian = Crazy Rail.

Klaus Kinski
Nov 26, 2007
Der Klaus

Gorilla Salad posted:

Can someone tell me what happened at 1:40, because I'm pretty sure rails aren't supposed to do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5D1Ms4Qes0



All I can think of is Repair + Russian = Crazy Rail.

Apparently the english word for it is "sun kink"

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
I never realised it could be so dramatic.

Currently the rail line near me is out of order because of exactly that* and thousands of workers are being bussed to and from the city each day and people are pissed.



* Also issues with carriage wheels**


** Also hosed signals***


*** :ughh:

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Feb 20, 2016

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib

Klaus Kinski posted:

Apparently the english word for it is "sun kink"

I'll show you a 'sun kink'
https://youtu.be/_LoXgN1QWZM

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

Gorilla Salad posted:

Can someone tell me what happened at 1:40, because I'm pretty sure rails aren't supposed to do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5D1Ms4Qes0



All I can think of is Repair + Russian = Crazy Rail.

I want to know what exactly that smell was that that dog loved so much

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde
When the bitch be so ugly it makes a train take a dirt road
http://imgur.com/gallery/UmBrJYy

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35639164

JuffoWup
Mar 28, 2012

B4Ctom1 posted:

When the bitch be so ugly it makes a train take a dirt road
http://imgur.com/gallery/UmBrJYy

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35639164

Hmm, that isn't the crane type hit from the article. The crane was crossing a level cross meaning it wasn't a rail crane. It was most likely one of the regular truck cranes with the outfitters and boom extension.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?
Truck driver totally spaces out while pulling away from a police stop, drives right in front of a train.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0obAEPT-3Y

wilfredmerriweathr
Jul 11, 2005
That makes me miss my home state. Love the response of the locomotive engineer when asked if he's OK:

"Oh yeah no problem"

That truck driver is lucky as gently caress.

NoWake
Dec 28, 2008

College Slice
I just finished Fargo seasons 1 and 2 last week, this could have been a scene straight out of it. Down to Lou Solverson there just havin a good day, doing his job and listening to some goofy-rear end music in the cruiser.

BrokenKnucklez
Apr 22, 2008

by zen death robot

wilfredmerriweathr posted:

That makes me miss my home state. Love the response of the locomotive engineer when asked if he's OK:

"Oh yeah no problem"

That truck driver is lucky as gently caress.

God drat, thats a hell of ride down the tracks.

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
The Flying Scotsman has been restored and went on a trip today. It looks great!
http://i.imgur.com/ypAJVbv.gifv

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MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

drunkill posted:

The Flying Scotsman has been restored and went on a trip today. It looks great!

That train's gonna add another notch to it's "Owner's i've bankrupted" belt

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