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Professor Shark posted:gently caress that guy. There are other corporations and businesses he could have targeted, instead he went after a hospital and risked lives, even if it was just by making patient information sharing much slower. Switching to paper records from electronic records absolutely affects patient safety and time til things get done. People could have died.
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Yeah I got that, hence my impotent rage 
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I even double checked before posting to make sure the proof of work was easy, just messed up which was which. 
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turbomoose posted:I even double checked before posting to make sure the proof of work was easy, just messed up which was which. New slogan for Bitcoin 
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Professor Shark posted:gently caress that guy. There are other corporations and businesses he could have targeted, instead he went after a hospital and risked lives, even if it was just by making patient information sharing much slower. Hahaha god no it shouldn't. Just imagine the death penalty version of "Swatting"
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Feb 24, 2016 19:02
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Maybe not the death penalty, but definitely several decades of jail time.
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gannyGrabber posted:Hey guess what you can buy weed from middle class white people you should try that You know, I know this is the long running joke about Bitcoin but how the gently caress do you send drugs through the US Postal Service and expect not to end up screwed?
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Blazing Ownager posted:You know, I know this is the long running joke about Bitcoin but how the gently caress do you send drugs through the US Postal Service and expect not to end up screwed? because idiots?
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Blazing Ownager posted:You know, I know this is the long running joke about Bitcoin but how the gently caress do you send drugs through the US Postal Service and expect not to end up screwed?
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Gobbeldygook posted:The postal service delivers two hundred million first-class letters per day. You have to gently caress up pretty bad for them to take notice of yours. Or, you know, have a sniffer dog.
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revmoo posted:Hahaha god no it shouldn't. I don't think that your comparison makes any sense at all
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QuarkJets posted:I don't think that your comparison makes any sense at all Good, so it's not just me. What the gently caress does "swatting" have to do with bringing down hospital systems? If someone dies as a result, the death penalty should absolutely be on the table for whoever is involved.
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Feb 24, 2016 20:20
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univbee posted:Or, you know, have a sniffer dog.
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Feb 24, 2016 20:25
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univbee posted:Or, you know, have a sniffer dog. Or put a return address on your mail with your drugs you sell, like that one guy.
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raditts posted:Good, so it's not just me. What the gently caress does "swatting" have to do with bringing down hospital systems? If someone dies as a result, the death penalty should absolutely be on the table for whoever is involved. Do you have a bitcoin address associated with your name? Cool, I'm going to cut loose with some ransomware that tells the victim to pay you. Now you have to prove that you didn't do it, and if you don't, the state will murder you. That is what he means.
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LordSaturn posted:Do you have a bitcoin address associated with your name? Cool, I'm going to cut loose with some ransomware that tells the victim to pay you. Now you have to prove that you didn't do it, and if you don't, the state will murder you. That's not how the law, at least in the United States, works. The prosecutor has to prove you did it rather than you having to prove you didn't do it.
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Germstore posted:That's not how the law, at least in the United States, works. The prosecutor has to prove you did it rather than you having to prove you didn't do it. That is putting the cart before the horse. A conviction requires proving the crime beyond a reasonable doubt, beginning a murder investigation on the other hand just requires probable cause. The point here being that malicious hacker could implicate you in a crime, forcing you to deal with a felony investigation.
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revmoo posted:Hahaha god no it shouldn't. Huh wow really provocative stuff thanks for your post
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DEKH posted:That is putting the cart before the horse. A conviction requires proving the crime beyond a reasonable doubt, beginning a murder investigation on the other hand just requires probable cause. The point here being that malicious hacker could implicate you in a crime, forcing you to deal with a felony investigation. Yeah Bitcoin is pretty cool
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DEKH posted:That is putting the cart before the horse. A conviction requires proving the crime beyond a reasonable doubt, beginning a murder investigation on the other hand just requires probable cause. The point here being that malicious hacker could implicate you in a crime, forcing you to deal with a felony investigation. Yeah but you could say that of literally any crime, and your argument boils down to "we shouldn't punish or investigate crimes because what if a person gets framed?" There are a billion ways to implicate someone. Receiving "payment" for something is not enough for a guilty verdict QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Feb 25, 2016 |
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QuarkJets posted:Yeah but you could say that of literally any crime, and your argument boils down to "we shouldn't punish or investigate crimes because what if a person gets framed?" There are a billion ways to implicate someone. Receiving "payment" for something is not enough for a guilty verdict I have no idea who you are responding to. If you find this person who thinks that we should never investigate crimes because 'someone might get framed', I will happily disagree with them. I'm talking about how an investigation disrupts people's lives, and how the "swatting" analogy is actually fairly accurate. When someone is SWATed, they do not go to jail, they are not found guilty of a crime. Their lives are disrupted because technology has made it very easy to call in an anonymous complaint and force the police to respond with maximum force. No one will take solace in the fact that they were not found guilty of a crime when their door has been busted down by police in full body armor pointing guns in their faces. The (incredibly) stupid technology of Bitcoin would allow a person to easily implicate another person in a crime. It does not matter that you may be eventually exonerated. In the meantime you will have to deal with: 1) frozen bank accounts 2) travel restrictions 3) the local paper saying you've been caught up in child pornography or selling illegal chinese research chemicals. 4) A conviction based on flimsy evidence because you are 1) black 2) not-white, 3) had a really bad jury. The take-aways from this are: 1) Just because you may be eventually exonerated of a crime does not mean that there's no harm. 2) the Swatting analogy is actually pretty good. 3) Bitcoin is dumb.
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Like a lot of things Bitcoin related, you could do that without Bitcoin
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Professor Shark posted:Like a lot of things Bitcoin related, you could do that without Bitcoin Framing someone for a crime and causing them inconvenience, but with Bitcoin! DEKH posted:I have no idea who you are responding to. If you find this person who thinks that we should never investigate crimes because 'someone might get framed', I will happily disagree with them. I'm talking about how an investigation disrupts people's lives, and how the "swatting" analogy is actually fairly accurate. Ok, this is a ludicrous misrepresentation of literally everything. I don't worry about someone robbing a bank and sending me the money cause then they wouldn't have the money they just went through all that effort to steal. I have a mailing address, public emails, a phone number, etc, all of which are easy to get money to. Bitcoin changes jack poo poo, as usual.
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Anyway, just to clarify, I don't really think that the bad man should be put to death, I do think he should focus on other people, however
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Professor Shark posted:Anyway, just to clarify, I don't really think that the bad man should be put to death, I do think he should focus on other people, however It's worth noting that if someone died while you were extorting a hospital, it would almost certainly be felony murder. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule
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Professor Shark posted:Anyway, just to clarify, I don't really think that the bad man should be put to death, I do think he should focus on other people, however Tia for supporting my position. Let's target orphanages and hospice centers next.
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DEKH posted:
Not in context, when it was combined with the goddamned death penalty. If the initial context had had anything to do with the inconvenience of being investigated, or (as suggested above) was relevant uniquely to bitcoin or hospital extortion, I'd be with you.
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Blazing Ownager posted:You know, I know this is the long running joke about Bitcoin but how the gently caress do you send drugs through the US Postal Service and expect not to end up screwed? It's very easy to send LSD by mail and almost undetectable
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Nirvikalpa posted:It's very easy to send LSD by mail and almost undetectable So you're saying we should all take LSD?
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Angela Christine posted:So you're saying we should all take LSD? It's a better idea than using bitcoin.
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Angela Christine posted:So you're saying we should all take LSD? I just lick the hologram on my Ron Paul checks. I'm ready to go MOON any day now...
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DEKH posted:
Then you weren't paying attention to the rest of the discussion, because we were talking about how holding all of the files at a hospital for ransom should be severely punished, and someone said "no it shouldn't be severely punished, what if you're in a swatting situation and the criminals point to your bitcoin address???" It was a completely nonsensical point. It has nothing to do with whether or not it's possible to try and frame someone with bitcoin payments (something that you can easily do without bitcoin) You're also comparing something that just takes a phone call to something that requires a lot of work to set up; finding a victim's bitcoin address, procuring or writing network-infecting encryption ransomware that pays to that victim's address, infecting the network in question. The analogy is poo poo
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klafbang posted:Are you also starting to feel that Bitcoin isn't sufficiently retarded in this day and age? Well, good news! Why not introduce the HumanCoin, it's like butts, but requires proof of waste of human life instead of computer time. So can I pay for Amazon Mechanical Turk using Amazon gift cards? If so it would be easy (BITCOIN EASY*) to convert bitcoin -> stolen Amazon gift cards -> Mechanical Turk -> people mining HumanCoin. Someone should start Mechanical Turk-Giftcard Online eXchange. Is HumanCoin backed by humans, so I can cash in my HumanCoin for a human? Humans aren't fungible, I mean you wouldn't want to cash out and get a goon. *BITCOIN EASY: actually a pain in the rear end for normal people but somehow attractive to bitcoiners
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All this talk about human coin makes me think that dogecoin should be backed by people adopting dogs and pay when they do nice things for them so something positive could come out of that whole poo poo show that is cryptocurrency.
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Lol at all the people coming up with super obscure hypotheticals about why this guy that put people's lives at risk in a tangible way shouldn't be punished super harshly "B-b-but what if someone extorts a place and hates money and also knows my crypto currency wallet address and hates me for some reason so sends the extortion money to me I MIGHT GET IN TROUUUBLE". Hey, if that ever happens, and it won't, because it's loving stupid as hell on about six different levels and everyone parroting the idea should be ashamed of how publicly idiotic they are, but if it ever did you could always just return the loving money.
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Ryoshi posted:Lol at all the people coming up with super obscure hypotheticals about why this guy that put people's lives at risk in a tangible way shouldn't be punished super harshly  Yeah utterly crazy. That's like saying people that like to play video games and stream them online might have armed gunmen burst into their house because some script kiddie finds it amusing. Nobody would ever do that. We should definitely trust a government that's proven itself time and time again to be utterly incompetent when it comes to understanding technology to make the right decisions in capital offense cases where the only evidence is digital and can be easily fabricated.
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Someone calling in SWAT is not giving up "$17,000" for their "effort." Wait, "$16,500" No, wait. "$18,250"
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revmoo posted:
that whooshing noise you hear is the point I made farting on your fat face as it flies harmlessly above your head
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revmoo posted:
are you being serious or is this some kind of gimmick where you pretend to be a complete idiot? Do you really believe that we should stop prosecuting crimes that could possibly be pinned on someone else using bitcoins? And do you also really not understand how prosecution in the US works?
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