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Oh I thought HyperV was just a service running on top of a base Windows server. My bad.
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Martytoof posted:Oh I thought HyperV was just a service running on top of a base Windows server. My bad.
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Feb 23, 2016 00:32
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mewse posted:Quoting myself from a few pages back. God drat, find a new job.
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Feb 23, 2016 01:42
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I left out the part where he told my supervisor 3 times that the free hypervisor can't be used in a production environment and I couldn't contain myself and said "that's not my understanding" and he blew up on me, ending the conversation with "FINE I GUESS YOU KNOW MORE THAN ME", turning his back and shaking his head.
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Feb 23, 2016 02:43
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You can use the free hypervisor in production. I just got my VCP last week, so your co-worker can suck my left nut.
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Feb 23, 2016 03:01
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Also, stop being cheap fucks and just get the VMware Essentials package. That will give you the storage APIs you need and gives you the option of adding more hosts if you ever need too. Plus you can open paid incident support cases. It's $560.
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Feb 23, 2016 03:08
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You have two options: One is to deploy a hypervisor you're not enthusiastic about because some guy is on a power trip to protect his kingdom. The other is to have a conversation with your boss, without this guy present, where you clearly lay out that the free version can be used. And that proceeding with Hyper-v or workstation is unnecessary, and penny wise but pound foolish even if it weren't because you're throwing away resiliency, expandability, and expensive veeam and other external tooling (in the case of workstation) or introducing a split infrastructure where other employees cannot take over your duties if something happens and there's no knowledge transfer (Hyper-v). Plus, can you use Hyper-v veeam backups on VMware or vice versa? It's very simply a business case. Ignore the technical aspects, except to point out that you can use this. Either way, start job hunting
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Feb 23, 2016 03:17
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mewse posted:Quoting myself from a few pages back. Less resource usage Less surface exposure to attack Technically less patching/outages It can be upgraded via key inside the VMware ecosphere vs having to migrate a big chunk of data. Is the $500 essentials kit still around on the new pricing model something you could look at? Depending on your workload you could look into Azure Stack https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/overview/azure-stack/ It's in technical preview so beware, and i'm unsure if any pricing structures are out there yet. If I had sometime back at a prior employer that sounds like your current place, I would of stuck with the XenServer (or another KVM solution) and invested more into a better SAN/infrastructure vs VMware route. Which speaks to an issue if you don't have some kind of shared storage your not going to gain a huge amount as your weak link will still be the host hardware. Your going to be putting all your eggs in one bare budget solution being workstation or any hypervisor solution. e;fb
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Feb 23, 2016 03:44
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Nitpick: XenServer is not KVM. Serious comment: if you can't afford a SAN, you should at least run Nutanix CE or something so you can easily expand later. Even a spare server providing NFS or DFS+CIFS is better than local (though you could throw that server into Nutanix or whatever if you can get access to it)
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Feb 23, 2016 05:14
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Option C: a so-so hit man will run you a cool 25k. Weigh your risk and ROI.
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Feb 23, 2016 06:19
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mewse posted:I left out the part where he told my supervisor 3 times that the free hypervisor can't be used in a production environment and I couldn't contain myself and said "that's not my understanding" and he blew up on me, ending the conversation with "FINE I GUESS YOU KNOW MORE THAN ME", turning his back and shaking his head. Nothing in the license agreement stopping you from running production/revenue generating applications on it. Should really look at dropping 500bux on vSphere Essentials at a minimum: "The vSphere Essentials Kit licenses are perpetual and does not expire. It includes 6 CPU licenses of vSphere Essentials (for 3 servers with up to 2 processors each) and 1 license for vCenter Server Essentials" Most 3rd party tools will integrate with vCenter instead of ESXi directly.
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Feb 23, 2016 09:35
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KillHour posted:You can use the free hypervisor in production. I just got my VCP last week, so your co-worker can suck my left nut. The best part is this dipshit is probably running Microsoft software in production illegally via an Action Pack or MSDN license or something. Because everyone I've ever encountered in IT who massively overestimates their abilities is doing that, pretty much without exception.
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Feb 23, 2016 16:28
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I don't think we can buy essentials because we have an existing vSphere + vCenter VDI infrastructure with 900 desktops
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Feb 23, 2016 16:56
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mewse posted:I don't think we can buy essentials because we have an existing vSphere + vCenter VDI infrastructure with 900 desktops
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Feb 23, 2016 17:03
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That becomes slightly relevant if you're buying Veeam - you can only have one Veeam Essentials license per company.
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Feb 23, 2016 17:21
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Would our existing Veeam deployment be able to hook up with a new, separate vsphere essentials instance?
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Feb 23, 2016 17:25
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Well the guy went around me and my boss tells me I'm using workstation so nevermind
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Feb 23, 2016 17:52
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mewse posted:Well the guy went around me and my boss tells me I'm using workstation so nevermind Hahaha. Running a production VoIP server within Workstation?
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Feb 23, 2016 17:53
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mewse posted:Well the guy went around me and my boss tells me I'm using workstation so nevermind Your boss doesn't respect you, and this guy is impossible to work with. New job time!
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Feb 23, 2016 17:55
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Moey posted:Hahaha. Running a production VoIP server within Workstation? Yes
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Feb 23, 2016 17:56
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mewse posted:Yes Fight back on this and do anything else. What is the software? Does it have built in database backups? Maybe roll with the free ESXi license, then get nightly database backups with the software itself, then use GhettoVCB to get weekly full backups of the VM? I have no played around with GhettoVCB in years, but it claims to support the free version still. Also take a look at these, not sure if they are still relevant at all though. http://www.v-front.de/2014/05/free-backup-for-free-esxi-thinware.html
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Moey posted:Hahaha. Running a production VoIP server within Workstation? Oh god audio in workstation is terrible. I tried to run a radio station (using liquid soap and icecast). icecast running in the VM caused the stream to crash every 15-20 minutes complaining about hardware access. Running liquidsoap in the VM caused occasional delays but the buffer was big enough to handle it and throw warnings. None of these issues happened using the same setup on the host OS. This was a personal project so running icecast on the host ended up being acceptable.
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Feb 23, 2016 18:36
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mewse posted:Yes Document your concerns about why this a bad idea and send it to your boss. Don't be adversarial, just state your case for prosterity.
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Feb 23, 2016 20:33
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I went and spoke to my boss about it when angry guy went for lunch. I printed out the vSphere pricing whitepaper and highlighted the relevant sections. She was receptive to the whitepaper and I hopefully killed the idea that the free hypervisor can't be used in production. There is a table that lists the features included with vSphere, the first item is "Hypervisor", I explained when you first install the software it includes all those features on a 60 day trial but then when you apply the free license key it disables all of them and just leaves the hypervisor with a permanent license. I also made this spreadsheet:  She likes being presented with options so I used this spreadsheet to illustrate all the ways we can go. She didn't know that our existing license for 2008R2 Standard includes the ability to run a copy of itself inside Hyper-V, she thought it would require an additional Windows license as well. She didn't understand what I was saying until I explained that Enterprise includes host + 4 VMs. She also seemed receptive to the idea that Workstation is inappropriate. I said "Workstation isn't designed to run servers, that's why it's called Workstation" and she seemed to agree. She also listened to my explanation of coworker blowing up on me (supervisor witnessed it anyway) and I don't think she is impressed. I explained I'm not going to argue with him about hypervisor anymore.
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Having a licensed copy of workstation does not imply that you have support for workstation, so I'm not even sure what the benefit of using Workstation is supposed to be, absent other information about the support entitlements associated with the licenses.
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She started saying we don't have paid support for the hypervisor and I pointed out we don't have paid support for Workstation either
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Feb 24, 2016 02:40
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Why not just do a physical server if you're resorting to using workstation?
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Feb 24, 2016 03:11
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mewse posted:She also seemed receptive to the idea that Workstation is inappropriate. I said "Workstation isn't designed to run servers, that's why it's called Workstation" and she seemed to agree. Don't tell her about Workstation Server. 
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Feb 24, 2016 04:02
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Feb 24, 2016 04:38
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Barely competent coworkers don't like it much when their junior employees show them up in front of their boss. Dot your i's, cross your t's and show up early for the next two weeks or so. If management is still listening to your presentations it sounds like you're in their good graces, but you definitely have a new enemy for the next three weeks or so. Sounds like you're doing the right thing though.
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evol262 posted:GSX is dead Workstation does everything GSX ever did, except isn't free. The webUI for Server 2.0 was horrible too. Not that the webUI for ESX is any better. You think we would have learned our lesson.
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I was joking about Server Workstation, but I see that's a real product. GSX lives 
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evol262 posted:I was joking about Server Workstation, but I see that's a real product. GSX lives Yup, with hostd. Ugh. Such a horrible mess of code, but that is another story. That said, I love Workstation and Fusion for running small little "servers" at home. I have a mac mini with several VMs for running poo poo like Minecraft and 7 Days to Die. For stuff like there, there is no real benefit to running ESX. Throw Fusion on a mac mini, and enjoy the 6W per hour power consumption when your VMs are idle.
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It helps that esxi is free  Unless there's free versions of Workstation?
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Potato Salad posted:It helps that esxi is free Player would probably work. That is only for Linux/Windows though. I guess you can create VMs with it now too. I haven't paid much attention to it in a few years. You don't get features like connecting to ESX, and probably stuff like clones, but that might now be a big deal. You also can't use it commercially. The benefit of doing that over ESXi would be support for a wider set of hardware and being able to run it on an OS you wanted for other stuff. I still use my mac for ssh and connecting to my work machines with VNC.
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Gotcha. I forgot player was a thing. On the note of desktop pc hypervisors that do other stuff, I moved to Win10 on my htpc and set up Hyper-V as a second, dicking around hypervisor. My family had trouble using vSphere's thick client, but understood hyper-v manager almost completely by intuition.
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Does anyone have a recommendation on a Z170 chipset motherboard that supports vt-d? I'm interested in doing PCI passthrough. Specifically, run a Linux host and pass a graphics card (980ti) directly to a Windows guest. I've heard some manufacturers, namely ASRock, have a better record of fully supporting vt-d/iommu than others, like Asus.
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Anecdotal, but my ASRock X99 board works without a hitch.
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Win8.1/10 hyper-v role is pretty drat good for running testing VMs for sysadmin purposes. When we refreshed our laptops in IT a few months ago, I made sure to get 16gigs of ram. Switched to using hyper-v instead of an old laptop for my test machine, much cleaner and faster to fire that up off the ssd to test group policies or whatever.
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DevNull posted:Player would probably work. That is only for Linux/Windows though. I guess you can create VMs with it now too. I haven't paid much attention to it in a few years. It's been a few years since I screwed around with it, but I think snapshots are the thing you're most likely to miss on a regular basis. I'm pretty sure it can clone, and your definitely can create VMs. Setting up different virtual networks is trickier, but it can be done. I think the utility for changing those settings isn't included with Player, but it can be pulled out of a Workstation install.
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