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For such a pivotal episode it sure was a mess. The direction was either done by some new guy who can't make the action seem interesting or un-choreographed if a gun was to their head or by somebody competent but beyond hung over and burned out. The CG for the heroes departing and arriving atrocious. The plotting just miserable. Vixen is the worst inclusion of character exposition since Team Flash showed up BEFORE the Flash;s 1st season (though there was enough good will to earn patience and be rewarded with such fan trust) and the worst female character to be added since Huntress. Basically everybody knows Oliver Queen and gently caress off with carefully crafted world building because now we've got CGI, bullet points and meta-humans. The island backstory, which I've managed to defend even at its lowest point, is working against itself, showing us how heroic Oliver is instead of servicing the goal of showing how he acquired his skills and began to continuously lose his humanity - and they've STILL got the Russian Mob to tick off the old checklist later. Jebus, at least in the old days we had those funny wigs to make fun of... If Legends gets a 2nd season - and I'm skeptical - just ship Felicity and Vixen off to that show and give us back Sarah Lance. Let that show do the brand's heavy lifting for a year and leave Arrow to itself. I mean, give me one more year of dark as gently caress Oliver Queen with a sense that the stakes are truly personal and raised instead of what we have: a 50% improvement over season 3.
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But wait Felicity, didn't Oliver totally open up to you halfway through the episode about not wanting to be a part of Williams life without you and also hinting about wanting to keep William close to him now and then you just changed the subject without giving him any input of your own. wait what were you mad at him about agan i forgot Nephthys fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Feb 25, 2016 |
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Feb 25, 2016 20:38
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So Felicity feels she should have had a say in the decisions made about the life and safety of a child that's not hers and that she's never even met?
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Feb 25, 2016 20:58
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Martout posted:So Felicity feels she should have had a say in the decisions made about the life and safety of a child that's not hers and that she's never even met? Must be a Republican
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Feb 25, 2016 20:59
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Why does Thea remain the only smart and logical person in the show?
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Feb 25, 2016 21:01
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Of all the things she's been upset about in the past this has to be the completely unchallenged #1 on the dumb-dumb list?
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Feb 25, 2016 21:04
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ApeHawk posted:Why does Thea remain the only smart and logical person in the show? Because she hasn't really had any major responsibilities other than "run away with Malcom" and "come back".
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Feb 25, 2016 22:01
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Martout posted:Of all the things she's been upset about in the past this has to be the completely unchallenged #1 on the dumb-dumb list? I think it was worse in the original timeline when she did pretty much the same thing as she did in this episode but because Olly hadn't immediately told her about it and had taken 1 loving day to process that he had a son by himself. Seriously, Felicity drama is the absolute goddamn nadir of this show.
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Feb 25, 2016 22:05
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It's triply irritating because that video message Oliver made was honestly really awesome. William's eighteenth birthday is going to be amazing.
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Feb 25, 2016 22:07
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It's a bad idea to walk out of an apartment after you literally just gained the ability. Should probably take the wheelchair to the doctor and get your legs checked before you walk to your car.
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Feb 25, 2016 22:09
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greatn posted:It's a bad idea to walk out of an apartment after you literally just gained the ability. Should probably take the wheelchair to the doctor and get your legs checked before you walk to your car. true but her regaining her ability to walk and then instantly peacing out was the only funny thing she did all ep
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Feb 25, 2016 22:15
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BrianWilly posted:It's triply irritating because that video message Oliver made was honestly really awesome. William's eighteenth birthday is going to be amazing. Like he's not gonna find out in like a year or two
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Feb 25, 2016 22:42
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Aphrodite posted:They're just making Oliver and Laurel fit better. There's literally nothing he can do that she hasn't had to deal with from him already. I think I'm on board. Felicity is just an awful fit for Oliver. Her coping mechanism for his bullshit is to cry and scream and sulk and demand that he open up more emotionally make ultimatums. Laurel's primary coping method, on the other hand, is to roll her eyes and beat the poo poo out of some criminals. Come on, which fits better with him?
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Feb 25, 2016 23:20
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ApeHawk posted:Why does Thea remain the only smart and logical person in the show? Kinda want to say that Laurel's pretty up there too. She's probably been one of the most stable supporting characters around since the end of season 2, with her only major fuckup since was bringing back Sara (which is really nullified since it got us both Constantine and stoner Sara on Legends).
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Feb 25, 2016 23:26
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And a crippling alcohol addiction that got her disbarred.
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Feb 25, 2016 23:28
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Slandible posted:And a crippling alcohol addiction that got her disbarred. She bounced back from that in the most hilarious way possible, so I give it a pass. Unlike Felicity's crytalking bullshit, Laurel's fuckups usually have some good results.
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Feb 25, 2016 23:38
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Soothing Vapors posted:true but her regaining her ability to walk and then instantly peacing out was the only funny thing she did all ep Yeah that was amazing. Also  as all hell that Ollie got to totally clown Dhark in front of his son. As soon as that started happening all I could think was "Well, that Flash figure is getting lost at the bottom of the toy bin." then they went and did it. The  that kid is going to have when he sees that video and connects the dots.
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Feb 25, 2016 23:39
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Scyantific posted:She bounced back from that in the most hilarious way possible, so I give it a pass. She learned from the best Functional Alcoholic in town! He'd be proud.
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Feb 25, 2016 23:51
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Just replace Felicity with Nyssa.
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Feb 26, 2016 00:03
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They are already married
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nooneofconsequence posted:Just replace Felicity with Nyssa. It's not like she has anything better to do. Plus she can go gal-pal it up with Laurel again and gently caress with Oliver by cracking jokes about their sham creepy ritual marriage.
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Feb 26, 2016 00:10
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Please have Felicity walk out of the show forever.
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Feb 26, 2016 02:09
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I thought the last scene was Felicity coming to him to apologize and say that she understood. When she put the ring on the table I audibly said "Oh, gently caress YOU" I don't understand this decision. Are we supposed to sympathize with her? If so, why did we have the scene earlier where Samantha was talking to her and very explicitly laid out that she was the one who forced him to do it and it seemed like Felicity was starting to understand? Why did we have literally every other character (Dig, Thea, even the crappy new animal girl) tell Oliver that they sympathized and understood? How could they possibly write that last scene without realizing that its going to make people hate Felicity and not be on her side at all? I mean I guess its not surprising considering the earlier episode in the alternate timeline where she broke it off because he didn't tell her about his son within an hour of him first finding out about it.
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Feb 26, 2016 02:49
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How has Dahrk not realized Oliver is green arrow? This makes literally no sense.
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Feb 26, 2016 03:09
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Tonight's Legends of Tomorrow ep established a bit of a spoiler for Arrow: It takes place in Star City in 2046. Connor Hawke is Diggle's son, and it sounded like Diggle died well after this season's events, so it can't be him in the grave.
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Feb 26, 2016 03:14
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bbf2 posted:I thought the last scene was Felicity coming to him to apologize and say that she understood. When she put the ring on the table I audibly said "Oh, gently caress YOU" Well, two likely possibilities. One is that the writers are just utterly incompetent. (honestly can't really ignore this one) Other one is that the writers do realize this and it's just as people say, they're setting up for a future Oliver & Laurel romance without making Oliver look like the bad guy.
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Feb 26, 2016 03:21
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hcreight posted:Tonight's Legends of Tomorrow ep established a bit of a spoiler for Arrow: It takes place in Star City in 2046. Connor Hawke is Diggle's son, and it sounded like Diggle died well after this season's events, so it can't be him in the grave. This is an alternate future 2046; its events aren't tied to this season of Arrow.
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Ville Valo posted:This is an alternate future 2046; its events aren't tied to this season of Arrow. The episode made it perfectly clear that the 2046 they visited was one where the LoT team never returned from their mission. So unless the team returns to 2016 before the gravestone scene and changes the timeline in such a way that gets Diggle killed, he can't die this season. Unless this is just some really bad plotting, which again, you can't rule out with these writers.
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Feb 26, 2016 03:33
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Soothing Vapors posted:true but her regaining her ability to walk and then instantly peacing out was the only funny thing she did all ep Self-righteous, tearful rage is what makes the chip work, so she's going to have to keep coming back to Oliver for re-disappointment or become paralyzed again.
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Feb 26, 2016 03:55
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bbf2 posted:I thought the last scene was Felicity coming to him to apologize and say that she understood. When she put the ring on the table I audibly said "Oh, gently caress YOU" I was actually expecting Felicity and Baby Mama to have bonded and start actually liking each other by the end of the episode. "He kidnapped my son!" "He put me in this wheelchair." Sundays at 8, on FOX
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Felicity's miraculous walk out the door was OTT, but her breaking off the engagement didn't seem too ridiculous to me. Oliver's inability to trust or rely on others has been well-established as a running theme throughout the show. And he has regularly shared deep secrets with other people before -- there was little reason for him not to tell such a huge one to Felicity now. Spouses constantly tell each other secrets that they've promised not to tell to anyone else. And the icing on the cake was him not even mentioning to her beforehand that he was sending off his kid and baby-mama forever for the rest of his son's childhood. It's not about seeking Felicity's permission, it's about a complete lack of sense of partnership, reliance, inclusion, equality, etc. with a (future) spouse. If he doesn't need her for something computer-related, he rarely if ever seeks her help or advice. Doesn't bode well for marriage and it makes sense she might think that.
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Feb 26, 2016 04:01
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This dumb show is good when it wants to be. There is no need to jump onto the melodramatic train whenever they aren't having bad fight scenes. I refuse to believe teenage girls are the main demo for these shows.
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Feb 26, 2016 04:14
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It's none of her god drat business. He should and probably would tell her the decision he made on William, but she isn't owed a consult.
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Feb 26, 2016 04:15
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I feel like the writers are just fulfilling the Monkeys Paw wish cycle for Olicity shippers. "Yeah, we made the thing you want to happen, happen, now choke on it." Or you could chalk this up to CWness exerting itself.
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Feb 26, 2016 04:20
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The lady playing Vixen wasn't very good, IMO.
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Feb 26, 2016 04:44
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Laurel has been undergoing a steady development character arc for four goddamn seasons without backsliding which is more than twice over I can say for Felicity. Put Felicity back in the black hair and ankh and make her the new Calculator, put Mr. Terrific in her place instead, and then for the love of gods finally get around to getting Ollie and Laurel together. Let's get this nonsense over with ASAP.
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Wow, what an atrociously bad episode! - Vixen was bad and her special effects were loving terrible. - Darkh's fight scenes... lol? The dude knows like two moves: force choke and force push. - Felicity is a horrible, dumb character now. Thank you, writers! - More boring flashbacks... Also, I laughed out loud when Oliver was introducing Vixen and said to the group, "we had an animated encounter in Detroit last year" right in the middle of the awkwardness of it being revealed that he had had an affair while dating Laurel. It's one of those things where it's obvious what he meant, but could have been misconstrued otherwise.
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Feb 26, 2016 05:37
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I want more info on what Constantine is doing in Hell.
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Feb 26, 2016 06:08
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Titan posted:I want more info on what Constantine is doing in Hell. Find out in Season 2 of Const- oh.
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I'm annoyed that they spoiled its ending actually.
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