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Maluco Marinero
Jan 18, 2001

Damn that's a
fine elephant.

Moola posted:

I used it thinking it would give the user cover too

nah

That said though, it is a way you could make a piece of high cover support WAR suits + 1, it's highly situational but could help if you haven't got enough high cover to go around.

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RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Broken to the end, the Advent Network Tower map just simultaneous exploded, instant killing an Andromedon in stasis and creating an untargetable Andromedon Shell. :thumbsup:

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Moola posted:

I wish there was a mod that made Shieldwall an actual good ability you would ever want to use in any situation

i don't even understand why this ability exists


it's just so completely worthless

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

Ferrinus posted:

What you can do is get everyone in the evac zone, then hit 3-3-tab, 3-3-tab, etc. The game doesn't actually prevent you from selecting other soldiers and giving them orders while the evac animation is playing.

Yeah, except for all the times it fucks up and stays on one soldier until they finish the rope animation. Overwatch all and Evac all are basically must have mods imo.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

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The last pod in the tower killed my Andromedon, giving them a Shell. Oh yeah, it also gave them all their turns back and cleared their status effects. That's cool. Good. Great to see that the last mission is just as nonfunctional as EU's was. :thumbsup:

e: Also the whole map keeps exploding at random so there is almost no cover anywhere.

RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Feb 26, 2016

Wizard Styles
Aug 6, 2014

level 15 disillusionist

Moola posted:

I wish there was a mod that made Shieldwall an actual good ability you would ever want to use in any situation
Maybe if it gave the user extra armor (if there actually is another soldier adjacent to them)?


Maluco Marinero posted:

That said though, it is a way you could make a piece of high cover support WAR suits + 1, it's highly situational but could help if you haven't got enough high cover to go around.
A conga line behind a tree, the king of defensive formations.

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

RBA Starblade posted:

The last pod in the tower killed my Andromedon, giving them a Shell. Oh yeah, it also gave them all their turns back and cleared their status effects. That's cool. Good. Great to see that the last mission is just as nonfunctional as EU's was. :thumbsup:

e: Also the whole map keeps exploding at random so there is almost no cover anywhere.

Most pieces of cover in that map are secretly explosive charges and they will explode if you look at them too hard. Completely serious.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

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counterfeitsaint posted:

Most pieces of cover in that map are secretly explosive charges and they will explode if you look at them too hard. Completely serious.

None of the walls in the true final mission count as walls so everyone can shoot everything.

-Dethstryk-
Oct 20, 2000
On maintaining B/C teams, I do a stupid bit of roleplaying in my game where (if it's viable) I only have one of the whatever the highest rank in my soldier list on a mission. I pretend like my organization wouldn't send the top ranked people every time just to potentially get them all killed.

It sounds silly, but it's satisfying for me and actually works pretty well on making sure I use way more of my roster. (Which is great, because I get so attached to these stupid fake people.)

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

-Dethstryk- posted:

On maintaining B/C teams, I do a stupid bit of roleplaying in my game where (if it's viable) I only have one of the whatever the highest rank in my soldier list on a mission. I pretend like my organization wouldn't send the top ranked people every time just to potentially get them all killed.

I always bring the highest ranked (below Colonel) soldier of each class, plus either 2 squaddies (early) or 2 psi-ops (late).

...which is why I hate the new "put +coolstuff consumables on troops" mechanic.

Exposure
Apr 4, 2014

Moola posted:


it makes retreating and using line of sight to block long distance enemies very important

...you're using the True Concealment mod for this aren't you?

Actually that would make it more doable, yeah. Actually sounds like something I should consider trying out once I fail/finish this Legend attempt.

Exposure fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Feb 26, 2016

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Thank god for Restoration, because Commander's Totally Random Mind Control just hosed me over when it ran off with it in the middle of my squad, and only two out of six members felt like trying to save their lives.

Locke Dunnegan
Apr 25, 2005

Respectable Bespectacled Receptacle
I'm like 80% sure that Haywire/Mind Control last until the cooldown comes back up. I only paid attention three times in the final mission on Veteran, but I correctly predicted it all three times.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

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Locke Dunnegan posted:

I'm like 80% sure that Haywire/Mind Control last until the cooldown comes back up. I only paid attention three times in the final mission on Veteran, but I correctly predicted it all three times.

That might be the minimum, I had it ready to fire again long before the Gatekeeper turned.

e: Wouldn't be surprised if it was bugged either. XCOM2's been amazing, but just as broken as EU, just in different ways.

e: help the aliens have destroyed the framerate

RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Feb 26, 2016

Locke Dunnegan
Apr 25, 2005

Respectable Bespectacled Receptacle
Commander Bronzeman, Flawless Blacksite, all 22 ETs killed, no enemy shots fired. Operation "Little Gods" indeed. :smug:

I reaaaaally should have autopsied Mutons earlier. I have T2 everything and have Plasma researched, and am still using T1 grenades. If it wasn't for Shredder scaling with tech I'd be having a much worse time of things.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

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The walls don't work, the framerate is single digits, the camera is flying into the deep, the aliens get four actions a turn, the things that say "guaranteed damage" are being dodged, and I'm still winning. :smug:

e: Nevermind, the game just auto fired my explosives directly at my feet. Cool.

e: Lol the rng seed broke too. When I reloaded the turn, my andromedon crit a guy. This time he missed. I did nothing different.

RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Feb 26, 2016

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
Mutons are now my favourite priority research. Early double-damage grenades on 3 grenadiers is soo goood.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

XCOM Lives! I'd love to compare my stats to the global ones but it couldn't connect. It's too bad the last levels are so buggy because they're cool as hell otherwise; I'd feel bad about reloading it a few times but the los issues and it just firing my explosives straight down forced me to. I really hope the expansions do more with rallying civilians or helping them fight while dealing with that other threat. Also it's interesting that they retcon the last game then keep more or less the same ending and warnings (and I assume the Uber Ethereal is supposed to be the one Ethereal shittalking you in 2). I love the aesthetics and design of these games so much.



I don't know why it says 2 soldiers died. 3 did, the two tutorial rookies, and that rookie from the broken tutorial mission where the truck exploded at random with no way to prevent it. Hilariously, by the end most missions had a 100% shot rate - unless I brought the sniper along. :haw:

Time to go to Commander!

e: Now that I've beaten it vanilla I'm ready for mods. I haven't really been paying attention to them, throw me some cool customization ones! I've got Capnbeeb's helmets, Evac All, and Overwatch All so far.

e: Oh also I really like the implication that the reason the aliens are so deadset on Earth is because they have nowhere else to go. You're fighting the remains of all those alien races.

RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Feb 26, 2016

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves
WHAT THE ACTUAL gently caress

My best ranger just paniced, ran next to my wounded medic and killed them both with a suicidal nade.

:wtc:

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

I had a panicked soldier throw a grenade into a cluster of three civilians, it owned

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Is there an easy way to clear your saves out?

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



RBA Starblade posted:

e: Now that I've beaten it vanilla I'm ready for mods. I haven't really been paying attention to them, throw me some cool customization ones! I've got Capnbeeb's helmets, Evac All, and Overwatch All so far.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=632537892 :D

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

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It sure didn't take long to lose Gatecrasher on Commander. That's what happens when it spawns both pods sandwiching you and no enemies miss though. :v:


Oh there we go, thanks!

e: Lol, reloaded and got 3 grave wounds, but 4 promotions.

RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Feb 26, 2016

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

RBA Starblade posted:

Is there an easy way to clear your saves out?

If you're on Windows, saves are located in Documents\My Games\XCOM2\XComGame\SaveData.

Moola
Aug 16, 2006

Exposure posted:

...you're using the True Concealment mod for this aren't you?

Actually that would make it more doable, yeah. Actually sounds like something I should consider trying out once I fail/finish this Legend attempt.

yeah but it's set so that I need 2 turns of no contact before conceal reactivates

pretty much never happens unless you actually retreat and hide but I prefer it that way

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

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Pakled posted:

If you're on Windows, saves are located in Documents\My Games\XCOM2\XComGame\SaveData.

Thanks, I'm never sure if the cloud will get updated when I do that or not.

e: Lowtax is my sniper now.

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

Pakled posted:

If you're on Windows, saves are located in Documents\My Games\XCOM2\XComGame\SaveData.

This is super good. I hate having 20 saves sitting around from all my failed ironman runs

Maximum Planck
Feb 16, 2012

XCOM newbie here. I wish the game did a better job of explaining things before said things gently caress me over, but I'm beginning to deal. When I actually know what I'm doing the game is very enjoyable.

One thing that confuses me is the interaction between overwatch and Codex's teleport. Does overwatch only trigger if the Codex blinks to a tile without cover?

02-6611-0142-1 posted:

I had a panicked soldier throw a grenade into a cluster of three civilians, it owned

That also happened to me. War is hell. :whitewater:

Huszsersvn
Nov 11, 2009

Nice world you've got here. Shame if anything were to happen to it.

As much as I have learned of the aliens during combat, I realize just how little I really know about them outside of that context. If they could speak to us, what would they say? What do they think? A dissected corpse tells us much, yes, but is it too much to learn from a living specimen?

Joust
Dec 7, 2007

No Ledges.

Huszsersvn posted:

As much as I have learned of the aliens during combat, I realize just how little I really know about them outside of that context. If they could speak to us, what would they say? What do they think? A dissected corpse tells us much, yes, but is it too much to learn from a living specimen?

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

Maximum Planck posted:

Does overwatch only trigger if the Codex blinks to a tile without cover?


Overwatch normally only triggers when enemies move. If they perform a special ability or just attack where they stand, it doesn't trigger, and that goes for Teleport too. Do not rely on overwatch when dealing with Codex.

A codex may teleport or may walk to a location, depending on how things go. But their whole moveset is designed to keep your party scattered; don't clump people together. And of course, don't forget, Flashbangs neutralize them nicely.

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.

RBA Starblade posted:

e: Now that I've beaten it vanilla I'm ready for mods. I haven't really been paying attention to them, throw me some cool customization ones! I've got Capnbeeb's helmets, Evac All, and Overwatch All so far.

The most important mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=619617866

... especially since in my first, vanilla run, I gave my big manly sniper a pink gun and called it the Hello Kitty gun anyway.

Maximum Planck
Feb 16, 2012

Speedball posted:

Overwatch normally only triggers when enemies move. If they perform a special ability or just attack where they stand, it doesn't trigger, and that goes for Teleport too. Do not rely on overwatch when dealing with Codex.

A codex may teleport or may walk to a location, depending on how things go. But their whole moveset is designed to keep your party scattered; don't clump people together. And of course, don't forget, Flashbangs neutralize them nicely.

I see. It'd make sense to me if movement abilities triggered overwatch, but at least there's an internal logic to it. And thanks for the tip, I'll kit someone out with a flashbang.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
Does burning on codices also disable their nasty toys?

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

Phobophilia posted:

Does burning on codices also disable their nasty toys?

It would if they weren't immune to fire, acid and poison (they've effectively got the Fortress ability). They are only susceptible to mental status effects.

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
IIRC, Flashbangs work just fine on them. It's a good grenade to slot on your Gunner Grenadiers for whatever you can't kill in time, if you prefer them to have Heavy Ordnance/Salvo instead of Holo-targeting/Hail of Bullets.

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

Maximum Planck posted:

I see. It'd make sense to me if movement abilities triggered overwatch, but at least there's an internal logic to it. And thanks for the tip, I'll kit someone out with a flashbang.

Oh, one more thing: Specialists do get Covering Fire which is an upgraded Overwatch that lets them pre-emptively attack if an enemy in their range tries to use a special ability or attack, as well as just moving. It even triggers before the enemy attacks.

They alternately get the ability to make Aid Protocol give Covering Fire to someone else (unless they've put their own gremlin on Aiding themselves) for a turn. These are useful against a Codex if it decides to teleport behind someone and shoot at them. Plus I like giving Specialists "Ever Vigilant" so they automatically go into overwatch if they just moved during their last turn. It's like them sliding into cover and propping their weapon up at the same time. VERY useful on timed missions where you can't afford to overwatch-creep like you did in Enemy Unknown, this way you get to rush around *and* overwatch at the same time.

Normally Overwatches carry an aim penalty too, but you can buy a G.T.S. ability for specialists to make overwatches have +10 aim (i'm not sure if this means they just have -5 aim overall or if it completely negates the aim penalty and gives you +10 on top, but either way, it's good).

Hi Jinx
Feb 12, 2016
I've been through the game a couple of times now but the biggest cliffhanger hasn't been answered: WHERE do all those juicy burgers come from after all, if noone's seen a cow in a while? Do we ever find out?

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015

Hi Jinx posted:

I've been through the game a couple of times now but the biggest cliffhanger hasn't been answered: WHERE do all those juicy burgers come from after all, if noone's seen a cow in a while? Do we ever find out?

I don't think we wanna know.

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Jintor
May 19, 2014

BlazetheInferno posted:

I don't think we wanna know.

Yeah, I mean, it goes great with my soylent cola, so who gives

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