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Jumpingmanjim posted:Someone remind me why Marissa Meyer left a good job at google for this shitshow. No one's going to blame you if Yahoo goes bankrupt.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Someone remind me why Marissa Meyer left a good job at google for this shitshow.
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Feb 26, 2016 00:24
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Someone remind me why Marissa Meyer left a good job at google for this shitshow. Better to reign in the clownhouse than serve in heaven.
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Feb 26, 2016 00:30
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She got reorged out of power at Google and got an insane amount of non-refundable money from Yahoo, with a hefty golden parachute. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/adding-up-marissa-mayers-pay-at-yahoo/ computer parts posted:No one's going to blame you if Yahoo goes bankrupt. Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Feb 26, 2016 |
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Feb 26, 2016 00:39
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Someone remind me why Marissa Meyer left a good job at google for this shitshow.
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Feb 26, 2016 00:52
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archangelwar posted:Having worked closely with them and aborted the interview process due to discovering their toxic culture and philosophy, I can confirm that it is the latter but internalized in a way as to be seen as a very very very good thing. Hot drat. I wish I remembered enough German to find the word midway between "impressed" and "horrified".
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Feb 26, 2016 01:07
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I can't say that I know what Yahoo should have done differently. Microsoft might wish they could go back in time and drop the Bing stuff and make the first smartphone OS. Yahoo would want to go back in time and ...?
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Feb 26, 2016 02:21
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Accepted the bid from Microsoft in 08.
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Feb 26, 2016 02:27
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Phyzzle posted:I can't say that I know what Yahoo should have done differently. Microsoft might wish they could go back in time and drop the Bing stuff and make the first smartphone OS. Yahoo would want to go back in time and ...?
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Feb 26, 2016 02:38
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Phyzzle posted:I can't say that I know what Yahoo should have done differently. Microsoft might wish they could go back in time and drop the Bing stuff and make the first smartphone OS. Yahoo would want to go back in time and ...? Buy out Google when they first started. Larry and Sergey tried to sell PageRank to all the big search engines at first. They had the capital to do it, but they considered search a small, relatively unimportant part of their business, so they thought what they had was good enough.
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Feb 26, 2016 02:56
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Someone remind me why Marissa Meyer left a good job at google for this shitshow. Run for president in 8 years
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Feb 26, 2016 03:23
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MS developing a Smartphone OS would have been terrible terrible. They just wouldn't have the UI know-how that crazy Old Man Jobs had. And their hardware would have been shiiiiiiiiit. Not to mention having to put your phone away for 20 minutes while WinDOS updates drivers and poo poo. Yahoo could have tried to sell enterprise Email and undercut Outlook. Otherwise it's just sell while the brand means half a poo poo.
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Feb 26, 2016 03:24
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Remember how yahoo bought Flickr I wonder how that worked out for them
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Feb 26, 2016 03:29
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Konstantin posted:Buy out Google when they first started. Larry and Sergey tried to sell PageRank to all the big search engines at first. They had the capital to do it, but they considered search a small, relatively unimportant part of their business, so they thought what they had was good enough.
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Feb 26, 2016 03:33
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If I were Yahoo way back when I would have gone the route the telecoms have and try to buy/control entire media pipelines instead of spending 15 years too long being a web portal.
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Feb 26, 2016 03:34
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FilthyImp posted:MS developing a Smartphone OS would have been terrible terrible. They just wouldn't have the UI know-how that crazy Old Man Jobs had. And their hardware would have been shiiiiiiiiit. I don't buy that. Probably writing cell phone operating systems is easier than writing Windows. Smartphone OS programmers were/are in a great situation where they didn't have to worry about backwards compatibility and maintaining compatibility with many different hardware configurations. Also, mobile operating systems have way less features and functionality than the old desktop OSes too.
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Feb 26, 2016 03:45
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silence_kit posted:Smartphone OS programmers were/are in a great situation where they didn't have to worry about backwards compatibility and maintaining compatibility with many different hardware configurations. Plus, I had one of those PocketOS phones from, like, a year before the iPhone hit. It was a mini version of Windows, with a little start menu, that lost all settings and basically factory reset if the battery went dead. There was an SD card port that could be used to add a WiFi card, but you had to install the driver on the phone by hooking it into your PC and poo poo. It always felt like an inferior version of Windows. IPhone not fragmenting its hardware, and later having apps run like programs on a regular computer, without having to worry about hardware problems, was like a revelation after that thing.
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Feb 26, 2016 04:36
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Phyzzle posted:I can't say that I know what Yahoo should have done differently. Microsoft might wish they could go back in time and drop the Bing stuff and make the first smartphone OS. Yahoo would want to go back in time and ...? I'm not a business analyst or particularly hawkeyed following them, but as a person in advertising who sat through their presentations one key one comes off the top of my head. You are a digital business, and digital business killed the magazine business. Why would you spend hundreds of millions on magazines? The others would be; sell out to Microsoft in 2008, don't buy tumblr, don't have a terrible website layout, don't have terrible digital tech/tech integration, don't gently caress up your app, and don't gently caress up your video service. Edit: Firing employees based on the basis of a bell curve system is phenomenally stupid. When Scott Adams can make fun of you, and did so decades before this plan came into existence, you have severely hosed up. Barudak fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Feb 26, 2016 |
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Feb 26, 2016 05:28
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Someone remind me why Marissa Meyer left a good job at google for this shitshow. She's going to make close to half a billion dollars running Yahoo (further) into the ground.
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Feb 26, 2016 06:20
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Microsoft used to make pocket pc pdas that could have phones integrated into them- I used to see them at Circuit Court all the time, even considered one when I bought my old hp iPaq. Does that not count as a smartphone?
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Feb 26, 2016 06:38
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Barudak posted:Edit: Firing employees based on the basis of a bell curve system is phenomenally stupid. When Scott Adams can make fun of you, and did so decades before this plan came into existence, you have severely hosed up. Google does it. That's why Mayer thinks it's a good idea. Google stack ranks *every quarter*.
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Feb 26, 2016 06:39
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Guess you need to keep the HR people busy with something. I think our school system had something like stack ranking for awhile, because everyone knew just a set % of students could get the top grades - so teachers felt forced to only give out a certain number of the highest grades to keep to that average 
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Feb 26, 2016 06:50
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Google does it. That's why Mayer thinks it's a good idea. Does Google let people work remotely? Wasn't shutting that down one of Mayer's bets?
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Feb 26, 2016 06:57
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Doc Hawkins posted:Does Google let people work remotely? Wasn't shutting that down one of Mayer's bets? Google lets sales work remotely, but that sales and I don't know the rest of the business. Mayer did shut down telecommuting, suspiciously right after she wrapped up maternity leave and no longer needed it. Well that and also building a nursery for only her child next to her office.
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Feb 26, 2016 07:00
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max4me posted:Remember how yahoo bought Flickr I wonder how that worked out for them They ruined the UI 3 years ago
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Feb 26, 2016 11:18
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Yahoo's history is a comedy of unforced errors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Yahoo! Yahoo search ads are dirt cheap and are helping me hit my numbers, so there's that, though the platform is vastly under-developed compared to AdWords. I used to use their weather app but they ruined that. Microsoft should buy it for a bag of nickels. If Mayer does take it private, she's just going to Joker all that investor cash.
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Feb 26, 2016 11:28
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It was a consistent August treat for the last ~10 years to go to the Yahoo page to find fantasy football again and dear god the visual chaos. If a company decided to not buy Yahoo for $1 out of a superstitious fear that a design contagion could spread into their company I wouldn't blame them.
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Feb 26, 2016 12:04
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Pope Guilty posted:Microsoft used to make pocket pc pdas that could have phones integrated into them- I used to see them at Circuit Court all the time, even considered one when I bought my old hp iPaq. Does that not count as a smartphone? They were smartphones a good 7-8 years before the iphone showed up. It is really weird to see so many people forget that. The OS was very terrible. Literally windows shrunk to a 2.4" screen with start menu and application borders and tiny close buttons. There were 3 ways to install apps and none of them worked. They were popular and are still in use for business applications such as scanners in warehouses and dispatch services. Windows CE was a thing, just not a very good thing.
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Feb 26, 2016 13:38
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MS hosed up by abandoning any pretense of business use with WP7 and tried to make an iPhone. I mean why bother leveraging your gigantic monopoly on business use at all.
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Feb 26, 2016 13:57
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NihilismNow posted:They were smartphones a good 7-8 years before the iphone showed up. It is really weird to see so many people forget that. They were forgotten probably because they were entirely terrible. iPhone and to a lesser extent android marked the beginning of sane ui for smartphones that made using them not a terrible chore. MS certainly was able to envision the idea of tiny ultraportable computers in the vein of smartphones, but they were completely unable to design an interface and use pattern that didn't leverage Windows heavily and that's why they failed to capture the market
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Feb 26, 2016 14:07
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MS's insistence on unity of branding and form has screwed them over and over and over. When they finally opened their eyes to what a good touchscreen OS needs they tried to push it back to desktop, resulting in the abortion that was Windows 8
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Feb 26, 2016 14:14
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Condiv posted:MS's insistence on unity of branding and form has screwed them over and over and over. When they finally opened their eyes to what a good touchscreen OS needs they tried to push it back to desktop, resulting in the abortion that was Windows 8 I haven't really thought of that, but it's loving true. MS in 2002 insisted on shoving a desktop UI into a mobile device and it was poo poo. MS in 2012 insisted on shoving a mobile UI into a desktop device and it was poo poo.
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Feb 26, 2016 14:28
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IMO MS's insistence on unity of form most likely extends from a mistaken understanding of what powers the sales of Windows. They mistakenly believe they have strong brand loyalty when in fact all the little moves they made to lock customers in holds customers hostage to the Windows platform ( that and inertia). It's why their forays into other markets keep failing when MS doesn't have those aspects to lean on
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Feb 26, 2016 14:29
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I really love that choice, and I'm not sure if I'd prefer it to be tongue-in-cheek or, somehow, a perfectly straight-faced misunderstanding of the source material. Not only that, but every time the palantir is used it actually reveals things in such a way that even though they are true, they are misinterpreted. When Saruman uses it he sees how powerful Sauron is and switches sides, Denethor tried to look into Mordor and despaired that they'd never win against Sauron's forces, Pippin looked in it and Sauron mistakenly thought it was because he had the ring, and finally I think Aragorn shows it something wrong on purpose to trick Sauron into not looking for Frodo. I remember encountering them in the military and really being puzzled at their choice of name.
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Feb 26, 2016 15:26
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Palantir employees really don't like it when you bring that stuff up.
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Feb 26, 2016 15:45
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Doc Hawkins posted:Does Google let people work remotely? Wasn't shutting that down one of Mayer's bets? IIRC you can take WAH days, but you can't be hired as a telecommuter. "The refrigerator repairman is coming", yes; "I don't want to live in Palo Alto", no.
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Feb 26, 2016 16:20
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There are telecommuting workers, but they're rare.
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Feb 26, 2016 18:24
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I thought Google got rid of stack ranking? Also my understanding is that the no telecommuting thing at Google is often for security purposes. A lot of their source code and data can't leave the building for very good reasons.
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Feb 26, 2016 19:00
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Arsenic Lupin posted:She got reorged out of power at Google and got an insane amount of non-refundable money from Yahoo, with a hefty golden parachute. I thought they were already worth more on paper than in stock when she was brought on, no? Granted, her buying a bunch of garbage for too much money just made that worse, but still, she just failed to stop the inevitable rather than taking an OK company and loving it over. E: also lol that people don't remember that there were MS smartphones for about a decade before there was a usable iPhone worth buying.
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Munkeymon posted:I thought they were already worth more on paper than in stock when she was brought on, no? Granted, her buying a bunch of garbage for too much money just made that worse, but still, she just failed to stop the inevitable rather than taking an OK company and loving it over. If I recall correctly, she didn't get options, she got actual stock. Even with the stock falling, that's still millions, and the golden parachute is in money, not stock.
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