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Eastern Europe thread goes fourth. Lots of stuff has happened in Eastern Europe since the last OP, but not much has changed. Ukraine The reason for the original Eastern Europe thread. Ukraine still has Russians and Russian-backed militants occupying parts of Donetsk and Luhansk. The militants insist the �Kyiv Junta� recognize their sovereignty. The Ukrainian government is having none of it. It may not be in the news as much as it was two years ago, but there is still fighting going on in the ATO. The Minsk ceasefire officially is holding the violence down, but yesterday alone there were 56 violations. Meanwhile, they're still protesting in Kyiv. https://twitter.com/HromadskeTV/status/702816621073731585 They're still burning tires in Kyiv. https://twitter.com/radiosvoboda/status/702766244802514945 Reforms in the Ukrainian government have been slow and naturally people are mad about that. President Poroshenko asked Prime Minister Yatsenyuk to step down but he survived the no-confidence vote and remains. Crimea is still hosed. Still under Russian occupation and any loyal Ukrainians or Tatars are finding it harder to live there. Some resistance has led to power lines being sabotaged, and water is becoming scarce. The Ukrainian government today launched a new campaign, �Crimea is Ukraine.� Poland Ask any Polish goon how things are going in their country and you will get pages of details about new government, new president, and how they're doing a splendid job turning Poland into a complete shithole. Poland elected handsome and charismatic Andrzej Duda president, and a new government in 2015. The majority party is PiS (Law and Justice) and they are wasting no time making lots of changes in Poland that seems to be either causing our Polish brothers and sisters to suffer serious liver damage or brain aneurysms. Nothing is safe, the media, the courts, nothing! Russia Despite absolutely not helping militants in Donbass and absolutely not only targeting ISIS in Syrian airstrikes, Russia has plenty of problems on its plate. Oil is very cheap, and the Russian ruble is very expensive. A certain goon moderator continues to make it really hard for official Russian dialogue to remain believable. And now to debunk Brown Moses and his conspiracy theories about what caused MH17 to crash, here is a bona fide 911 Truther to explain everything he got wrong. Standard and Poors projects the Russian economy will continue to decline this year. Fighting wars in two countries, even if Russian authorities deny involvement in one of them has to be expensive, especially when it costs 84,00 rubles to buy a euro. Russia's a tough country though. They've survived times of troubles, famine, wars, so there's no reason they won't survive a little economic hardship too. Besides, killing Belarus It still exists. Lukashenko was elected to his fifth term as president in another totally unsurprising landslide. Today Putin was in Minsk with Medvedev to discuss The Union State with Lukashenko. Minsk was voted the worst city in Europe to live in. No one knows what's going on with the Russian air base anymore, but plenty of missiles appear to be cropping up along the border Belarus shares with Poland and Lithuania. July 1. 2016: Today Belarus went through currency Denomination. 10,000 br of the old money is now worth 1 br of the new money. For the first time, Belarus will also have coins. The first paper currency denomination is the 5 br. So far, the denomination is going as smoothly as you could expect. Belarusians are of course having fun posting to social media today with the new money. https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F/ https://twitter.com/ser9ee/status/748793895555768320 Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia All three countries still have NATO troops taking up space in their countries. There were articles about how racist some Estonians were to NATO troops published the day before their independence day. Latvia would just like NATO to send more please. Lithuania is busy opening up a chain of burger restaurants in Florida. Vilnius was recently rated 79th in the world for having the best quality of life. Balkan States and Southeastern Europe Goons from these countries post in this thread often. Please continue! Anything happening in the former Soviet Union states can be discussed here. Free-fire zone, within reason. Please continue to observe the No Clancy Chat policy. Slav-squatting, or videos of the excellent and safe driving conditions of Russia and other such things belong in the GBS thread. Some useful links: Live UA Map Good real-time source for what's happening just about everywhere in the world now. Bellingcat, or Brown Moses' slick website for citizen journalists Vice News excellent series on the conflict in Eastern Ukraine. Russian Zen - watch the price of oil and the Russian ruble fall in real time! Polish news sources in English are hard to come by, but if you have Google Translate you're okay. Russian news sources except for a few exceptions are Kremlin-controlled now. More will be added as necessary. In July of 2016, Poland hosted a NATO summit where the focus of the meeting was dealing with big bad Russia. Troops from the US, Germany, Canada, and England will be part of defensive forces in Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Estonia recently received 12 F-15 fighters from the United States. Somehow, the US presidential election has an Eastern European connection: Donald Trump's campaign has a number of campaign staff and advisers who also worked for Putin or Viktor Yanukovych. Trump has blurted out in interviews and speeches that NATO has lost it's usefulness and helping other NATO members should be based on a "pay to play" basis. At the Republican National Convention in mid July Trump insisted that the United States position on Supporting Ukraine against Russia, especially the annexation of Crimea should be changed to Russia's favor. A week prior to the convention, Trump's foreign policy adviser was in Russia speaking at a dinner. But it could all be a coincidence, just like this In early August the Kremlin accused Ukraine of attempting a terrorist attack on one of the checkpoints into Crimea. FSB stopped the attack, but an FSB officer and a Russian Soldier died. Out of a team of seven only one arrest has been made. Ukrainian government denies it of course, and suggest it was FSB fighting Drunk Russians,and now Russia wants to blame it on Ukraine. Poroshenko issued a statement saying the Kremlin's accusation are "cynical and insane." There was a joint meeting of the UNSC this week, and Putin has vowed to retaliate against the US and Ukraine for the attack. Minsk II is effectively dead, as fighting in the ATO in Eastern Ukraine has escalated on both sides. Russian military buildup on the borders of Ukraine and Belarus have people concerned Russia may attempt another invasion soon. Brown Moses posted:So Graham Phillips turned up at our press event today, and thought it would be awesome to stand in front of dozens of journalists who had been waiting patiently for about an hour and start screaming at me about NATO HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Fighting wars in two countries, even if Russian authorities deny involvement in one of them has to be expensive, especially when it costs 84,00 rubles to buy a euro.
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Budzilla posted:Bloomberg had this pic in an article a short while ago.
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Budzilla posted:Bloomberg had this pic in an article a short while ago. That's going in the OP.
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The Russia-Ukraine conflict developments of the past 2 years explained in 20 seconds: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c_MVybj7bqE
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Ukrainian forces stationed on the high ground around Sherokyne have occupied the coastal dacha suburb after a year of fighting for it. DNR forces apparently up and left one day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtVWKKNSeYY
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Russia has plenty of problems on its plate. Oil is very cheap, and the Russian ruble is very expensive. I think you got that wrong; oil is very cheap, and so is the ruble. But the cheap ruble is making everything expensive for the Russians.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:That's going in the OP. You also posted the same link twice in the Poland section. I'd like to know about the other thing, unless the Polish are really PiSsed about that one thing.
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Change one of the duplicated links to this guardian piece someone linked, it's a very good read imo.
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# ? Feb 26, 2016 10:23 |
PiSsed is going to be Poland's default state for quite a while.
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Budzilla posted:Bloomberg had this pic in an article a short while ago. lmao
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:charismatic Andrzej Duda Well then!
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One year ago tomorrow.
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anilEhilated posted:PiSsed is going to be Poland's default state for quite a while. Thanks to Poland, I understand why "pissed" means both "angry" and "drunk".
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:
There will be a memorial service for Nemtsov in Vilnius on the 28th. http://www.baltictimes.com/vilnius_to_remember_slain_kremlin_critic_boris_nemtsov_on_february_28/ quote:On Saturday February 28, Vilnius will commemorate the murder of Boris Nemtsov. The date will mark the year anniversary since the staunch critic of Russian president Vladimir Putin, was shot several times in the back while crossing the Bolshoy Moskvoretsky Bridge near the Kremlin in Moscow.
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Pierogi posted:Well then!
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sparatuvs posted:Ukrainian forces stationed on the high ground around Sherokyne have occupied the coastal dacha suburb after a year of fighting for it. DNR forces apparently up and left one day. I like how every single Ukrainian homonazi soldier in that video speaks Russian. Can anyone confirm that (some of) the weapons and equipment found there were russia-only models and variants?
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Pizdec posted:"Bitch I'm adorable" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTuYXZSW6rE
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mobby_6kl posted:I like how every single Ukrainian homonazi soldier in that video speaks Russian. Here's a good link. One prominent example is the AK-74M, a variant that's exclusive to Russia, Azerbaijan, and Cyprus. Guess which of those three countries probably has a stake in invading Ukraine. Also GM-94 pump-action grenade launchers, which are only in service with Russia, PKP Pechenegs, and SVD-S sniper rifles. Someone a little more vehicle spergy could also identify the vehicles, but there's very specific T-72 variants (among others) that are Russian.
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Eastern Europe, best Europe!
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So it's been a while since I've followed the Ukraine conflict. Back then it seemed Ukraine was relying on militia type forces to resist Russian aggression. Do they now use their conventional forces? And if so don't those forces have the mass to retake the east or are they held back by larger concerns of escalation?
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AlexanderCA posted:So it's been a while since I've followed the Ukraine conflict. Back then it seemed Ukraine was relying on militia type forces to resist Russian aggression. Do they now use their conventional forces? And if so don't those forces have the mass to retake the east or are they held back by larger concerns of escalation? No, the Ukrainian army is garbage. It basically are those militia's. They don't have the money to even use what they have.
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In this video courtesy of TV Rain, the head of the Moscow Orthodox Church announces Pope Francis wants to repent and return to the fold of the Holy Orthodox Church. https://tvrain.ru/articles/nastojatel-404341/
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AlexanderCA posted:So it's been a while since I've followed the Ukraine conflict. Back then it seemed Ukraine was relying on militia type forces to resist Russian aggression. Do they now use their conventional forces? And if so don't those forces have the mass to retake the east or are they held back by larger concerns of escalation? Edit: As for now, they have some problems they should resolve before they get up in arms with Russia again, even if it's reclamation of their own country. Besides that, the current state of affairs regarding entrenchment is not completely clear, so who knows if this can realistically be done, at all. Somehow, I feel, it indeed is not really doable at this point, and Ukrainian south-east is not coming back for next decade or two. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Feb 26, 2016 |
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Baronjutter posted:No, the Ukrainian army is garbage. It basically are those militia's. They don't have the money to even use what they have. False. Basically all the fightig was done by the army, while miliia commanders were posting on Facebook.
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There was fighting done by some of all the various battalions and such, but they, by large, were not able to maintain combat operations without embedding with the national guard or the armed forces proper. Makes sense, if you think about logistics.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:In this video courtesy of TV Rain, the head of the Moscow Orthodox Church announces Pope Francis wants to repent and return to the fold of the Holy Orthodox Church. I bet he conveniently he forgets to mention that his church is in subjugation to the Ecumenical Patriarchy of Constantinopole, and therefore even if the Pope accepted the supremacy of the ecumene of Orthodox churches in full communion, the Russian patriarch wouldn't benefit from it, being a lowly bitch in the ecclesiastic hierarchy.
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steinrokkan posted:I bet he conveniently he forgets to mention that his church is in subjugation to the Ecumenical Patriarchy of Constantinopole, and therefore even if the Pope accepted the supremacy of the ecumene of Orthodox churches in full communion, the Russian patriarch wouldn't benefit from it, being a lowly bitch in the ecclesiastic hierarchy. Uhh, excuse me! 2nd Rome < 3rd Rome
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a goon said that the DDOS is from russia and is due to brown moses. world's first D&DOS.
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I thought angry LP kids bought DDoS instead of accounts after Lowtax disabled reading access to unregistered users.
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If that is the reality of Ukrainian military then shouldn't/isn't the West flooding Ukraine with money and military aid? Like, everything they need without the West actually directly involving themselves militarily?
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TheFallenEvincar posted:If that is the reality of Ukrainian military then shouldn't/isn't the West flooding Ukraine with money and military aid? Like, everything they need without the West actually directly involving themselves militarily?
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They're really not that alarmed at all by Putin encroaching into Eastern Europe like this? I thought NATO was increasing troop presence and exercises all over the region. Are they really just okay with Ukraine flailing like this? I guess.
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Trade with Russia is much much more important to Europe than the fate of Ukraine, a hopelessly corrupt and poor garbage country that makes Russia look like a diverse and efficient economy. Despite Russia billing this as an epic east vs west war they've been forced into, the west is mostly ignoring the entire situation. They have little to no interests at stake, why spend money or political capital in the area? The company that made S.T.A.L.K.E.R. went under years ago, Ukraine produces nothing the world gives a poo poo about and isn't a member of any alliance. No friends, nothing of value, and a violent possessive ex next door. Ukraine is hosed.
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Disco Infiva posted:Uhh, excuse me! Putin being a submissive little boy at Mt. Athos, the monastic theocratic state under direct authority of the Ecumenical Patriarchate. BTW, I think if a Russian citizen decided to apply for place in the monasteries of Athos and were chosen for initiation, I believe the Russian government would be obliged by international law to let them go. I wonder if there are any politically motivated de facto immigrants among the many Russian monks living there.
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chitoryu12 posted:Here's a good link. One prominent example is the AK-74M, a variant that's exclusive to Russia, Azerbaijan, and Cyprus. Guess which of those three countries probably has a stake in invading Ukraine. Also GM-94 pump-action grenade launchers, which are only in service with Russia, PKP Pechenegs, and SVD-S sniper rifles. kalstrams posted:There was fighting done by some of all the various battalions and such, but they, by large, were not able to maintain combat operations without embedding with the national guard or the armed forces proper. Makes sense, if you think about logistics. Speaking of militias, I saw an interesting report on Inter news here today. The family of a KIA Right Sector volunteer was demanding for him to receive proper combatant status, and thus all kinds of support that entails for the remaining family. As much as this sucks for the family, the courts have been denying this so far, which is IMO the correct thing. Because first of all, who the gently caress volunteers to go fighting when they have an unborn child on the way, and secondly, it's better not to legitimize these sorts of militias anyway.
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mobby_6kl posted:Speaking of militias, I saw an interesting report on Inter news here today. The family of a KIA Right Sector volunteer was demanding for him to receive proper combatant status, and thus all kinds of support that entails for the remaining family. As much as this sucks for the family, the courts have been denying this so far, which is IMO the correct thing. Because first of all, who the gently caress volunteers to go fighting when they have an unborn child on the way, and secondly, it's better not to legitimize these sorts of militias anyway.
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^^^ Right Sector is also one of the very few groups that refused any kind of legal status, too. Like most units were at least nominally reporting to interior ministry from the very first day of their creation (and were since generally either incorporated directly into National Guard, Armed Forces, or in a few cases disbanded because they were just using their uniforms as cover for crime), but Right Sector Volunteers Corps were literary some dudes (and some ladies) with hunting rifles that later picked up some actual military equipment on the spot. TheFallenEvincar posted:They're really not that alarmed at all by Putin encroaching into Eastern Europe like this? I thought NATO was increasing troop presence and exercises all over the region. Are they really just okay with Ukraine flailing like this? Their voters don't care, and only time Ukraine is likely to get mentioned in the news is when there are fisticuffs/Prime Minister getting ballet-lifted in the Parliament, not things like yet-another serviceman getting killed or wounded just about every day. (Though I think the state of Ukrainian army is severely underestimated by some of the folks herein).
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Baloogan posted:a goon said that the DDOS is from russia and is due to brown moses. world's first D&DOS. If you're referring to my post, that was empty speculation based on the timing.
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OddObserver posted:
Basicly this. People here dont feel like we 'owe' ukraine anything, we have our 'own problems'. Here in Holland ukraine mainly gets in the news about our referendum (we will have one comming summer if we want ukraine signing an tradeagreement with the EU) and the fact that some rich olicharchs ordered the theft of a few famous Dutch paintings from a Dutch museum. Since the ukraine government doesnt want to step up their game, the paintings are still for sale by some ukraine lawyer. Basicly for most people here poland is the easternmost civilized country, just barely. Behind that its only Mad Max in a snow setting. These times with right wing populism being as big is it is, doesnt bring out the best in people. These arent my opinions. Just what I feel is the opinion of the average Joe. Martin BadClixx fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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