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Brock Landers posted:2016 Passat with just shy of 1400 miles wouldn't start after work today. It has keyless go and it unlocked when I pulled the handle. The dash did NOT light up after I opened the door which was the first sign something was up. Pushed the starter button and nothing. Locked and unlocked, nothing. Tried holding the key to the special place by the steering wheel and pushing the button: nothing. Was about to call for a tow but remembered I still have a trial CarNET subscription. Pulled out my phone, told the app to refresh the cars status and voila! The dash lit up and I could start the car like nothing happened. Here's hoping this was a one time affair... Get that car to the dealership where you bought it and demand it be investigated.
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VelociBacon posted:Get that car to the dealership where you bought it and demand it be investigated. Right. I'm afraid they will just come back with the usual "could not reproduce". I do need to get it in for a wonky blind spot monitor and a squeaky blower motor, so I'll just have them look at everything and hopefully it won't be a waste of time.
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Feb 20, 2016 15:45
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Brock Landers posted:Right. I'm afraid they will just come back with the usual "could not reproduce". I do need to get it in for a wonky blind spot monitor and a squeaky blower motor, so I'll just have them look at everything and hopefully it won't be a waste of time. You need to look at it differently: you just spent a ton of money on a product that isn't supposed to have these issues. The onus is on the dealership to fix what you perceive correctly as being real problems.
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Feb 20, 2016 15:50
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It's also good to get I am writing that you came in with that problem. If it keeps happening, you have proof that it's a recurring issue, which would help with a lemon law case should you need it.
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Feb 20, 2016 16:34
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Mr. Apollo posted:I know but all the spec sheets say the A4 now comes with the 7 speed S Tronic transmission which is Audi's name for their DSG boxes. The B8 S4 had the 7 speed S Tronic. Audi is now putting the ZF 8 speed into all the higher power cars. Previously it was in the RS6, RS7 and all the "8 cars". If this is the same ZF 8 speed transmission that is in the Charger, it is lightyears ahead of the POS in the B8 S4. I haven't found a single DSG that I have liked yet and that one is near the top of DSGs I hate along with whatever pile of gently caress is in the Focus.
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Feb 20, 2016 16:42
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Brock Landers posted:Right. I'm afraid they will just come back with the usual "could not reproduce".
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Feb 20, 2016 19:00
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Auron posted:If this is the same ZF 8 speed transmission that is in the Charger, it is lightyears ahead of the POS in the B8 S4. I haven't found a single DSG that I have liked yet and that one is near the top of DSGs I hate along with whatever pile of gently caress is in the Focus.
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Feb 21, 2016 04:05
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Brock Landers posted:2016 Passat with just shy of 1400 miles wouldn't start after work today. It has keyless go and it unlocked when I pulled the handle. The dash did NOT light up after I opened the door which was the first sign something was up. Pushed the starter button and nothing. Locked and unlocked, nothing. Tried holding the key to the special place by the steering wheel and pushing the button: nothing. Was about to call for a tow but remembered I still have a trial CarNET subscription. Pulled out my phone, told the app to refresh the cars status and voila! The dash lit up and I could start the car like nothing happened. Here's hoping this was a one time affair... Get it on record with the dealership and demand a freebie CarNET subscription (nicely) unless they can definitively find a cause and repair it.
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Feb 21, 2016 23:01
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Im about to buy a CPO 2015 A4 in Suzuka grey from an out of state dealer. We have the details locked and we are about ready to sign papers. I go to Omaha Audi today where I live and very nicely tell them my story and that I would appreciate if I could drive a 2015 a4 real quick just to make sure I like the transmission and power (I currently drive a manual 135i). I was upfront and honest about my intentions. The sales manager comes over and says if I'm not buying a car from them I cannot test drive anything in the lot. That really ticked me off. They would become my Audi dealership for all service items and possible future sales. Also it is not my fault they are a small dealer with limited CPO inventory. That seemed like a very petty thing to do... I should have just lied and said I was interested in an S4 and ripped the poo poo out of it. Maybe I'll go back after he leaves...
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Feb 22, 2016 23:09
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I don't get how so many people get turned down for test drives. I always call them up first and straight up tell them I'm not interested in buying today, just trying to determine what car I want to buy, and I completely understand if they can't spare the time. Only once have been I been turned down and that was when I was trying to test drive a Jag XJR which was about $20K out of my price range.
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Feb 22, 2016 23:19
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gigButt posted:Im about to buy a CPO 2015 A4 in Suzuka grey from an out of state dealer. We have the details locked and we are about ready to sign papers. Did you mention that part to him, about service? You can't really blame him if you just roll in there asking to drive a car but you have no intention of giving him any business. Why not use a little discretion to avoid the issue in the first place?
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Feb 22, 2016 23:53
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Bovril Delight posted:Did you mention that part to him, about service? You can't really blame him if you just roll in there asking to drive a car but you have no intention of giving him any business. I did remark about the service piece. He shrugged and went back to work. I easily could have lied but decided to just be honest and tell him my intentions. I really didn't think it would be a big deal. In 45 minutes I'll drive back and lead them on about wanting to buy. It blows my mind that people are so short sighted. Opened my eyes to how I run my department and customer service initiatives. I'll be much more forgiving going forward if the cost of doing business is reasonable.
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Feb 23, 2016 00:15
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:I don't get how so many people get turned down for test drives. I always call them up first and straight up tell them I'm not interested in buying today, just trying to determine what car I want to buy, and I completely understand if they can't spare the time. Only once have been I been turned down and that was when I was trying to test drive a Jag XJR which was about $20K out of my price range. Yeah I've never been turned down before. Even when I went to drive a 1M it was a non event. I was basically posting to vent and see if this ever happens to others. Actually I'm rather mad still. The GM of the dealer might be getting a letter soon. Seems like a 30 year old professional with good income is a person you would want to craft a good relationship with. Could mean more sales down the road and service revenue now! Reviews on this dealer are not great. Sounds like they are very stingy with loaner cars too. If you don't by from them they give you a hard time about taking a loaner.
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Feb 23, 2016 00:20
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gigButt posted:I did remark about the service piece. He shrugged and went back to work. If he were half a salesman, he'd have willingly given you the test drive and tried to steal the sale off the other guys.
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Feb 23, 2016 01:11
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I was ignored when I went into the VW dealership with the intention of buying - showed up in a very clean MSport 335. Weirdest poo poo ever. Went to one 15 miles away and closed a deal that night. I guess I do look a little young, but good god.
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Feb 23, 2016 03:38
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Every time I went in asking about the R they gave me the same spiel. "We don't know poo poo, but we'll take a deposit". The one dealer wanted 5k over msrp and the dealer I bought from didn't. No one was giving R test drives because basically ever R that came in was already promised to someone. I've actually bought my current and previous 2 cars without a test drive 
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Feb 23, 2016 17:46
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I was allowed a test-drive for an R (last gen) no problem, and was denied a test drive for the Fiat Abarth. I ended up going back to the dealership and buying an R from the guy that let me test-drive it partially because they were so accommodating initially. I have no idea, I'm a typical clean-cut thin white dude so I usually don't have any issues at all here in Florida but that Abarth dealer thought he was hot poo poo I guess.
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Feb 23, 2016 19:13
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Hey VW/Audi thread, I'm currently driving an 04 BMW 330ci, but am looking at possibly a new Golf R or mayyyybe a used B8 S4. I'm primarily looking for a fun, manual, AWD car that can be a good DD & road trip/light outdoorsy stuff car. I went and drove the new WRX but didn't fall in love with it -- Maybe I've just been spoiled but I think I'd like something a bit more refined. I've been trying to dig around and find the dirt on these two models with regards to reliability and in general it seems that things have improved quite a bit for more recent VAG cars. I'm well acquainted with how overblown "lol European car" internet chat can be since my BMW has for the most part been super awesome, but Audi in particular doesn't have the best rep even among European cars. I'd be a little less worried with a new R since I'd be the original owner and it'd have a warranty and everything... but considering I could get a nice used 2012-2013ish S4 for about the same price... I guess what I'm really asking is how much would I (my wallet) regret buying something like a 2012 S4? About the only major recurring problem that seemed to pop up for S4s was obscenely excessive oil consumption... which is a bit worrisome since that could lead to something pretty serious, whereas dumb poo poo like window regulators are obnoxious but not going to end in tears. Guinness fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Feb 24, 2016 03:28
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Guinness posted:Hey VW/Audi thread, I've been researching the same thing lately and the only major issues I've found much talk about are the DSG mechatronics unit failure which apparently is a $4000-$7000 fix depending on who you have do the work and a rear diff leak problem which I haven't found a lot of information on cost for, but which sounds like it's only a few hundred dollars if you catch it early. In other words don't get a DSG and you should be fine. The manuals are unfortunately rather uncommon, but they're around. Also you definitely want the sports differential as it is a proper torque-vectoring unit and apparently completely transforms the handling.
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Feb 24, 2016 03:50
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veedubfreak posted:Every time I went in asking about the R they gave me the same spiel. "We don't know poo poo, but we'll take a deposit". The one dealer wanted 5k over msrp and the dealer I bought from didn't. Have you tried to test drive an S3? That dealership probably is dog balls given the 5k over MSRP bit but my local dealer who doesn't seem bad at all has the same policy regarding Rs right now. Every one they get in is spoken for already, the only estimate they give on an order is 6 months, they won't negotiate on price at all but, they also only charge straight MSRP on special orders. They had no problem throwing me in a nearly identical S3 which they had plenty of though even after I was very firm about not being interested in the Audi at all. I'm seriously considering putting an order down this week despite never having actually driven the car.
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Getting my car serviced this morning the dealership had a black Golf R that apparently hadn't been spoken for, but who knows, maybe they moved it by the afternoon.  Was a DSG rather than a manual, though.
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Feb 24, 2016 07:47
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I didn't look at the S3 simply because I pretty much -have- to have a hatch. I only have room for 1 car, so it has to do everything. Also, the S3 is only available in DSG. Paid MSRP for it, because if I hadn't whoever was on the list after me would have. To the dude asking about the used S4 vs new R, the R is going to have a warranty and also be on the new MBQ platform which is amazing. It's also going to cost VW maintenace vs Audi maintenance costs. Plus hatch vs sedan and dsg vs manual. For daily driving, I'm loving my R. I keep everything set to "normal" with the engine in "sport" mode because it opens the exhaust flaps and is a little more responsive than using normal. Flip everything to "race" mode and the suspension is hella firm as is the steering. I set race mode on the commute home last week and couldn't deal with it for more than a few miles because it's just way too stiff for street use. Awesome in the corners though. veedubfreak fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Feb 24, 2016 19:36
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Is the 2016 different from the 2015 GolfR? Is it the addition of a manual gear box that ha them selling like crazy?
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I guess I didn't realize that the R is in such high demand. I'll have to contact a couple VW dealers around here to feel out what the wait time is like. I did figure they were selling at basically MSRP just based on TrueCar and Edmunds. I wonder if that means it'll be impossible to get a test drive.  If I were to pick up an R, is the DCC stuff really worth it? It sounds pretty clever, but my instinct with all those fancy magnetic/electronic/whatever suspension setups has always been "works great when new, costs a shitload when it inevitably breaks". I don't give a one poo poo about Navigation (especially with CarPlay in there) so it's really down to whether the DCC is worth the $2300 more up front and potential headaches in the long run.
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Feb 24, 2016 19:59
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I would absolutely go for a B8/B8.5 S4 over a brand new Golf R. Get a certified preowned if you want a warranty. The manual transmission S4's are pretty damned solid. DSG is nearing must have warranty territory though. In general I'm a big proponent of buying lightly used over new so you don't take that massive depreciation hit. I haven't driven the MK7 R, but I have driven the MK6 and the B8 S4. The S4 was in another league performance wise. Even stock it pulls like a jet fighter. Also quattro > haldex any day all day. Disclaimer: I drive a used B7 S4 I got for less than the cheapest new civic you can get. Even has a warranty! 
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 1. These prices are insane, right? This isn't even a dealer! Labor is loving insane. 2. Considering that my car (B7 A4 2.0T) is my daily driver, which of those can I reasonably do over a weekend considering I don't have any other transport? 3. I didn't even realize the brake vacuum pump was a thing (but I'm not surprised) -- what the gently caress? I've found DIYs for most of these. The coolant flange is really my first thing on the list, since it's tripped the low coolant alert a few times. I guess it's somewhat expected for all this stuff on a 102K mile car, but sigh. I wonder if I should just do a bunch of suspension stuff incl. struts while the control arms are in question.
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Feb 24, 2016 21:59
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movax posted:
Beyond insane. Timing Belt is a weekend job if you're comfortable with that stuff. Actually, if you're comfortable, it's a 1-day job. Few hundred in parts, replacing everything in the area. Instead of replacing the cat, you can get a complete APR turbo-back exhaust for $1200. Complete suspension kit at ECS Tuning is under $500... what you're being quoted is simply unconscionable. meatpimp fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Feb 24, 2016 22:25
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meatpimp posted:Beyond insane. That's what I thought -- for the price of all that stuff, I could buy a motorcyle / Cragislist Civic/Miata and still have enough left over to do all the repairs / parts.
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Feb 24, 2016 22:58
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Pretty sure APR products are a bad option, now that they have been bought out by a chinese company that decided to cut product quality and keep charging the same prices.
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Guinness posted:I guess I didn't realize that the R is in such high demand. I'll have to contact a couple VW dealers around here to feel out what the wait time is like. I did figure they were selling at basically MSRP just based on TrueCar and Edmunds. I wonder if that means it'll be impossible to get a test drive. At least test drive an S3 if you can't find an R to test drive, no it won't be the same if you're looking at a manual since the S3 is DSG only but otherwise it's the same drat car AND, you can try out the DCC(called something else for the S3) on the S3 to get a feel for whether or not it's worth it. If you do order it be prepared to wait till fall, 2016 orders are closed. Also for the person who asked aside from the manual I believe 2016 came with an improved Infotainment system and added the driver assistance package(dynamic cruise control and such), though the latter is very rare from my understanding.
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movax posted:1. These prices are insane, right? This isn't even a dealer! Labor is loving insane. Yup. It looks like they just added up the maximum parts cost and book time for all the work independently rather than figuring out stuff that can be done at the same time, then added on some extra gently caress you money. Wouldn't be surprised if getting a dealership to do the work cost about as much. Give it a go yourself if you have the time and space, or hunt down a decent independent garage- my A4 is having the gaskets on the rocker cover sorted, and it's going to come to parts cost and half an hours labour, rather than parts cost + markup + full book time of around 2 hours.
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BraveUlysses posted:Pretty sure APR products are a bad option, now that they have been bought out by a chinese company that decided to cut product quality and keep charging the same prices. I haven't looked at VW stuff in a while and I was wondering what was going on when I went to APR's web site. A lot of things they should have (turbo-back exhausts, in particular) weren't listed... That makes sense now.
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You might want to get a quote from a dedicated suspension shop and a dedicated exhaust shop for the control arms and exhaust. They normally can quote lower prices because they can practically do the jobs in their sleep. You could do the control arms at home with a buddy helping but once you get to the step of reseating the ball joint into the knuckle they might not be your buddy anymore. I'm curious though - how do you know you need a new cat? Is the engine throwing an emissions code or acting like there is too much backpressure?
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I get an email today at work out of the blue. Some sales manager (call him "Bill") at my VW dealership saying that a friend of his is looking for a TDI Jetta and if I'm interested in selling to give a call. I"m always open to an offer so I phone on lunch. He's not in, but the phone lady says that he sent a few of those out. I say I"m a little skeptical because it's a TDI and she assures me that they've become really popular re-sale because they can't sell them except used these days, it shouldn't be an issue with value, etc. It's time sensitive and it would be best if I came in as soon as possible. After work I head on down and ask for Bill like I was told to. He's not there, but Bob will be happy to take care of me. He's up front that I"m going to lose $3-6k off the value because of the TDI thing and has no idea why I was told otherwise. He takes the info, runs the VIN, and has a manager give me some numbers. While the manager is doing his thing I get to hear Bob tell me about how the diesel thing is no big deal because environmental warming is a scam. I point out the emissions thing is about NOx and he goes off about how smog is really caused by dry climates and construction in big cities. This coming from a dude dressed in tie-dye with a bead curtain over his corner office while Hey Jude was piped over the office was great. Finally the manager comes out and he gives me numbers for my 2014 TDI Jetta with 23k miles on it: $8,500 Can't go higher because of the diesel stop sale which means they can't sell it as a CPO. Godfuckingdamnit VW. I have only myself to blame for believing your phone lady who said it wouldn't be an issue. I wasn't even looking to sell, but christ I shouldn't have even wasted the time driving out to get the offer.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I get an email today at work out of the blue. Some sales manager (call him "Bill") at my VW dealership saying that a friend of his is looking for a TDI Jetta and if I'm interested in selling to give a call. I"m always open to an offer so I phone on lunch. He's not in, but the phone lady says that he sent a few of those out. I say I"m a little skeptical because it's a TDI and she assures me that they've become really popular re-sale because they can't sell them except used these days, it shouldn't be an issue with value, etc. It's time sensitive and it would be best if I came in as soon as possible. From what I gather this is a fairly common scam that car dealerships run. It's usually "we want to buy your car because the market for Dodge Calibers or whatever has suddenly gone to the moon!" but any other reason will do. Then once you get there they try to get you to trade your car in for 1/3 of what its worth for a new Tahoe. That's what I read on the forums anyway, I've never had a car worth enough for any dealer to try it on me so who knows.
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Throatwarbler posted:From what I gather this is a fairly common scam that car dealerships run. It's usually "we want to buy your car because the market for Dodge Calibers or whatever has suddenly gone to the moon!" but any other reason will do. I had a dealer do that to me for a seven year old base Chevy Cavalier. "Lots of people are asking for this exact model you own!!!" Right. Too bad I had sold the car off years before or I would have been tempted to see what they were offering.
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Yeah, that is a classic dealer scam. Rule of thumb is that you'll never come out ahead on a dealer trade in. But, what you lose in payment is made up for by a quick and easy sale. Same trade off as a pawn shop. It's up to you whether money or time/ease/convenience is more important to you.
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Judge: Volkswagen Has Until March To Plan A Fix For 600,000 Cars Affected By Dieselgate
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Uh oh. My car was towed and I was able to pick it up, but they didn't use a flat bed. They weren't able to tell me if they towed it from the front or the back. They think the front. I have a 2008 GTI. I assume that I would be able to tell almost instantly if they towed it incorrectly?
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