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I'm reading Part 5, and the translation I'm looking at references a big plot hole in the chapters right around the time Buccellati first shows up. However, I, uh, I have no idea so far what that plot hole is. Anyone care to fill me in?
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Feb 26, 2016 19:23
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Johnny Joestar posted:i'm glad they didn't drag the fight on like some dbz poo poo. who would want that agreed. the entire point of the fight is jotaro scrambling to outwit dio. jotaro hits dio, what, four times or so before super saiyan dio. (punch rushes count as one time) everything else in the fight is about jotaro outwitting dio, the most careful vampire in egypt, so he can land those punches 1. when they're punchrushing each other, jotaro scratches dio's face 2. post-magnet trick. 3. heart-stopping action 4. man-hole cover did i forget one?
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Feb 26, 2016 20:24
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Both the anime and the OVA have really good Dio vs Jotaro fights and I'd watch either again right now.
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Feb 26, 2016 20:48
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uua_GIQsbqg
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Feb 26, 2016 20:54
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Von Humboldt posted:I'm reading Part 5, and the translation I'm looking at references a big plot hole in the chapters right around the time Buccellati first shows up. However, I, uh, I have no idea so far what that plot hole is. Anyone care to fill me in? The most obvious one that comes to mind is Gold Experience seemingly losing the retaliation ability without explanation (with good reason, though; Gold Experience is powerful enough as it is).
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Feb 26, 2016 21:02
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Von Humboldt posted:I'm reading Part 5, and the translation I'm looking at references a big plot hole in the chapters right around the time Buccellati first shows up. However, I, uh, I have no idea so far what that plot hole is. Anyone care to fill me in? If this is your first time reading the series, it's tied to a big end-of-arc thing and is a fairly big spoiler. If it's not your first time, it's probably referring to how Gold Experience gets pierced with the arrow during the Black Sabbath fight yet doesn't become a Requiem stand.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:06
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I think that the arrow that Polnareff had was a special arrow that was (one of?) the only one capable of making Requiem stands making it a weird niche case, rather than "any arrow can do this?" I think that what should have happened there is Gold Experience should've gained a new skill from Black Sabbath because that's what happened to Kira with a normal arrow at the end of Diamond is Unbreakable. E; But even then, I'd be willing to give that a pass because even without any new tricks, Gold Experience is ridiculously powerful and didn't need any upgrades at that point to begin with.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:31
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Dragonatrix posted:I think that the arrow that Polnareff had was a special arrow that was (one of?) the only one capable of making Requiem stands making it a weird niche case, rather than "any arrow can do this?" I think that what should have happened there is Gold Experience should've gained a new skill from Black Sabbath because that's what happened to Kira with a normal arrow at the end of Diamond is Unbreakable. That's not what happened in part 4 In part 4 Kira got hit by the arrow a second time, not his stand Really the biggest issue with gold experience is that a lot of its powers do make some degree of sense, but it has a couple powers that are never used again and don't fit with its overall theme of "giving life." Even the requiem's ability to gently caress with diavolo and keep him alive for eternity but in a constant state of suffering is pretty much an evolved version of the slowmo punches he used on Bruno RIP luca and his shovel. Only guy who managed to get into bruno's gang without letting the lighter go out
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Feb 26, 2016 21:38
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Regarding the Vento Aureo spoiler/plot hole, the answer is never explicitly stated, and there are multiple interpretations, so feel free to pick your favorite: -Giorno isn't ready to awaken Gold Experience Requiem yet At this point, Giorno only barely knows how to use his stand. Just as the stand arrow only awakens stands in those who are worthy, it only awakens requiems in stands that are worthy of it. It is only after the events of Part 5 that Giorno achieves enough mastery of the stand to the point that he can use a Requiem. -Black Sabbath doesn't have a true arrow You can see the arrow in its mouth is a bit less intricate than the one Polnareff carries. Perhaps Black Sabbath from the lighter only carries a copy of the arrow in Polpo's possession, or perhaps Polpo's arrow itself is a fake that doesn't have the ability to create requiem stands. -Polpo's arrow is already a part of Black Sabbath Once the arrow is removed from a stand, it returns to its non-requiem self. Since the arrow is already a part of Black Sabbath, Gold Experience can't absorb it to become GE Requiem. -Araki forgot Dragonatrix posted:I think that the arrow that Polnareff had was a special arrow that was (one of?) the only one capable of making Requiem stands making it a weird niche case, rather than "any arrow can do this?" I think that what should have happened there is Gold Experience should've gained a new skill from Black Sabbath because that's what happened to Kira with a normal arrow at the end of Diamond is Unbreakable. If anything, the story seems to imply that any stand arrow can create requiems. Maybe Buccellati isn't an authoritative expert on the arrow, but he goes "Someone would have discovered the secret of the arrow[s] sooner or later" and Polnareff never corrects him on that.
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Feb 27, 2016 01:33
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Daxing Dan posted:-Araki forgot Funny enough this is the explanation I'm coolest with, no harm no foul
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Feb 27, 2016 01:47
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Daxing Dan posted:Regarding the Vento Aureo spoiler/plot hole, the answer is never explicitly stated, and there are multiple interpretations, so feel free to pick your favorite: I had figured it was simpler then that; both Requiems we see are holding the arrow. When Kira's Stand is pierced, he gains new powers, which in Giorno's case may have resulted in his eventual change in powers or loss of his Reflection Ability. However, both Gold Experience Requiem and Silver Chariot Requiem are holding or a part of the arrow. The reason Gold Experience Requiem didn't emerge when stabbed is because he was just stabbed with it, instead of 'merging' with it. We never see Gold Experience after the Arrow falls out of his head, so it's entirely possible he actually transformed back.
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Feb 27, 2016 01:50
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Stallion Cabana posted:I had figured it was simpler then that; Killer Queen is never hit with the arrow, only Kira is. Requiem stands are stated to have "dominion over souls" too, which doesn't exactly line up with Bite the Dust's power either. Daxing Dan fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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Feb 27, 2016 02:00
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Daxing Dan posted:Killer Queen is never hit with the arrow, only Kira is. Requiem stands are stated to have "dominion over souls" too, which doesn't exactly line up with Bite the Dust's power either. yeah, i'm pretty sure the distinction is that stabbing yourself again will only give your stand a new ability or something since you already have a stand and it can't exactly give you a new one. stabbing the STAND, though, does weird poo poo because it's like giving a stand a stand. but, honestly, good riddance to dumb plot poo poo that i'm glad was discarded in the move to steel ball run.
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Feb 27, 2016 02:13
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So, I re-read the final battle of Part IV on a whim today and I noticed something I hadn't the first time before. Nice watch. Too bad you won't be able to tell time after I break it. Break your face, that is. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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Feb 27, 2016 05:36
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New chapter is up! Holy poo poo, Damo is hardcore. The fact that he looks ridiculous just makes him that much scarier. Also, that cliffhanger! At least because the chapter was a little late this month, the wait won't be as long. Amaryllis fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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Feb 27, 2016 21:21
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10/10 chapter
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Feb 27, 2016 21:30
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Josuke Higashikata posted:10/10 chapter Yeah, JJL was good from the start but this latest arc has been amazing. I have so many questions: What's Karera's deal? Is Damo going to be the "final boss" of Part 8, or is there someone above him, yet? Will Norisuke betray Gappy in order to protect his family, or will he surprise everyone? Also, the present-day gang's totally going to find a way to help Holly, right? Right...?
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Feb 27, 2016 21:40
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I will never get over Araki's ability to take powers that sound super lame on paper ("My power lets me make things softer") and turn them into terrifying instruments in the hands of dangerous people ("So soft I can cut you up with a crisp yen note"). I mean, Vitamin C was already pretty terrifying, but even so. Phenomenal chapter. It's all starting to come together. I just wonder who else is involved that we haven't already seen.
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Feb 27, 2016 21:40
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Josuke Higashikata posted:10/10 chapter God Damo is such a good villain. Also I really like that we're seeing more of the Rock Folk who are currently dead.
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Feb 27, 2016 21:42
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damo definitely has more of a 'main antagonist' vibe going on now, that's for sure
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Feb 27, 2016 21:44
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That one is pretty cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZqFb6DP_aE
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Feb 27, 2016 21:44
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That new chapter is loving dope JoJolion is really good
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Feb 27, 2016 21:45
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 Let's hope Hato's stand can reattach limbs. Either that, or Nut King Call might actually be useful after this fight.
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Feb 27, 2016 21:45
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Fiend Computer posted:God Damo is such a good villain. For awhile now I've felt like Part 8 was a step down from Part 7 in terms of humanizing its villains of the week, but this flashback arc is doing a pretty good job of fixing that. Still not back to where we were, but it's more obvious Araki has a plan he's sticking to - which I'd say would go without saying if it were anybody else other than Hirohiko "I forgot" Araki.
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Feb 27, 2016 21:46
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MelvinBison posted:
If they can pull Joshuu out of the sewer.
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Feb 27, 2016 21:47
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araki is doing a really good job of making this goofy-rear end alt universe elvis impersonator come off as being terrifying as hell, so he definitely deserves credit for that.
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Feb 27, 2016 21:51
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Fiend Computer posted:If they can pull Joshuu out of the sewer. He's home now.
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Feb 27, 2016 21:52
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One thing I think JoJolion does very well is make a situation incredibly tense. Right now in the present day, I think it's a fair assumption Gappy will figure something out, but it doesn't seem like there's just some simple trick that, once discovered, will allow him to beat up Damo and then we move forward from there. This part, more than any other, keeps me guessing and constantly asking questions, and it's really really awesome.
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Feb 27, 2016 21:55
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WRYYYYYYYEAH!
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Feb 27, 2016 21:57
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The way Araki is mixing the flashbacks into the narrative is great. You think that Damo's only got the upperhand on the Higashikata household because he took them out one by one, but then you see Josifumi and Kira can't lay a finger on him even inside a cramped room.
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Feb 27, 2016 21:58
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Broseph Brostar posted:The way Araki is mixing the flashbacks into the narrative is great. You think that Damo's only got the upperhand on the Higashikata household because he took them out one by one, but then you see Josifumi and Kira can't lay a finger on him even inside a cramped room.
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Feb 27, 2016 22:05
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JoJolion has been such a ride so far, and gently caress is it just getting better, I'm super surprised how interested I am in the Josefumi and Kira sequences, probably because we already have some how idea at that'll work out in the end. Damo is a really impressive villain. I hate his presence, but yeah I don't see him totally leaving the picture after this fight, but I don't think he's quite the Main Antagonist. I was always worried at how JoJolion would tie up it's threads when I started it, but as we get further into it, I feel more and more confident that Araki has totally got this. Also here's my favorite panel of this chapter 
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Feb 27, 2016 22:24
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The moment I saw the fingerprints on the flashback boat I felt 40% more sure that Damo's a prime player, maybe even Main Antagonist. I'd also accept Hato ending the situation with a Stand, though
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Feb 27, 2016 22:32
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The longer this arc goes on the less I wanna see Hato manifest/reveal her stand, though it's possible Araki could still make it work I guess. The more Damo's level of menace increases, the more I want to see our heroes beat him using the tools they've already got - as opposed to Hato developing a stand which conveniently allows them to simply circumvent Damo's position of power.
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Feb 27, 2016 22:39
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Bad Seafood posted:The longer this arc goes on the less I wanna see Hato manifest/reveal her stand, though it's possible Araki could still make it work I guess. Alternatively, Josuke and co. have to beat Damo on their own because Hato just forgets her stand would be useful here.
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Feb 27, 2016 22:44
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If Damo's not the final boss, he's at least final boss-adjacent.
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Feb 27, 2016 22:46
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MelvinBison posted:Alternatively, Josuke and co. have to beat Damo on their own because Hato just forgets her stand would be useful here. Waffleman_ posted:If Damo's not the final boss, he's at least final boss-adjacent. There'll be somebody behind Damo, but Damo's pretty obviously the trashman around here.
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Feb 27, 2016 22:48
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Damo isn't hot enough to be a final Jojo villain. EDIT: Unless he pulls a Valentine.
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I'm assuming the actual main villain will be a new Kars equivalent. The only really antagonistic characters left at this point are Damo and Joubin; Joubin clearly isn't powerful enough to be a main villain, and even if Damo survives the current fight, he won't be much of a threat by himself if the entire Higashikata family (plus Yasuho and Karera, probably) knows his ability. There's theoretically room for either of them to get a powerup, of course (every main villain except Diavolo gets one at some point), but there isn't really an obvious mechanism for either of them to get one.
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