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EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

jm20 posted:

You don't know the struggle of paying taxes on a six figure income :qq:

What's even worse is all the whining coming from people who would have benefitted from this if it were areound when they were in school because poor kids get free tuition now when they didn't and that's not fair:bahgawd:.

I might have qualified for some help under this program and my wife would definitely have and paying off our student loans sucked rear end. Ya it would have been nice if we'd gotten some help but just because we didn't doesn't mean this isn't a good thing.

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namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/brad-wall-won-t-be-signing-carbon-tax-agreement-1.3467451

quote:


The Federal government says some form of carbon pricing is coming, but Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall says he won't be signing for it.

On Saturday, Wall posted to his Facebook page saying it's not the time for a new national tax, including carbon.

"In case you're wondering, I won't be signing any agreement that includes a national carbon tax," he wrote.

His comment stems from a federal government announcement about forming working groups to discuss carbon pricing and other environmental measures over the next six months.

Catherine McKenna, federal environment minister, said Friday that one of the measures at the end of the discussion process will be a price on carbon.

Wall said in the Facebook post that the decision was made before the provinces and prime minister had a chance to meet to discuss the topic.

He's been vocally opposing a national carbon tax. On Feb. 19, he said any scheme that involves imposing a carbon levy or tax would be ill-timed due to the current state of the industry.

The premier was unavailable for comment Saturday.

ok brad you do that

once you white trash wheat king motherfuckers feel the full force of low oil you remember what you posted on facebook when no one wants to give your poo poo assed province any money

also can we withold Alberta ~aid~ money until sarah hoffman loses 100 lbs?

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

THC posted:

I really doubt that there exist a significant number of people who are against tar sands pipelines, but are somehow okay with LNG fracking and transport.

Yeah I don't know. I've feel like there has been some space between support for Northern Gateway and support for LNG in surveys that I've read. I can't for the life of me find anything at the moment other than this survey from 2013 that cites national support numbers. Something more recent that's just BC would be a lot more relevant.

At this point now that the honeymoon for LNG is clearly over I wouldn't be surprised if support for LNG has dramatically dropped.

quote:

British Columbians voiced growing opposition to constructing oil pipelines, with 60 per cent of respondents in March balking at new lines, compared with 44 per cent a year earlier. B.C. residents also showed strong disagreement with proposals that would allow more oil tankers – 65 per cent opposed in the latest survey, up from 56 per cent in the 2012 poll.

...

New pipelines would clear the way for exporting oil in tankers to Asia. Asked whether they back plans for tankers to enter waters off the West Coast, 37 per cent of the respondents nationally said they approve, down from 45 per cent a year earlier.

...

This year’s poll added two new energy questions. Asked about plans for new natural gas pipeline capacity to the West Coast, 54 per cent of the respondents nationally said they approved. But asked about allowing tankers to carry liquefied natural gas to Asian markets, only 42 per cent of the respondents across Canada said they supported such a move. The B.C. government has touted LNG exports as the key to the province’s long-term economic growth.

Forty-five per cent of B.C. respondents said they favoured LNG tankers, compared with 54 per cent support in Alberta.

So for nationally that's 37% support for oil tankers vs 42% support for LNG tankers. It would be more interesting to know the firm opposition numbers, and again the BC only numbers.

What is also very relevant is that Trudeau as a candidate stated 100% opposition to oil tanker traffic, but openness to LNG.

http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Justin+Trudeau+open+ships+northern+coast/11177000/story.html

quote:


Federal Liberal leader Justin Trudeau said Monday his mind is closed to oil tankers plying the waters of northern B.C. but open to shipping of liquefied natural gas as well as increased oil tanker traffic through Port Metro Vancouver — on the condition proper reviews are conducted.

...

While oil shipping holds the prospect of massive environmental damage, LNG is seen as a safer alternative, including by First Nations people.

Trudeau said he recently visited Hartley Bay at the mouth of Douglas Channel, where native leaders opposed to Northern Gateway told him they understand the need for economic development and have fewer concerns with LNG.

...

Femtosecond fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Feb 27, 2016

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


Trees and Squids posted:

I guess this would be partially offset in a lot of cases as engineering programs often have strong co-op opportunities.

Seeing the graduate school tuition numbers triggered me. I would guess most grad students are probably making around $25,000 a year with TA positions + base stipend. Almost $9,000 of that pitiful sum is eaten up by tuition. It's absurd.

It varies from school to school.

Like my stipend is 15K plus tuition (so something like 23K total), doled out in a wackily inconsistent manner. A portion of it is monthly, another portion comes in a series of lump sums at random times through the year. If they remember to pay you at all. The first thing my prof told me to do when I started was go to the Finance department, get them to write down the exact payment schedule on paper, and check my bank statement every single month to make sure it was all there. Because sometimes the University "forgets" or accidentally pays the wrong amount.

Scholarships (if you can get them. Most grad ones are hella competitive) are separate from that and you don't always get the full amount since the department will adjust downwards the amount they pay. For example, I'll probably apply to the Ontario Graduate Scholarship this year. If I get it, it's advertised as $5000 per term! Except it isn't because the university then adjusts their funding downwards enough that it's actually only worth ~$3000 total :shepface:

I'm lucky in my department that TAing is considered on top of my normal funding. So I actually get to keep the money. In some departments it's an obligation. i.e. that minimum funding includes a mandatory number of hours (up to 200 sometimes i.e. like $8,500 worth of TA time for free) and if you don't TA you get even more yanked back. Also sometimes people just can't get TA positions since there's a limited number.

Long story short I can't see this really affecting grad students since the Universities will just yank back a portion of their funding obligation if the government is going to cover a bunch of it, making it net neutral for the student.

Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Feb 27, 2016

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.

Cultural Imperial posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/brad-wall-won-t-be-signing-carbon-tax-agreement-1.3467451


ok brad you do that

once you white trash wheat king motherfuckers feel the full force of low oil you remember what you posted on facebook when no one wants to give your poo poo assed province any money

also can we withold Alberta ~aid~ money until sarah hoffman loses 100 lbs?

Is it actually possible for the provinces to block what's more or less a federal tax plan? I genuinely don't know.

mik
Oct 16, 2003
oh
Let's take stock of how the provinces rate these days

BC .... terrible
AB .... terrible
SK .... terrible
MB .... ?
ON .... terrible
QC .... terrible
NB .... terrible
NS .... terrible
PEI .... ?
NL .... ?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Hey, Alberta should be promoted from "terrible" to "marginal" since we have a government that isn't utter poo poo now. Compared to Crusty Clark and Brad Wall, Notley is a good premier and our government doesn't suck much.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

She's probably the least bad premier rn and I'm not just saying that because she's a dipper. I'm jelly.

cheese sandwich
Feb 9, 2009

MB is bad and will be terrible in about two months time

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Lol at Calgary sometimes though

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich
Live from the Manning conference, it's lunchtime roundtable topics!



E: Someone should tell them the cats out of the bag re: Feminsm.

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

THC posted:

Lol at Calgary sometimes though



drat, now I'm blinded by the white.

"sexuality portfolio"? :wtc: Something special for an ex-RCMP officer?

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Notley is literally weighed down by Sarah Hoffman tho

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

PT6A posted:

Hey, Alberta should be promoted from "terrible" to "marginal" since we have a government that isn't utter poo poo now. Compared to Crusty Clark and Brad Wall, Notley is a good premier and our government doesn't suck much.

More than marginal, it looks pretty good in my opinion. The new provincial government is certainly an improvement over the PCs, but in addition the governments of both Edmonton and Calgary seem to be very good. I know there's been some implementation issues with Edmonton's LRT expansion, but overall I've been reading good things about policies that city is implementing. Of course Nenshi has been fantastic for Calgary.

EDIT: I'm just talking about governance here. Obviously the current economic situation on the ground in Alberta is pretty lovely and it will probably be pretty lousy for the near future.

Femtosecond fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Feb 28, 2016

Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

mik posted:

Let's take stock of how the provinces rate these days

BC .... terrible


:colbert:

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
At least Campbell have us the HST. Furlong is a full fledged pedo

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Femtosecond posted:

More than marginal, it looks pretty good in my opinion. The new provincial government is certainly an improvement over the PCs, but in addition the governments of both Edmonton and Calgary seem to be very good.

What are you, high? The government of Calgary is pissing away money like it's water, can barely deliver transit service I'd consider passable in a third-world city, decided to follow paranoid advice they found in a movie with regards to health policy, and still can't get a handle on the suburbs that are spreading out and blighting our land like a giant pile of dogshit after a heavy rain. Our mayor also has a penchant for telling lies and generally being a petulant little gently caress that would make Donald Trump himself blush. gently caress this city, the people in it, and especially the government.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Cultural Imperial posted:

At least Campbell have us the HST. Furlong is a full fledged pedo

How dare you threaten this fine upstanding gentlemans reputation! :bahgawd:

cheese sandwich
Feb 9, 2009

apparently mr wonderful wants to try to be liberal leader now too source

is he running out of ways to be relevant already

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
He's a self-starter with a can-do attitude. I would vote for him as PM most likely. Make Canada great again, bitches!

Mostly, I enjoy how he offends the sensibilities of hippies and socialists, but without the racism and whatnot that makes Trump so utterly unpleasant.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
I really hope the invisible hand of the free market wrings the life from you one day.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




EvilJoven posted:

I really hope the invisible hand of the free market wrings the life from you one day.

He would step on his mothers neck for a promotion and shut down a children's hospital because it might draw an unsightly crowd. Sadly those are the people that always evade the hand, especially in Canada. Just look at Kevin O'Leary and Conrad Black.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

EvilJoven posted:

I really hope the invisible hand of the free market wrings the life from you one day.

Lol at you accusing other people of being cruel and vicious. Do gently caress off.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
I love O'Leary for leadership. Conservatives are done in this country, may as well make it entertaining and it'd be gold to watch him debate Trudeau. No religious or social conservative baggage either.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
you morons elected a loving drama teacher with a rich daddy as pm

why not a tv celebrity rear end in a top hat

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

PT6A posted:

What are you, high? The government of Calgary is pissing away money like it's water, can barely deliver transit service I'd consider passable in a third-world city, decided to follow paranoid advice they found in a movie with regards to health policy, and still can't get a handle on the suburbs that are spreading out and blighting our land like a giant pile of dogshit after a heavy rain. Our mayor also has a penchant for telling lies and generally being a petulant little gently caress that would make Donald Trump himself blush. gently caress this city, the people in it, and especially the government.

Last article I read about the fluoride thing made it sound like it was a last administration thing? Nenshi was totally opposed to it and said he was in favour of reopening the issue. Calgary has made a ton of really terrible decisions in the past (crazy sprawl is one of those) but from the outsider looking in it seems like they have the right guy in charge at the moment.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
I had no idea there was an anti flouride movement on the same scale of stupidity as anti vaxxers

https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/apr/04/politicians-anti-fluoridation-campaigners-fluoride-water

loving lol

nenshi is a dumb fat gently caress

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

It was a council decision, 10-3, of which Nenshi had just one vote (which he actually didn't cast, as he was traveling, but it wouldn't have made a difference).

The councillors voting against it drank the crazy koolaid, and half the other councillors seem to be just dumb as hell in general (Druh Farrell, Shane Keating, I'm looking in your direction). A combination of crazy, and not wanting to spend $6M on water plant maintenance.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Femtosecond posted:

Last article I read about the fluoride thing made it sound like it was a last administration thing? Nenshi was totally opposed to it and said he was in favour of reopening the issue. Calgary has made a ton of really terrible decisions in the past (crazy sprawl is one of those) but from the outsider looking in it seems like they have the right guy in charge at the moment.

The sprawl has been getting far worse throughout Nenshi's mayorship, and he was mayor when noted stupid oval office Druh Farrell, who's always been an ally of his, forced through the fluoride removal. He's a complete loving idiot, and ultimately a bad politician, who's inexplicably popular despite being as useless as tits on a bull.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

PT6A posted:

The sprawl has been getting far worse throughout Nenshi's mayorship, and he was mayor when noted stupid oval office Druh Farrell, who's always been an ally of his, forced through the fluoride removal. He's a complete loving idiot, and ultimately a bad politician, who's inexplicably popular despite being as useless as tits on a bull.

poo poo like this makes you look like a 10th grader that is parroting his parents views. Literally all you are doing is name calling.


Femtosecond posted:

Last article I read about the fluoride thing made it sound like it was a last administration thing? Nenshi was totally opposed to it and said he was in favour of reopening the issue. Calgary has made a ton of really terrible decisions in the past (crazy sprawl is one of those) but from the outsider looking in it seems like they have the right guy in charge at the moment.

There was a plebiscite in 1989 that narrowly won (53%) to put fluoride in the water supply.

In 2011 majority of the same council (lots of incumbents won) had a vote to remove fluoride 10 to 3 with Nenshi and another council member absent. They also rejected putting it to a plebiscite in the 2013 election. However this was done without public input, public hearings.

PT6A and other assholes love to harp on Druh Farrell one of the "hippy" councilors as the impetus of this however the main issue was the city was looking at 6 million in upgrades to continue fluoridation at its 2 water plants and didnt want to pony up the cash.

Taking it in that context I have less of a problem with the "science" than the fact that the council can apparently get rid of the will of the people as stated by the plebiscite without any public hearing and consult. Essentially rendering it and any further one useless and a gigantic waste of money.

apatheticman fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Feb 28, 2016

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Cultural Imperial posted:

I had no idea there was an anti flouride movement on the same scale of stupidity as anti vaxxers

https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/apr/04/politicians-anti-fluoridation-campaigners-fluoride-water

loving lol

nenshi is a dumb fat gently caress

We cannot allow them to contaminate our precious bodily fluids!

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
flouride gives kids low iq


as evidenced by all the calgary posters in this thread

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

apatheticman posted:

poo poo like this makes you look like a 10th grader that is parroting his parents views. Literally all you are doing is name calling..

No, I hate Druh Farrell because she's a miserable bitch who wants to ban smoking everywhere she can, she's making dumb decisions based on feelings instead of good science with regards to fluoride, and she wants to lower speed limits to 40 km/h because apparently that will stop drivers from being morons who hit pedestrians in crosswalks. All the while acting unbearably smug, I might add.

She is an utterly heinous human being and I came to that conclusion all on my own, thank you very much.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Cultural Imperial posted:

flouride gives kids low iq


as evidenced by all the calgary posters in this thread

Joke's on you, I didn't grow up here. I drank pure BC water (and grain alcohol).

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
stephen harper and kevin o'leary on the other hand are

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

PT6A posted:

Joke's on you, I didn't grow up here. I drank pure BC water (and grain alcohol).

shut up white trash i'm not talking to you

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

PT6A posted:

No, I hate Druh Farrell because she's a miserable bitch who wants to ban smoking everywhere she can, she's making dumb decisions based on feelings instead of good science with regards to fluoride, and she wants to lower speed limits to 40 km/h because apparently that will stop drivers from being morons who hit pedestrians in crosswalks. All the while acting unbearably smug, I might add.

She is an utterly heinous human being and I came to that conclusion all on my own, thank you very much.

Well just make sure you don't ENGAGE! with her and I'm sure she'll get over it

You come off like one of those woodbine BRT assholes

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

apatheticman posted:

There was a plebiscite in 1989 that narrowly won (53%) to put fluoride in the water supply.

In 2011 majority of the same council (lots of incumbents won) had a vote to remove fluoride 10 to 3 with Nenshi and another council member absent. They also rejected putting it to a plebiscite in the 2013 election. However this was done without public input, public hearings.

PT6A and other assholes love to harp on Druh Farrell one of the "hippy" councilors as the impetus of this however the main issue was the city was looking at 6 million in upgrades to continue fluoridation at its 2 water plants and didnt want to pony up the cash.

Taking it in that context I have less of a problem with the "science" than the fact that the council can apparently get rid of the will of the people as stated by the plebiscite without any public hearing and consult. Essentially rendering it and any further one useless and a gigantic waste of money.

Yeah that's pretty lovely.

Nenshi should flex his popularity and create a political party/slate to take over the whole council.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Well it's not like our health care system includes dental care so who cares if kids' teeth rot out of their heads? Parents will pay for it.

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Mad Hamish
Jun 15, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



Smoking bans are bad? Jesus Christ.

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