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General question! If a heel never puts over a face, but remains entertaining in terms of promos and character and workrate, are they to you a good heel?
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Feb 28, 2016 15:14
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ZoDiAC_ posted:General question! If a heel never puts over a face, but remains entertaining in terms of promos and character and workrate, are they to you a good heel? You're a good heel in a bad story.
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Feb 28, 2016 16:02
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Perry Normal posted:You're a good heel in a bad story. 
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Feb 28, 2016 17:28
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Feb 28, 2016 18:15
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Gavok posted:I'm thinking of writing a list article on the worst Wrestlemania moments ever. There are a lot of easy/big ones in there like Hogan winning the title at WM9, the Mr. T boxing match, 18 seconds, Goldberg/Lesnar, Brock landing on his head, Giant Gonzalez having a match, etc. WMX's repeated segments with fake Bill Clinton treated as actual Bill Clinton.
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Feb 28, 2016 18:38
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Orton and Triple H having the main event of Wrestlemania 25 and having it be a pure stinky boring awful slogfest after Michaels/Undertaker was amazing.
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Feb 28, 2016 19:44
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I know where it comes from...so? It's a good finisher because he's saying "This is how we kick rear end in Jersey." Absolutely nothing about the fact that it's an album title makes it a good finisher. The '68 Comeback Special, on the other hand... Gavok posted:- Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts killing all of WM4's momentum in one fell swoop. It's weird that if you looked at Roberts' Meltzer snowflakes you'd think he must have been some mediocre 80s monster heel. ZoDiAC_ posted:General question! If a heel never puts over a face, but remains entertaining in terms of promos and character and workrate, are they to you a good heel?
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Feb 28, 2016 20:26
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Perry Normal posted:Hulk calling Yoko "the jap" at WM 9 I could probably just have an entry on early Wrestlemania Asian racism. There's "The Jap," Paul Orndorff (the face) taunting Mr. Fuji by stretching his own eyes sideways and that time Regis interviewed Tenryu by saying "Toyota! Honda! Godzilla!"
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Feb 28, 2016 20:35
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Halloween Jack posted:I know where it comes from...so? It's a good finisher because he's saying "This is how we kick rear end in Jersey." Absolutely nothing about the fact that it's an album title makes it a good finisher. you called it "Ashbury Park" 
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Feb 28, 2016 21:00
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I noticed some other misspelled words in this thread; please make sure to respond to them all with corrective images and emoticons.
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Feb 28, 2016 21:02
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rotinaj posted:Orton and Triple H having the main event of Wrestlemania 25 and having it be a pure stinky boring awful slogfest after Michaels/Undertaker was amazing. Not only that, making a hugely personal grudge feud "title changes hands on a DQ" was a colossal heat-killing mistake on its own. That poo poo's No DQ all the day. Plus the finish was rushed for time and you can clearly hear the ref saying "one minute" before the end.
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Feb 28, 2016 21:10
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Gavok posted:I could probably just have an entry on early Wrestlemania Asian racism. There's "The Jap," Paul Orndorff (the face) taunting Mr. Fuji by stretching his own eyes sideways and that time Regis interviewed Tenryu by saying "Toyota! Honda! Godzilla!" Or the many, many times Monsoon would say "he Pearl Harbored him!" on commentary. Oh, that time on WM9 when they planted stereotypical Japanese tourists in the crowd to interview.
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Feb 28, 2016 21:42
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Halloween Jack posted:
Okay. Let's take it a bit further: should a heel put over a face, or at what point does a heel's overness cease to be interesting? I'm looking for the heel watermark; I think a heel can be super over, but there comes a point when a heel needs a face; a face needs a foil, every rose has its thorn. Let's pick on Steph; recently, in the Age of Authority, she never puts over a face. Is she a good or bad heel? If the person she is involved with can't fight back, is the heel doing her job? She slaps Brie, Roman. Is Steph doing a good job as a heel? She gets herself over, but she isn't making stars. She's getting the Authority over, but Roman isn't exactly super over as a face, and Brie is retiring. I'd go even further and ask what Steph adds to RAW, but I'd become circular like,
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Feb 28, 2016 22:46
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when do NXT tickets at full sail usually go on sale?
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Feb 29, 2016 00:06
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Ghostpilot posted:Or the many, many times Monsoon would say "he Pearl Harbored him!" on commentary. Oh, that time on WM9 when they planted stereotypical Japanese tourists in the crowd to interview.
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Feb 29, 2016 00:41
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The voters were racist?
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Feb 29, 2016 00:53
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ZoDiAC_ posted:Okay. Let's take it a bit further: should a heel put over a face, or at what point does a heel's overness cease to be interesting? I'm looking for the heel watermark; I think a heel can be super over, but there comes a point when a heel needs a face; a face needs a foil, every rose has its thorn. I go back to my original answer - she's a good heel in a bad story. It's just that in this case, the heel is the one who's actually writing the dumb story that doesn't get anyone over or use her heel heat for any useful purpose. The problem isn't Steph as a heel, per say, it's Steph/Vince/Trips as writers/bookers.
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Feb 29, 2016 00:57
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The prob is steph can't really get any kind of physical comeuppance which is like the basis of all professional wrestling. I think wrestling would be a lot more entertaining in someone beat the poo poo out of Steph in a segment. Let Brock give her a couple germans and you got yourself a lot of happy viewers.
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Feb 29, 2016 00:59
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They had their best shot at that at Wrestlemania when Steph beat Rock over the head with that very fact that no one could even touch her, so Rock got Ronda Rousey out of the crowd. And then Steph ran away and there was no particular payoff there either.
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Feb 29, 2016 01:12
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vickie threw her in a kiddie pool of poo poo
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Feb 29, 2016 01:32
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Is Steph a good heel right now, or could she vanish off TV?
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Feb 29, 2016 01:38
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oldpainless posted:The prob is steph can't really get any kind of physical comeuppance which is like the basis of all professional wrestling. I think wrestling would be a lot more entertaining in someone beat the poo poo out of Steph in a segment. Let Brock give her a couple germans and you got yourself a lot of happy viewers. there's been plenty of heel managers who rarely got in any physical confrontation, because the point is that the person they manage gets both the heel heat and the actual physical comeuppance - Triple H getting his poo poo kicked in whenever he has a match, authority-sponsored guys like Orton and Sheamus getting theirs on a regular basis
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Feb 29, 2016 01:48
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The time is right for a Weasel Suit Match. Only by forcible furry cosplay can the Authority receive their comeuppance.
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Feb 29, 2016 01:55
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VileLL posted:there's been plenty of heel managers who rarely got in any physical confrontation, because the point is that the person they manage gets both the heel heat and the actual physical comeuppance - Triple H getting his poo poo kicked in whenever he has a match, authority-sponsored guys like Orton and Sheamus getting theirs on a regular basis I'll concede this is true but i think you're forgetting how much I like to see man on woman violence
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Feb 29, 2016 02:00
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The issue is that even when the Authority's people lose, they don't really care that much. Wrestling is a lot about theatrics and seeing a heel respond to their plan being foiled by going "Welp" is unsatisfying.
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Feb 29, 2016 02:05
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oldpainless posted:The prob is steph can't really get any kind of physical comeuppance which is like the basis of all professional wrestling. I think wrestling would be a lot more entertaining in someone beat the poo poo out of Steph in a segment. Let Brock give her a couple germans and you got yourself a lot of happy viewers. OR, you know, don't have a meat golem beat her up and instead leave it to one of the women in the division they've been trying and failing to take seriously. Sasha breaking the gently caress out of Stephanie would be amazing.
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Feb 29, 2016 02:14
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Halloween Jack posted:Basically, there's a reason Mr. Fuji or Sonny Onoo won Meltzer's Worst Manager award for most of its history. People were jealous that Sonny popularized the selfie.
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Feb 29, 2016 02:24
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sticklefifer posted:OR, you know, don't have a meat golem beat her up and instead leave it to one of the women in the division they've been trying and failing to take seriously. Kharma should return and flick her head off, and kill her basically, making her blade, a total squash.
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Feb 29, 2016 03:14
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MassRafTer posted:People were jealous that Sonny popularized the selfie. https://twitter.com/FO_VVerhei/status/702320223261601792
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Feb 29, 2016 03:23
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I don't even really get the invention of the selfie thing cause people were taking pictures of themselves like that since handheld cameras and especially polaroids became widely available
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Feb 29, 2016 03:26
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Don't worry folks. No one around here is any good but Steph will get her comeuppance from somebody who immediately leaves afterward, to make money for themselves and/or a company competing for a small portion of the same audience. That's right, I'm talking about Roller Derby star Roly Mary Mother of Quad.
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Feb 29, 2016 03:26
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Aesop Poprock posted:I don't even really get the invention of the selfie thing cause people were taking pictures of themselves like that since handheld cameras and especially polaroids became widely available Ignore Vinny V for stealing my scoop. he jumped on the Nitro watching bandwagon very late. He didn't invent it, he popularized it.
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Feb 29, 2016 03:29
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Gavok posted:I'm thinking of writing a list article on the worst Wrestlemania moments ever. There are a lot of easy/big ones in there like Hogan winning the title at WM9, the Mr. T boxing match, 18 seconds, Goldberg/Lesnar, Brock landing on his head, Giant Gonzalez having a match, etc. The Miller Lite Girls at WM19 Saliva & Limp Bizkit performing Rey v Orton v Angle getting a ton of time cut off so they could run a lingerie pillow fight WM11's opening video going over the illustrious history of celebrities at WM and focusing most of the show around it (That said there understandably wasn't a draw on the card anyway) Roddy Piper and Morton Downey Jr.'s 3 hour segment SG Bamboo posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x6XpVM5lBU This is really sick in the lens of 2016
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Feb 29, 2016 04:04
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limp bizkit was good
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Feb 29, 2016 04:10
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Does anyone remember which promotion had a match where there was a knife fight sequence that involved playing "Beat It" over the speakers while the wrestlers re-enacted that video scene?
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Feb 29, 2016 04:14
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Mentioning WM11 reminds me of one thing that always irked me. Diesel vs. Michaels was an otherwise okay title match, but they completely hosed up the spot where Michaels was supposed to be slingshotted into the exposed turnbuckle. Instead, he landed on the second turnbuckle (which was padded) and it made Sid's appearance completely pointless since did absolutely nothing else. Also, I'm counting Wrestlemania for NES as a terrible Wrestlemania moment based on technicality. Wrestlemania: The Album too. (Who will survive?!) Cory Lidle posted:Does anyone remember which promotion had a match where there was a knife fight sequence that involved playing "Beat It" over the speakers while the wrestlers re-enacted that video scene? AWS. It was Human Tornado vs. Scorpio Sky.
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Feb 29, 2016 04:17
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sounds like something the osirian portal would've done
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Feb 29, 2016 04:17
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Found it! I should've started on YouTube, Google wasn't very helpful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMPw1ov_9KM
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Feb 29, 2016 04:23
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Gavok posted:Wrestlemania: The Album too. This actually reminds me of a question! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSbyk0VReyo&t=84s Does anybody know what they were censoring here? It's a really odd cut.
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Lady Naga posted:This actually reminds me of a question! I listened a few times but probably WWF? EDIT: Wait do you mean audio or video cut?
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