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Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

Jaramin posted:

So is there any foreign capital left in China?

Probably. It's hard to disengage from a market when you're forbidden to sell your holdings.

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StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

:golfclap:

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

:vince:

TheBuilder
Jul 11, 2001
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-29/china-s-stocks-sink-to-one-month-low-after-g20-meeting-concludes

quote:

Investors had hoped the government would announce measures to bolster the economy over the weekend, according to JK Life Insurance Co., after People’s Bank of China Governor Zhou Xiaochuan said on Friday there is room for more easing. There are also increasing signs funds are shifting from equities to housing, according to Steve Wang, chief China economist at Reorient Financial Markets Ltd.

"Investors feel disappointed over the lack of good news from the G-20, while the yuan has started to weaken again," Wang said in Hong Kong. "There are signs of panic buying in China’s property market as prices in large cities continue to rise. A hazy economic outlook prompted some people to sell shares and buy homes, while many stocks remain overvalued."

Yes, buy more houses!

Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

In Sydney or Vancouver, preferably. Because much like diamonds, house equity is FOREVER.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

It's like watching the trainwreck from Super 8 in slow motion. :allears:

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

quote:

China's President Sets All Party Members Homework to Read Old Report by Chairman Mao

On Monday, the Shanghai stock exchange recorded its lowest ebb since 2014. Earlier this month, disappointing data was missing from state statistical reports, presumably to prevent a further battering of investor confidence. As China prepares for the opening of its annual parliamentary session on Thursday, amid a flurry of worrisome economic indicators, how is Chinese President Xi Jinping addressing this state of affairs?

One solution, it appears, is to strengthen the ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP) by studying an obscure report written by Mao Zedong even before the founding of the People’s Republic in 1949. Xi has urged “party members and cadres to study the pioneering work,” which looks at how to enhance communist discipline and encourage harmony between comrades, according to China’s official Xinhua news agency.

The report, called Work Method of Party Committees, was republished last Friday by a state publishing house and is now available in nationwide bookstores. After Xi’s homework order went out, local party branches rapidly hewed to a directive to “fully understand the essence of Xi’s comments, and strive to excel in their work style and the art of leadership, as well master the political discipline and rules in Mao’s article.” In just one example, CCP officials in an economic-development zone in Xingtai, a city in China’s north-central Hebei province, said they would visit 114 villages to promote the 67-year-old report. Xingtai party cadres will study Mao’s words on weekends and write appropriate analyses.

A Xinhua commentary on the long-forgotten report said that “although half a century has passed, it is still of great practical significance.” The document itself is rife with Management 101, such as “party secretary and committee members should place problems on the table for discussion” and if a party secretary “doesn’t understand or know something, he or she must ask subordinates, instead of quickly expressing approval or disapproval.”

Mao’s report also advises against lengthy meetings and official arrogance. “Like playing piano, we should use our 10 fingers,” the Great Helmsman wrote. “Good music comes from good coordination.” Even as Chinese state bean counters have been accused either of fudging or withholding key economic data, Mao’s article says that “we must know the statistics.”

The CCP’s recent political strength may have derived from having overseen China’s remarkable economic expansion. But growth is slowing. Rather than retreating from party doctrine at a time when China’s economy is now the world’s second largest because of market — not Marxist — reforms, President Xi has doubled down on Mao and his ideological forebears. Xi’s speeches are infused with communist rhetoric, while his deputies have warned against the spread of Western values, such as free speech and the concept of universal human rights, on college campuses. Chinese students returning with overseas MBAs have been encouraged to pledge fealty to the party, as have the nation’s military and judges.

Since taking leadership of the CCP in late 2012, Xi has unleashed an anticorruption campaign sold as instrumental in purifying the political party that has ruled China for more than 65 years. Thousands of officials have been jailed. Xi’s administration has also detained or silenced hundreds of free thinkers, such as lawyers, writers and members of civil society.

In just the latest example, over the weekend, China’s Internet censors shuttered the social-media account of retired property magnate Ren Zhiqiang, who had accumulated around 38 million followers for his political posts. In one of his most recent posts, Ren, a CCP member and former soldier, ridiculed Xi’s Feb. 19 tour of state media offices, during which the Chinese President ordered reporters to “speak for the party’s will.” Journalists have been jailed for their economic reporting during Xi’s reign. “When does the people’s government turn into the party’s government?” wrote Ren on his microblog, after Xi’s news tour, adding that if media “do not represent public interests, the people will be forgotten and abandoned!”

Others wonder if Xi’s campaign — buttressed by detentions and dogma — will pay off for the party. “Xi wants to rid the party of corruption and raise the banner of Marxism,” says Roderick MacFarquhar, a China expert at Harvard. “But even if he gets that from the people, it’s not going to be the glue that holds China together.”

Yes, all of China's recent economic issues are the result of not being ideologically pure enough... :nallears:

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

quote:

Earlier this month, disappointing data was missing from state statistical reports, presumably to prevent a further battering of investor confidence.

Does anyone know specifically what this is referring to?

e: VVVV Thanks. That seems like an awfully naive attempt at misdirection. Or arrogant.

Murgos fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Feb 29, 2016

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Murgos posted:

Does anyone know specifically what this is referring to?

Probably this. Look at January 2016.

BabelFish
Jul 20, 2013

Fallen Rib

McGavin posted:

Probably this. Look at January 2016.

I wonder what the guys at the IMF who voted to make the yuan a reserve currency are thinking these days.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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BabelFish posted:

I wonder what the guys at the IMF who voted to make the yuan a reserve currency are thinking these days.

Hey at least it means that the CCP can't declare that foreigners sabotaged their economy.

At least not as easily.

Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

BabelFish posted:

I wonder what the guys at the IMF who voted to make the yuan a reserve currency are thinking these days.

Glad that they received their bribes in dollars or kind I imagine.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
If they had reservations, they shouldn't have reserved them.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Don't worry guys, more stimulus and rate cuts are on the way

It is to cover the reforms that are definitely happening right around the corner for sure

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

quote:

The PBOC’s announcement also comes shortly before the annual meeting of China’s parliament, which must try to engineer a huge economic shift towards services and consumption and away from basic manufacturing, while also keeping growth stable.

Yeah, good luck with that. Sounds like it's time for another Great Leap Forward.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


BabelFish posted:

I wonder what the guys at the IMF who voted to make the yuan a reserve currency are thinking these days.

Relief that they cashed out the Chinese bribe money into Vancouver condos and real estate

edit:dammit aurubin

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069




Clapping Larry

McGavin posted:

Yeah, good luck with that. Sounds like it's time for another Great Leap Forward.

Haha that sentence is amazing, yes let's just Decide that we're going to transition to an advanced service based economy and then Do It! It's so simple!

also quintessentially Chinese, "this is the right answer and so let's just do this. no why."

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

:drat:

Fojar38 posted:

Don't worry guys, more stimulus and rate cuts are on the way

It is to cover the reforms that are definitely happening right around the corner for sure
Party leadership gonna reform themselves a nice chalet somewhere.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0W205X

quote:

China said on Monday it expects to lay off 1.8 million workers in the coal and steel industries, or about 15 percent of the workforce, as part of efforts to reduce industrial overcapacity, but no timeframe was given.

I'm sure things are going just fine.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
The entire steel production capacity of the U.S. and Japan doesn't even match China's excess steel capacity.

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer

it's the first step of moving from manufacturing to service, dismantle manufacturing

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


gonna be fun times in 9 months when to stave off populist anger the next president of the US starts pressing China hard on its abuse of US demand as a driver of economic growth, right as the CCP desperately abuses it as hard as they possibly can to stay in power

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

icantfindaname posted:

gonna be fun times in 9 months when to stave off populist anger the next president of the US starts pressing China hard on its abuse of US demand as a driver of economic growth, right as the CCP desperately abuses it as hard as they possibly can to stay in power

What's the next president's name?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


joe biden

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

McGavin posted:

Yes, all of China's recent economic issues are the result of not being ideologically pure enough... :nallears:

Well it is kinda true, if they were they would have neither capitalism, corruption or dissenting citizens. Sadly people, nations and history do not work like utopian visions though.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Open the blood gates

Trammel
Dec 31, 2007
.

Zudgemud posted:

Well it is kinda true, if they were they would have neither capitalism, corruption or dissenting citizens. Sadly people, nations and history do not work like utopian visions though.

Sounds like they need some kind of wall, to keep outside, foreign, corrupting influences out of the middle/central kingdom.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005








ahhh yes, just too much overcapacity. we'll scale down how overcapacity we are!

TheBuilder
Jul 11, 2001

The PLA hacker brigade is going to gently caress moodys poo poo

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


So the yuan hasn't devalued yet, right? I have some money in China I'm thinking of moving to Canada, would now be the time to do that?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Ccs posted:

So the yuan hasn't devalued yet, right? I have some money in China I'm thinking of moving to Canada, would now be the time to do that?

Yes.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

Now prepare yourselves! You're the guests of honor at the Greatest Kung Fu Cannibal BBQ Ever!

Use it to buy canned food. And a spare can-opener.

Miruvor
Jan 19, 2007
Pillbug

FizFashizzle posted:

ahhh yes, just too much overcapacity. we'll scale down how overcapacity we are!

Just 1.8 million? Sounds like 5-6 million layoffs planned. Insane to think about that many people suddenly thrown to the wolves

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-layoffs-exclusive-idUSKCN0W33DS

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Ccs posted:

So the yuan hasn't devalued yet, right? I have some money in China I'm thinking of moving to Canada, would now be the time to do that?

Invest in Vancouver real estate. :suicide:

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

McGavin posted:

Invest in Vancouver real estate. :suicide:
I am half expecting a "Torantian house owners associations for Trump" pac to start. You know to synergize.

Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Mar 2, 2016

DeathSandwich
Apr 24, 2008

I fucking hate puzzles.

Ccs posted:

So the yuan hasn't devalued yet, right? I have some money in China I'm thinking of moving to Canada, would now be the time to do that?

Get that money out, but if what's been said here is any indication, Canada is the wrong place to put it. If the Chinese economy implodes, that's lighting the fuse for the Canadian and Australian real estate bubbles to pop as well. The effect of that probably isn't going to be as dramatic as the Yuan exploding, but it's worth noting.

I'm not even sure what market would be the stable safe bet here. Indicators are pointing at another US downturn in the near future as we are setting up for a second .Com bubble bursting.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006
The yen seems to be strengthening against both the dollar and the euro. Maybe a sign of something?

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Grundulum posted:

The yen seems to be strengthening against both the dollar and the euro. Maybe a sign of something?

Mostly that trying to play the forex game with your money is a very dumb idea.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Shifty Pony posted:

Mostly that trying to play the forex game with your money is a very dumb idea.

If it's so dumb then why do they let you lever up 100X?

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Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

Shifty Pony posted:

Mostly that trying to play the forex game with your money is a very dumb idea.

I meant more in terms of where might be a safe place to put money. Sure, the bank accounts in Japan offer zero (and I've heard rumors about negative) interest, but maybe the investment outlook is perking up?

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