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coyo7e posted:Fly fishing is like dance, to regular fishing's marching along in lockstep. When I'm fly fishing, I really don't care that much if I catch anything at all - it's just such a pleasure to get entirely into your technique and forget what's going on. No matter what lure and/or bait fishing I'm doing, there's just nowhere near as much pleasure in the actual action of fishing, as there is when I'm fly fishing. yes, quote:Buy a cheap flyrod and a hula hoop, and toss the hoop in your yard and practise with a strike indicator instead of a hook first, though, before you go anywhere near the water. If you can't roll-cast a fly under your rhododendrons 75% of the time, you're just going to lose your gear and possibly most of your leader immediately. quote:A lot of fly-fishermen are real assholes though and look down on or try to chase away bait/lure fishermen from their favorite fly holes - I've found that the more expensive the vest and waders and gear someone's rocking while fly fishing, the more likely they will be a complete rear end to someone using spinners or eggs or the like.. I almost threw an old guy into the drink one time, when he angrily splashed down the river to me and informed me that I couldn't use lures on "his" river, because it was only for fly fishing (despite the regs saying otherwise, and my family owning two different properties on both ends of that same river). I think that fly fishermen being elitist pricks is more why it gets a bad rap from other fishermen, than any other reason. yes! quote:I really do not see how there can be any art or technique to tenkara, since you're literally using a 10' piece of line. You were doing so well.... beefnoodle fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Mar 2, 2016 |
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Fly fishing seems like shaving with a safely razor, an outdated tech that people stubbornly cling to for nostalgia while trying to claim it's some how better. Or maybe it is like an un-circumstanced penis....
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Mar 2, 2016 02:02
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bongwizzard posted:Fly fishing seems like shaving with a safely razor, an outdated tech that people stubbornly cling to for nostalgia while trying to claim it's some how better.
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Mar 2, 2016 02:10
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My first negative experience with another fisherman was with a fly fisherman. I was wading just off the beach at the local neighborhood lake, catching bluegill with a stick, line, hook, and corn kernels. There was a guy fly fishing next to me. For every fish he caught with his fancy rod (I remember thinking how drat cool his gear looked with its bright green line) I pulled in 4 with my stick and corn. I'll never forget the look of contempt he gave me when he walked off to a new spot. At the time I walked away from the encounter wanting a fly rod more than anything. Looking back that guy was a serious dick giving a 9 year old and his stick the stinky eye. I was even there first!
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Mar 2, 2016 02:18
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stealie72 posted:Nah, shaving with a safety razor *saves* you money. *sets hook* Nothing like fishing for posters.
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Mar 2, 2016 02:27
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Even in California it's generally a good idea to leave other fishermen alone. I would be more wary of bothering fishermen in bear country.
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Mar 2, 2016 02:48
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Bothering other fishermen who aren't bothering you is a dick move no matter what style fishing you're doing. Namaste.
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Mar 2, 2016 03:26
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I'm a big fan of fishing (I was the op of a previous incarnation of this thread, years ago I think) that has sort of fallen out of the hobby for a while. I used to be big into surf fishing in the gulf of mexico and some shore side freshwater stuff, but I move away from that area to the midwest. I tried fishing a bit last summer from the shore but found it a bit dull in this area. I finally bit the bullet and got a inexpensive kayak (Pelican Trailblazer 100) and want to take it out on the reservoirs and lakes near by. The main lake I'm local to has the typical fair for the midwest, I guess (bass, crappie and sunnies, drum and cats, perch etc.). Obviously, my techniques are going to change depending on the time of year and what fish I'm targeting, but are they're any beginners tips for kayak lake fishing that you goons want to share? I remember there being a fairly large number of kayak fishermen in this thread.
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Mar 2, 2016 04:06
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beefnoodle posted:You were doing so well.... I used to fish crayfish on a stick with a 10-12' piece of line, a bent paperclip, and some chunks of turkey skin.. It was literally "dunk, pull, drop into bucket, dunk again". I can't see how using a fancy rod and 10 feet of line is much different, but would be willing to look into it if you can provide something informative and interesting.
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Mar 2, 2016 04:40
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Please FishBro. All you need is a hook and bug to catch trout. Fish are stupid. Fish eat. You are coming off as immensely condescending about your efforts to trick a stupid animal to biting your hand-tied fly. There has never been, and never will be a smart fish. It's all instincts.
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Mar 2, 2016 04:48
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coyo7e posted:You're likely right, so please feel free to throw out some stuff which shows all the technique and strategy of tenkara - because from where I'm standing, it looks like you just flip a lure around within arm's reach over and over, and then move to another hole. I'm genuinely curious as to how it takes anything besides not beating the water like you're an old lady with a broomstick - all the stealth and water reading I learned through other methods, and despite the inherent difficulty in trying to not spook certain types of fish, I can't see how it takes much effort or skill It's definitely not dapping. Some videos here: http://www.tenkarausa.com/learn-tenkara/ and on their YouTube channel. Line management, esp. once you get into lines twice the length of your 14' rod, is just as important as it is with a reel. Casting is just like traditional fly casting. It's really not arm's reach unless you have 20' arms. The main thing is you can have a lot of control over your drift by using the length of the rod to keep most of the line out of the water. So much less mending. Bow and arrow casts are awesome for getting under brush on the opposite side of a stream. There is nothing better for casting into a tiny pool on a mountain stream, in my opinion. Lake fishing with Tenkara sucks, except for cruisers along the shore, but it's great for streams, which it was designed for. I would never use Tenkara in a drift boat on the Bighorn or the Green. I got into it for backpacking in the Rockies, since there is a lot less to pack. Note: I am in no way a weaboo, and definitely did not get into it because it's Japanese.
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Mar 2, 2016 05:10
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beefnoodle posted:Lake fishing with Tenkara sucks, except for cruisers along the shore, but it's great for streams, which it was designed for. I would never use Tenkara in a drift boat on the Bighorn or the Green. I got into it for backpacking in the Rockies, since there is a lot less to pack. Basically this. It packs down really nicely for hiking/camping in Colorado. Out here, there's plenty of reasons to have any number of rods. Plenty of situations that work well for one versus the others. Man. A lot of goons getting angry about fishing in here.
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Mar 2, 2016 05:33
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^^^ Lot of goons projecting about other people being upset, up in here.  beefnoodle posted:It's definitely not dapping. Some videos here: http://www.tenkarausa.com/learn-tenkara/ and on their YouTube channel. I've never heard of "bow and arrow" casting before, although I do know some techniques which are pretty similar sounding, using a baitcaster. I'll have to check out some videos. Thanks! coyo7e fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Mar 2, 2016 |
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Mar 2, 2016 07:23
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coyo7e posted:^^^ Lot of goons projecting about other people being upset, up in here. A 14' telescoping rod is a lot, I mean a LOT, different from a typical 9' 5-weight. A bunch of other stuff with Tenkara follows from that. So you're right, it's a lot like Western fly fishing except you're not using a reel, and you have this big loving rod to hold out. e: As for cotton string and paperclips, it still is weight-forward fly line, and dry flies. (Some nymph with Tenkara, but I don't.)
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Most of my use of Tenkara is when I want to delivery to smaller pools or eddies that a western fly rod can't consistently deliver to - cover/tight spaces make it less effort to flick a fly over with the Tenkara rod, or fire a fly over with the bow/arrow technique. Otherwise, my weapon of choice is my smaller #4/8'. I just picked up a new #6/10' for Xmas and I'm excited to use it when I hit up the Roaring Fork/Poudre/Colorado River ranges this spring/summer.
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I took the kayak offshore today, I started out drifting around for some squid and got my bag within a couple of hours. After that I headed outside to see what else was around. Some decent squid mixed in with the smaller ones  They did a bit of redecorating, the PFD is starting to take on a camo pattern.  Trolling plastics along under the cliffs. Conditions were absolutely mint, hardly a wave in sight    I was hoping for kingfish, but had to be content with a stinky pike that ate a big Zman paddle tail. Decent chompers on those things, but the plastic survived unscathed. I'd never caught a pike before so it was bled and gutted and has a date with the deepfrier tomorrow night. They aren't actually 'pike', they're just another in a long line of Australian critters that was named after something European that it bears a superficial resemblance to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-finned_pike   Some pretty spectacular scenery  Cape Woolamai from a fair way out  Could not ask for better conditions. Tasmania is somewhere out there. 
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regarding all this fly fishing talk. Has anyone tried the "Fly and Bubble" Technique (it's a "fancy" bobber weighted with water that lets you cast flies on a spinning rod)? I'm thinking of trying it out this upcoming season.
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Mar 2, 2016 18:11
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Marshmallow Blue posted:regarding all this fly fishing talk. Has anyone tried the "Fly and Bubble" Technique (it's a "fancy" bobber weighted with water that lets you cast flies on a spinning rod)? I'm thinking of trying it out this upcoming season. I've used rigs like this in the past, and the biggest issue I've had is that the fish out here are pretty easily spooked, and a large object that plays light oddly causes them to immediately sink into the pool or current and avoid taking anything for a spell. YMMV though.
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Mar 2, 2016 18:21
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Marshmallow Blue posted:regarding all this fly fishing talk. Has anyone tried the "Fly and Bubble" Technique (it's a "fancy" bobber weighted with water that lets you cast flies on a spinning rod)? I'm thinking of trying it out this upcoming season. I've used one with power bait maggots to float them in mid water and the rainbows bite just fine. Open lake with otters, bears and Eagles preying on them. Yeah basically just a hard to see bobber. I do plan on trying flys with them sooner or later.
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gamera009 posted:I've used rigs like this in the past, and the biggest issue I've had is that the fish out here are pretty easily spooked, and a large object that plays light oddly causes them to immediately sink into the pool or current and avoid taking anything for a spell. YMMV though. Same.
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Mar 2, 2016 21:34
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beefnoodle posted:Same. Local chat time: have you been on any of the streams recently beefnoodle? I live right by the Boulder tailwaters so I've been pulling the occasional brown when I have the time.
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Mar 2, 2016 21:51
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Sadly, no. Too much work travel this past year, and with the upcoming move, the gear's gonna get packed up before I can use it.
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I wrecked my foot (slipped and rolled over my ankle, tore a bunch of poo poo and a solid ~2 month recovery time) so I won't be fishing for the next few weeks, but yeah, using a nice 6-10 foot leader below a bobber on a fly is legit, if you aren't using 6+ feet of clear line below the bobber you're probably just beating yourself before your rig hits the water though, imho. I'm dying to get out on the water but right now my only options are "can I get to the water within 4-5 minutes of hobbling? And can I make it back to the car after?" So basically I'm stuck to fishing for stocker rainbows in the local parks and ponds. I really strongly recommend that nobody ever slip in the mud and roll their ankle over - or at least if you do, do it while playing softball or kickball in a bar league, so you have a less-stupid story for how you ruined your leg from the toe to the knee, slipping in some mud. 
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I twisted my knee really bad while I was asleep on my couch the other day, limped around for like two weeks and now it has a constant feeling like my knee has to crack, but it just won't. Try explaining to your boss that you have to work from home because you hurt your knee while sleeping.
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coyo7e posted:I wrecked my foot (slipped and rolled over my ankle, tore a bunch of poo poo and a solid ~2 month recovery time) so I won't be fishing for the next few weeks, but yeah, using a nice 6-10 foot leader below a bobber on a fly is legit, if you aren't using 6+ feet of clear line below the bobber you're probably just beating yourself before your rig hits the water though, imho. Hmm, probably won't work for me cause I'm looking to hit rivers that aren't usually 6-10 feet deep. But a dry fly should just float and not sink 10 feet right? How would you fish a setup like that? Do the flies float on their own, and what kind of retrieval method should be used? I'm dying to hit the water too, but the only thing holding me back is the rivers all still have some ice structures (can't be fished from), and all water bodies are closed at least until April 1st. The temperatures are supposed to be crazy warm this week, so hopefully it's taken care of by the weekend. Edit: I'm very pumped for this year, having spent the winter reading about techniques to try. I got my line spooled on, which I downgraded (upgraded) from 10lb line to 6lb line. I know it's still high for trout, but I'm a worry puss and the thought of snapping my line and losing a fish or lure freaks me out. Better to have never caught a fish than lost a 3 dollar lure. Don't ask me about my reasoning. Thankfully the trout are pretty dumb up here and hit my 10lb line regularly. Marshmallow Blue fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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If you are not snagging, you are not going to catch many fish. It took me about a year to learn, but sense I embraced the fleeting nature of lure ownership, I have caught a lot more fish, and had a lot more fun. Also, the more lures you loose, the more you get to buy to replace them with, it's a win-win! Also also I have been In Florida for like 4 days out of a 10 day trip and I very much regret not bringing a rig along. I really need to build a universal kit and always make sure it is the first thing in my suitcase.
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Marshmallow Blue posted:But a dry fly should just float and not sink 10 feet right? How would you fish a setup like that? Do the flies float on their own, and what kind of retrieval method should be used? Dry flies should float unless you're deliberately doing some tactic to get it wet (pulsing, a swing at the end of a drift, etc). Under normal circumstances in streams, you're working on a drag-free dead drift. In lakes using fly and bubble, you're just letting the fly sit out where the fish are rising. You're not doing much of a retrieve, since that would pull the fly under. Nymphing is a completely different thing.
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Mar 9, 2016 02:23
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Gill net < Cast net < bait fishing < artificials < fly fishing Stay classy fishing thread
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We have sea run trout/steelhead here in Australia but no one really targets them (or if they do they're keeping very quiet about it), does anyone know much about them? What lures, preferred structure and all that sort of thing. I'd be fishing for them from the kayak. Or am I over thinking it and I should just treat an estuary that holds them the same as a lake or river?
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tesilential posted:Gill net < Cast net < bait fishing < artificials < fly fishing
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tesilential posted:Poison< explosives <Otter trawl < Gill net < Cast net < bait fishing < artificials < fly fishing <spear fishing with tank < spear fishing no tank < noodling
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Mar 9, 2016 05:08
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Noodling creeps the hell out of me.
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I'll never noodle. Never. gently caress snapping turtles.
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Call it elitist if you want, but I hate seeing bait fisherman on our river because I'm sick of seeing dead undersized trout that swallowed a hook. On our beat the fly fishing only section is getting longer and longer every year and I think it's awesome. And I hate Tenkara, mainly Tenkara USA and their goddamn dumb marketing gimmick and army of impressionable japanophile neckbeards.
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Armed Neutrality posted:And I hate Tenkara, mainly Tenkara USA and their goddamn dumb marketing gimmick and army of impressionable japanophile neckbeards. Yeah I can do without most of the japanophile stuff. No, I'm not buying your tea powder. Also, why did you bring your Hanzo Steel on a fishing trip? http://www.tenkarausa.com/cops-crash-tenkara-tea-ceremony/
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Barbs are unnecessary for sport fishing. Bait fishing with barbs on stuff that you may have to release is laaaame.
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I think Tenkara looks neat and is a pretty good solution for small stream fishing (a favorite of mine). The only difference I see between it and a normal fly rod is the lack of reel, not really (heh) something to get bent out of shape about. As for barbed hooks I'm in complete agreement. I started crimping the barbs on all my hooks years ago and haven't looked back. I buy barbless when I can, even going so far as to replace any and all treble hooks on my lures with single barbless. You don't really lose any more fish and catch and release is so much easier.
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LingcodKilla posted:I'll never noodle. Never. Barbs gently caress up my safe-release net too, since it's not one of those neat silicone coated ones. I got tired of sewing up holes that got torn/cut in it when I had to remove a barb from my net mesh, and the only stuff I use with barbs anymore are salmon lures because it's frustrating as hell to lose a salmon. That Tenkara USA link is seriously LOL though, I can only imagine how horrified those japanese dudes were when dorky white dude pulled out his blade and started pretending he was Miyamoto Musashi... That's the epitome of white-privilege.jpeg. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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Mar 10, 2016 22:14
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We can't use barbs on salmon in CA.
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I debarb all my trebles or switch them out with single hooks, which I have hand limited luck with. I need to get a more accurate scale so I can try and keep lures running correctly. I am sure I will end up debarbing everything, but right now I need more practice fighting. I also think I have finally accepted that I have been, in general, using too light a rod for almost everything. My mainstay has been a L weight spinning rod and the other week I got a great deal on a St Croix ML. Even throwing a tiny little Ned rig, the improvement in casting and more Importantly, hook sets, was very noticeable. I also now accept I have been using way too heavy line on most of my reels which compounds my casting issues with lighter tackle. So a I did the sensible thing and ordered a custom ML to replace the L as my "only brining one rod" rod. I suspect I am going to have to sell another gun this summer if I keep this up.
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