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Orv posted:A much better game killed by equally stupid devs. Hawken was terrible at higher matchmaker tiers (a familiar concept), even more than MWO. Because of terrible decisions by those devs, competitive play consisted of using the lightest fastest robots and throwing a grenade at the other guys in fast robots, then waiting for your grenade cooldown to finish so you can do it again.
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To put a slightly more positive spin on the thread. Pubbies are actually listening today. Also, I think I managed to get my King Crab perfect.   with this build  and using a 150ms delay on firecontrol
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Scoops posted:yeah he really should have more respect for the retard talking about making this arena shooter more like a sim This doesn't have anything to do with what I posted at all. Want to try again?
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Sputty posted:Who cares what lovely players do? People don't deathball now and run LRMs but they're irrelevant. People would shove loads of small lasers and SRMs into XL mechs and run around alphaing. The game has always been about running alpha heavy builds. Whether it was the early high speed huge XL brawl mechs, the poptart snipers, gauss builds and now lasers the builds have never been alpha based. It's a problem that has a non-trivial solution. Alpha builds, whether they're long range peek and poke snipers, mid-range peek and poke laser boats, pop tarts, or any other variation of "step out of cover, unload everything, jump back into cover" are advantageous precisely because you're ideally maximizing the ratio of "time spent actually shooting" versus "time spent getting shot". Likewise, damage up front will always have an advantage over more leveled DPS builds. It's a problem made more complex by the fact that weapons systems are all direct trade offs - small vs medium lasers not only involve more tonnage for more damage, but also cost more heat and more range and burn time. Even when you have some values being similar, there are typically other concerns that make a straight comparison difficult to quantify. What's the solution? Well, one way to approach the problem would be via copious amounts of data analysis. Comparing performance data of weapons and weapon configurations direct from played matches, in quantity, should give you plenty of information on what weapons players are actually using, what weapons players are ignoring, distribution of engagement ranges the weapon is fired at and the average damage done at those ranges, as well as any other performance data you'd care to capture. Ideally, you'd review this wealth of data and make actual data-driven informed judgments on the impact of tweaking weapon values, as well as be able to view actual data on the impact of your changes. On the other hand, 
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How bout just getting the gently caress away from table top rules because they are video game poison. gently caress Russ forever.
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Rape Stink posted:How bout just getting the gently caress away from table top rules because they are video game poison. gently caress Russ forever. Either commit to tabletop rules (like the HBS/FASA game is) or redo everything to work as a real-time pinpoint-aim shooter. 's problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too
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WarLocke posted:Either commit to tabletop rules (like the HBS/FASA game is) or redo everything to work as a real-time pinpoint-aim shooter. HBS actually said they're changing the rules.
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Skoll posted:HBS actually said they're changing the rules. Blah, you know what I meant, they're not trying to make a turn-based system work in real-time. Or a random-hit-location one work when you can have pinpoint precision.
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Rape Stink posted:How bout just getting the gently caress away from table top rules because they are video game poison. gently caress Russ forever. They only barely implemented the tabletop rules, and then all the stuff that actually helps to balance those rules they left out. Stuff like the Battle Value system, the fact that some mechs and weapon systems are specifically for shooting at infantry, tanks, or aerospace fighters. Their ECM implementation was stupid since they added the guardian system that was not even within the timeline that they specified. They totally rewrote the rules for LRM's and didn't implement them as they work in tabletop at all (you can't shoot indirect fire unless a mech does nothing but share targeting data without shooting unless it has tag or narc for example). They deviated so far from the tabletop rules that when they say they are trying to stay close to tabletop it's a complete bullshit line to try to cover for the fact that they were terrible at implementing those systems in the first place. They didn't even implement the close-medium-long range mechanic which is about as essential as the heat system to weapon balance. And the implementation of targeting computers and command computers is practically useless. I can't think of any tabletop system besides hit locations that actually made it into the game intact, tonnage and critical slots too I suppose. Washout fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Mar 3, 2016 |
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Holy poo poo you actually think that tabletop systems can work well in a realtime first person game 
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mashed_penguin posted:Holy poo poo you actually think that tabletop systems can work well in a realtime first person game He's not saying that, it's about the weak-rear end implementation of what they did have to work with. I'm boomarking his post in Netscape right now. Not just for the forums, but it's own, legit bookmark.
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the Phoenix Hawk has no bundle discount and the heroes cost the same as the Kodiak one even when it's 55 tons lighter? i'm fairly certain both 45 ton hero mechs cost less than $15. PGI is seriously loving stupid
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in contrast, mech's shouldn't cost more depending on weight they are. PGI is stupid
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mashed_penguin posted:Holy poo poo you actually think that tabletop systems can work well in a realtime first person game No, I'm saying they are a bunch of lovely game designers who can't even cleave to anything they are saying.
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Speaking of dumb bullshit, have they said anything about Marauders date for not-dollars?
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Washout posted:No, I'm saying they are a bunch of lovely game designers who can't even cleave to anything they are saying. And yet you guys still give them money and content for the whales 
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The phoenix hawk is exactly the IS medium I've been waiting for. I just hope the size is scaled well with the tonnage. It's probably going to be the IS version of the shadow cat in a brawl though. I'm going to zombie mine with medium pulses and machineguns 
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Oh wow, another incredibly lame looking humanoid mech. That thing has a gun in his hand, how they gonna model that ingame, cosidering you can change loadouts and stuff? e: big fat lol for the ultimate bundle, which saves you exactly zero cent.
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DancingShade posted:The phoenix hawk is exactly the IS medium I've been waiting for. I just hope the size is scaled well with the tonnage. Sucker
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Raged posted:Sucker Greetings fellow mechwarriors online player.
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mashed_penguin posted:Holy poo poo you actually think that tabletop systems can work well in a realtime first person game Holy poo poo you don't even bother reading. Orv posted:Speaking of dumb bullshit, have they said anything about Marauders date for not-dollars? I want to say May, but I could be wrong, and I'm not going to bother to go look.
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I'm not giving them any money and I'm glad I didn't buy the Kodiak
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Stringbean posted:What's the loving complaint with the 85 dollar package? 8 mechs, 60 days of premium, 3 each of hanging, mounted, standing cockpit items, all the pre-order bonuses. Seems like a fair deal for those who still like the game and plan on giving PGI more money. lol if you're at a fat retard who wants to give pgi money for an overpriced product before they actually delivery they have never nerfed or fundamentally changed something once it became available for cbills they also totally deserve more money for being very competent at running a business
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Yolomon Wayne posted:That thing has a gun in his hand, how they gonna model that ingame, cosidering you can change loadouts and stuff? I hope it's just a stick that they bolt the weapon on to, and that all the weapons look like the VCR boxes on the catapult.
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Hmm, is 4 x Small laser + 2 x smallpulse (with the rest an ECM and heatsinks, obviously) better than 5x small pulse laser on an arctic cheater? I feel the extra heatsink helps a lot and it gives you slightly more alpha than you would otherwise get.
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Drythe posted:lol if you're at a fat retard who wants to give pgi money for an overpriced product before they actually delivery lol if you thought I put any more money down until I know what the future holds. Nor would I ever put 85 bucks down on any one game in any one sitting. (Except Dark Souls 3) At this point the angry rants and insults aren't contributing to the thread in any way. It's not even constructive in any way. New goons are coming in and probably turned away because of the toxicity. Just give them the old "Game is okay now, changes may or may not make it worse. Save your cash, don't buy mechs with real money." "I like playing this game" is the equivalent of "lol I'm a big dumb gay baby" in this thread. We loving get it, you all aren't holding your breath waiting for PGI to not gently caress things up. We get that you don't give money to this company because of their track records. But spewing pure vitriol isn't going to make things any better.
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Remember it's cool and edgy to say [video game] is bad. That's how you get your reddit gold. Oh wait.
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Drythe posted:lol if you're at a fat retard who wants to give pgi money for an overpriced product before they actually delivery What nerfs have the resistance mechs received? Or the IIC mechs, for that matter?
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A.o.D. posted:What nerfs have the resistance mechs received? Or the IIC mechs, for that matter? The Black Knight went from utter trash to legit one of the best mechs in the game
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Stringbean posted:New goons are coming in and probably turned away because of the toxicity. Good, it's time someone finally took a stand against the toxic attitude of this thread. it's so toxic, i can't believe how toxic it is to the community. it's just toxic and killing the proud goon community of mwo and discouraging people from playing a lovely game run by idiots. so toxic. stairs.
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A Curvy Goonette posted:Good, it's time someone finally took a stand against the toxic attitude of this thread. it's so toxic, i can't believe how toxic it is to the community. it's just toxic and killing the proud goon community of mwo and discouraging people from playing a lovely game run by idiots. so toxic. stairs. I know this is like, a ~pErSoNa~ for the purposes of this thread and harvesting goon tears but let me level with you, it's super obvious. Try doing things like insinuating SRM 4s are better than ASRM6 in certain situations. Advocate the long range meta, offer helpful advice like "shoot the event more than you get shot" and the ever helpful "get good kid". Furthermore I bought a kodiak because I was craving a pizza and I'm a fat piece of poo poo, so when I crave takeaway I eat a salad and spend the money on something equally as likely to be turned into poo poo as a pizza. This is why I own marauders as well.
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A Curvy Goonette posted:Good, it's time someone finally took a stand against the toxic attitude of this thread. it's so toxic, i can't believe how toxic it is to the community. it's just toxic and killing the proud goon community of mwo and discouraging people from playing a lovely game run by idiots. so toxic. stairs. 
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Random Number posted:I know this is like, a ~pErSoNa~ for the purposes of this thread and harvesting goon tears but let me level with you, it's super obvious. I perfectly understand the don't give money to aspect. It only reinforces their stupidity, but damnit, I need a big stompy bare. Plus, unless you're a shutin goonlord, just skip eating fast food a couple times that week and you've saved enough for a new robot. Plus you might lose a pound or 2.This thread is like Michigan water
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veedubfreak posted:I perfectly understand the don't give money to Lead addled and full of piss? I occasionally spend money on things that I will spend many hours entertaining myself with. $20 for the Rifleman (shush, I like Riflemen) pack from a Christmas eve gift card? Perfect. I've spent a good 20 hours eliting them out. $1 per hour of entertainment is pretty goddamn cheap. Talmonis fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Mar 3, 2016 |
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Talmonis posted:Lead addled and full of piss? And lots of salt.
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you know once the Phoenix Hawk is out for fake money, you can do some interesting things with it. One theorycraft I saw was this for the energyboat: PHX-1K Just endo XL325 = 125 kph 8 small pulse lasers Full armor -2 on head 16 double heatsinks No jets but I think that could be pretty good? You can also do a gauss/2ML sniper with three tons of ammo on the -1B, and you'd be going 104 with an XL270 not gamebreaking but probably p. viable the heroes will both likely be bad though
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Pattonesque posted:you know once the Phoenix Hawk is out for fake money, you can do some interesting things with it. Could also drop one or two of the pulse lasers for some jump jets.
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Random Number posted:I know this is like, a ~pErSoNa~ for the purposes of this thread and harvesting goon tears but let me level with you, it's super obvious. They're just preparing you for when we inevitably get put into GBS again. No wait... getting put into GBS actually improved the thread last time.
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Talmonis posted:Could also drop one or two of the pulse lasers for some jump jets. That variant doesn't have them  you coooould do something like that on the PHX-2, with ECM and JJs. Maybe 5 or 6 MPL?
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