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Cugel the Clever posted:
The gimmick is that you say something like "the sky is blue" and the troll replies "you loving idiot, have you ever looked up at night? It's black." Not wrong, but not exactly the same thing you were talking about.
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Cugel the Clever posted:In what way? If one's concerns are such that they judge their reasons against voting for Clinton in the primary to outweigh the reasons to vote for her, wherein lies the irrationality? I very nearly caveated my post by saying something along the lines "Irrational only if the voter voted for Bernie because of policy and vision for the country" but then I didn't, because what the hell? If you're voting for a presidential candidate for reasons that are not strongly tied to the direction they're going to take the country or in outright opposition to the GOP platform, then I don't even know how to approach this. The assumption here is that Bernie and Hillary are very similar in objective but different on style and approach. You might think that Hillary is going to shift hard right once elected. I don't know why anyone would think this, and her past has no indication that she could even come close to anything the GOP is putting forward as their ideal policy goals - making her better by default. You might think that Hillary cannot win, but not voting doesn't help that. You might think that Hillary is distrustful or distasteful as an individual, but that's not a good reason to upend major Democratic objectives for someone who you don't even personally know. There just isn't a rational reason, in the scope of national US politics, to not vote for Hillary if you voted for Bernie. Edit: I'll note that when my primary rolls around, I'm going to vote for Bernie. I'm going to vote for Bernie because I like how he's shifted the conversation and want to reinforce that idea. I support Hillary, because I believe she is going to be a more effective administrator. Boon fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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Cugel the Clever posted:Sigh. I'd believe FishMech's purely a troll had I not seen those exact arguments in real life. Enjoy narrowing your base! The base is not being narrowed by making fun of morons on internet forums. If you truly believe this it's no wonder you have no clue how politics works. Kilroy posted:And when they start voting, who do you think they vote for if their experience with Democrats is "Oh, you are hesitant to vote for this candidate I endorse? Well then gently caress you, gently caress your vote, and gently caress your voice. You probably weren't going to vote, anyway". Oh yes the old "people made fun of me for not voting, so now I guess I have to vote to kill the gays and blacks" argument. Which is total bullshit. And once again you're acting like making fun of people on internet forums magically turns them Republican, even though they'll never ever read the site. Well, those people deserve to be alienated because they're racist, sexist, awful people. Kilroy posted:Bernie Sanders isn't a "meme candidate" you unbelievable dickhead. And even if he were, yes they still are. Hey lil buddy, there's this thing called "other elections besides this one". Every election cycle there's some random candidate that people latch on to and claim they won't vote for whoever wins. That's what I mean by meme candidate. Epic High Five posted:Isn't it the case this campaign that Clinton's biggest donators have been George "Freeper Devil" Soros and pipe fitters? Haven't the Democrats only received like 1/10 of the unlimited donations that the GOP has? Where's this talk about Clinton being a wall Street money sponge coming from? Since she was senator from New York she got a lot of campaign money from the finance industry. Just like if she had been senator for Iowa she'd have gotten a lot of money from big corn, or if in Texas from big oil people. Chomp8645 posted:I like how when people see "young people don't vote much" they conclude that obviously this is because they are lazy and apathetic and don't care and won't vote no matter what you do. Not like the civic minded older crowd! Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that there is basically never a candidate that advocates for youth interests with more than token gestures while older voters are constantly pandered to. No way. They, we, factually are apathetic and lazy about voting, that's why the participation rate is so low even when you factor out people who can't vote due to voting restrictions, working requirements that make it impossible to get to the polls etc. And it's factual that every single cohort that has voted at low rates while young votes more as they get older. This has been consistent for decades on end. If the true reason is "well no one represents exactly what I want!!" then tough titty, democracy never involves everyone having a candidate that matches their issues. Perhaps when people get older they get the gently caress over themselves and realize you will never have a perfect candidate? I suppose that's one reason that could explain why every cohort finally starts voting in high rates when they get older.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:19
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Mr. Nice! posted:Fishmech is rarely technically wrong. Technically wrong. The worst kind of wrong. Isn't there a slapfight thread for people to argue about the youth vote? There's a train wreck y'all aren't paying attention to.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:19
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Mr. Nice! posted:Man I'm sure glad to see another Bernie slapfight. It's p impressive how this election has driven everyone insane.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:20
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I wonder what's the overlap of Berniebros that would vote for Trump and choosing the Tong ending in Deus Ex.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:22
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PhazonLink posted:I wonder what's the overlap of Berniebros that would vote for Trump and choosing the Tong ending in Deus Ex. Woah.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:24
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Mr. Nice! posted:Man I'm sure glad to see another Bernie slapfight.  I'm not even arguing pro-Bernie, just anti-"gently caress gently caress gently caress THE UNBELIEVERS".
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Mar 5, 2016 18:24
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What should I tell my father who fears that Trump gets the anti-establishment vote and carries the election?
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Mar 5, 2016 18:25
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Mr. Nice! posted:Man I'm sure glad to see another Bernie slapfight. Yay. More slapfights. I love how they go on for pages and pages and really do nothing besides annoy and frustrate everyone. Why yes, let's have the same circular argument about how Bernie's a rabid socialist-path and Hillary's shady and unelectable due to vague "reasons" that have little to do with anything besides 2-3 decades of Republican propaganda. Grouchio posted:What should I tell my father who fears that Trump gets the anti-establishment vote and carries the election? Tell him that Trump has poisoned the GOP front. Trump as nominee: completely unelectable in general, and potentially quietly (or not so quietly) hobbled by the establishment as they really don't want him as their president since they can't control him. Trump if he gets the nominee stolen from him: Congratulations, Trump's gonna do everything he can to burn the GOP down after that, likely getting on ballots as a third party (likely seeing if he can join the Libertarian party as their golden flagship or be a write in candidate), crippling the Republican vote. Alkydere fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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Mar 5, 2016 18:27
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Grouchio posted:What should I tell my father who fears that Trump gets the anti-establishment vote and carries the election? The die is cast.
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Grouchio posted:What should I tell my father who fears that Trump gets the anti-establishment vote and carries the election? Dehumanize yourself and face bloodshed.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:29
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Cugel the Clever posted:
People who refuse to vote should go gently caress themselves.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:31
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fishmech posted:People who refuse to vote should go gently caress themselves. This is a productive attitude. Maybe instead of saying this you should to give them a reason to? I personally have voted in every election since I turned 18 (yes even the mid terms). But I honestly cannot fault someone who does no, because it really is very difficult to feel that it makes any difference in this country. I often walk out of the booth wondering if I wasted my time, but I still go anyway. It probably doesn't help for me though that I live in California so I can feel secure at all times that whether or I vote or not our representatives to congress are locked in for D.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:35
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fishmech posted:People who refuse to vote should go gently caress themselves. b-but shillary 
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Mar 5, 2016 18:35
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Chomp8645 posted:This is a productive attitude. You really see no difference between the outcomes of GWB and Obama?
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Mar 5, 2016 18:36
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Boon posted:No, it's not. Deliberately not voting for Hillary in the general after voting for Bernie in the primary is irrational, however. I thought accelerationism was cool around here. If not the progressive, let trump win and run this poo poo into the ground in the name of full communism.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:40
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Chomp8645 posted:This is a productive attitude. President TRUMP, President CRUZ. If they need more of a reason to avoid these outcomes then sever, they're not worth the time. I understand being frustrated with the voting system since your voice is statistically insignificant but it really is your, unironic, patriotic duty to vote to help make the system work. Thing of it as a "participation tax". The taxes the IRS sucks from you every year sucks, and as an average goon you likely don't contribute much to the system. Yet despite everything the GOP and Tea Party shills and nutcases scream you do need pay your taxes for the system to work. Likewise, despite what the Republican shills scream your vote is important as part of the aggregate to keep the system working. If it wasn't, they wouldn't be trying so hard to make stupid voter suppression laws to keep themselves in power.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:41
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Chomp8645 posted:This is a productive attitude. It actually is a productive attitude. You should give up on the petulant whiners who refuse to vote and focus on people who aren't ideologically opposed to voting unless The Perfect Candidate is available. We don't need to give them a reason. The fact that this is a system where voting elects candidates is the reason. They clearly figure this out over time, because most people too lazy to vote at 20 are voting on the regular by 60, after voting pretty often around 40.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:42
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Grouchio posted:What should I tell my father who fears that Trump gets the anti-establishment vote and carries the election? He's your parent. You know what to do.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:42
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When logic and reason fail you go to shame and making fun of people. See also: antivaxxers and people who vote green.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:44
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Grouchio posted:What should I tell my father who fears that Trump gets the anti-establishment vote and carries the election? Tell him that deep down leftists want an establishment as much as right wingers actually desire big government He probably will carry the anti-establishment vote, but that's not a lot compared to what he'll have to lose to get it
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Mar 5, 2016 18:45
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DemeaninDemon posted:When logic and reason fail you go to shame and making fun of people. See also: antivaxxers and people who vote green. The second part is redundant.
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The Larch posted:The second part is redundant. Thanks joke-getter.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:46
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Grouchio posted:What should I tell my father who fears that Trump gets the anti-establishment vote and carries the election? Even in McDonalds at 3am, the customer is always right.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:47
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DemeaninDemon posted:Thanks joke-getter. A pleasure to be of service.
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PhazonLink posted:An earlier post(or maybe from the Feb thread) had a link to an article that said that the whole rightwing machine/network has done zero research into dirt on Tump while there's a couple of dem orgs silently working on it. That might explain a fair bit of why the others haven't been able or willing to attack Trump. They've been digging up dirt on each other and focus grouping about what can work and have no idea what to do about the new guy that won't burn them with his supporters.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:04
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The hatred posters in this thread have for the youth vote is amazing
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Mar 5, 2016 19:10
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Lessail posted:The hatred posters in this thread have for the youth vote is amazing A Poster: "how can we hate something that doesn't exist  "
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Mar 5, 2016 19:11
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Chomp8645 posted:A Poster: "how can we hate something that doesn't exist This except without a shred of irony.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:13
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:This except without a shred of irony. Wow so tough
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Mar 5, 2016 19:14
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Lessail posted:The hatred posters in this thread have for the youth vote is amazing Maybe you whiners should vote for once, instead of waiting til you turn 37.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:17
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Chomp8645 posted:This is a productive attitude. Why? Why would you move away from a solid reliable voting bloc in favor of one that one that *might* come out if we pander exclusively to it and do everything it wants? Though it is amusingly ironic that the group of voters who want everything for free also wants the political establishment to pay attention to them.... without doing any sort of minimal effort like voting.
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"Youth suck they've never vote so gently caress em" *President Trump is inaugurated* "Argh loving youths didn't turn up to vote against Trump, better ignore them even harder next election!" *Cycle continues into eternity*
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Mar 5, 2016 19:18
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Chomp8645 posted:Woah. Grouchio posted:What should I tell my father who fears that Trump gets the anti-establishment vote and carries the election? Doomtalker posted:He's your parent. You know what to do. quote:There's no hope for him now, Grouchio. He's suffering. You know we've got to do it.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:19
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Chomp8645 posted:"Youth suck they've never vote so gently caress em" Just lol if you think humanity is surviving a single year of president Trump.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:19
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fishmech posted:Maybe you whiners should vote for once, instead of waiting til you turn 37. Wow so tough
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Mar 5, 2016 19:20
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Chomp8645 posted:"Youth suck they've never vote so gently caress em" It's impossible to listen to people who refuse to make their voices heard. Young people who bother to vote don't get ignored.
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It's cool how this thread will go all "why do republican voters vote the way they do so we can try and get them to cross over" but the second the youth vote is brought up it's all "gently caress them"
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Chomp8645 posted:"Youth suck they've never vote so gently caress em" You think elections will be a thing in the Trumpenreich?
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