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the twitter of babel everyone speaking in one language: the hashtag we were not ready as a species
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My body is ready, my mind is open. Bring it on, I never wanted to keep my dignity anyway.UV_Catastrophe posted:True, but the whole "reactionaries vs. SJWs" nonsense is mostly a millenial version of the same old social issues we've always had. I'm betting the young people of today will probably carry that baggage into more mainstream avenues as they get older and more politically involved, and we'll only hear more and more about it.
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Mar 5, 2016 03:17
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:if idiots in marginally popular media sites everywhere would stop bringing up that stupid poo poo, instead of comparing it to major political candidates to draw in page views, it wouldnt be relevant, hth You seem triggered. Do you need a safe space?
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Mar 5, 2016 03:17
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rudatron posted:My body is ready, my mind is open. Bring it on, I never wanted to keep my dignity anyway. channers win they are the princes of trolling everyone for further info, please see #boycottstarwars Who What Now posted:You seem triggered. Do you need a safe space? i guess i shouldnt reveal the irony of using these now mainstream terms
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Mar 5, 2016 03:20
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UV_Catastrophe posted:Instead of pretending to care about religious morals, the social conservatives of tomorrow will pretend to care about ethics in video game journalism, etc etc. Trumpism is already the start of this shift basically, it shows that conservatives are moving on from gay marriage and abortion to a new anti-PC culture war. Here's an interesting article I read on this from a conservative perspective. http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/18/pitchfork-trump/ quote:Trump exists in a post-apocalyptic world for social conservatives, and he exists in it as an avowed secularist who gives off enough signals that he seems like an ally. So the culture war he fights in place of Buchanan’s is about political correctness, not abortion and gays. His secularism makes him difficult to balance against. The usual frame for greedy Republicans is that their faith makes them a hypocrite, but unlike other Bible thumpers, no one believes Trump has actually read the Bible.
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Mar 5, 2016 03:24
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MaxxBot posted:Trumpism is already the start of this shift basically, it shows that conservatives are moving on from gay marriage and abortion to a new anti-PC culture war. Here's an interesting article I read on this from a conservative perspective. yeah, this is probably/is the future of conservatism or at least american conservatism. shitheads like milo and trump have found the perfect vain to burrow into. outright religious bigotry has failed them so they try pick up on /pol/ and reddit for ideas.
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Mar 5, 2016 04:50
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FuzzySkinner posted:Cruz I see truly as someone who wants to make sure our country brings on Armageddon. Like if you do even the slightest bit of digging? That's literally it. That's what his father wants, that's what he wants. (see his obsession with Israel, and wanting to have wars over seas). An interesting counterpoint to this sort of thinking here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c4ec_story.html
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Mar 5, 2016 05:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-nuHKkEGLc Thom Hartmann has an excellent segment on the topic we're discussing.
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Mar 5, 2016 05:31
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Can we just go back to the part where that one dude corrected the other dude that used "hooting and hollerin" for racist speech? That didn't get enough attention and was pretty funny.
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Mar 5, 2016 06:03
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Never mind, this is a serious thread. I shouldn't monkey around like that.
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Mar 5, 2016 06:04
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lol u poz bro posted:Never mind, this is a serious thread. I shouldn't monkey around like that. look at this ape escape
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Mar 5, 2016 06:08
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"I'm only bigoted ironically. Trump 2016." - The New American Conservatism?
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Mar 5, 2016 06:45
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Mecha Gojira posted:"I'm only bigoted ironically. Trump 2016." - The New American Conservatism?
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Mar 5, 2016 06:54
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You know what feels sad and horrible to me? Poor white communities do have a lot of issues. But instead of organising to deal with it constructively and positively, around their specific 'poor working white' identity, and working with politicians around a chosen set of goals for them, they go for the daddy strongman Trump. It's exactly like the men who have genuine issues with rape of men, family courts, male victims of domestic abuse and whatnot, but turn to MRAs. I mean, Hillary probably has some specific set of plans for poor white communities, too. The plan for the West Virginia coal communities, for example. But if she's not met on the ground, unlike with the black communities, this will likely fail.
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Mar 5, 2016 06:55
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Hillary's plan for poor communities in general is to ignore them, regardless of what she says.
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Mar 5, 2016 07:31
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   That's how much black voters mean to Hillary. She was seen in the same room with them while stumping on the campaign trail. She said some nice words, nothing definitive in terms of a plan of action or even a strong stance. Notice how many donors she has from the financial institutions who preyed on the black community before the mortgage crisis, then successfully scapegoated that community to save their lavish bonuses? Or how much she got from the institutions behind the whitest Oscars ever, who defended their lack of diversity by saying they can't nominate people they won't cast? The oscars are actually the perfect metaphor for what's happening here. She's definitely going to gut welfare, maybe social security, and probably send troops overseas. She supports three strikes, drug prohibition, mandatory minimums, and private prisons. The financial sector will continue to widen the gap between the rich and the poor. She is the embodiment of a system that impoverishes, disenfranchises, and incarcerates black people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpAMbpQ8J7g&t=378s ("The worst slaveowners were those who were nice to their slaves.") E: Also, capitalism "with a human face" SlipUp fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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Mar 5, 2016 09:55
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SlipUp posted:She's definitely going to gut welfare, maybe social security I think you might be overstating things here.
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Mar 5, 2016 10:04
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meristem posted:You know what feels sad and horrible to me? Poor white communities do have a lot of issues. But instead of organising to deal with it constructively and positively, around their specific 'poor working white' identity, and working with politicians around a chosen set of goals for them, they go for the daddy strongman Trump. Trump is a racist rear end in a top hat, but this may be the first time that a lot of  "Gods and Gun" types are being forced to look what the political elites, wall street, banks and big business have done to our nation. For years they were always sold on it being just a "liberal" problem. Now? Uh...I don't think they believe that any more.We may hate the vessel, and a good portion of the message (as we should), but these people have been long used as pawns for the GOP in order pass agenda's that have destroyed a good portion of this country. It sucks, I cringe every time I have to hear him denigrate women and minorities. But I don't believe that the wing nut base was ever going to be sold on the above without those things being included in the package. Frankly I don't know if they ever would have had Trump not appeared on the scene. You think someone like Rubio or Cruz would be saying some of the poo poo Trump has been saying? Hell no. We'd be getting the same old GOP talking points, and not a bit of progress would have been made. Perhaps finally now that these people see that the "True believers" are all talk, no action and really are looking to gently caress over the average american? We can get things like Single Payer healthcare rolling for once. Fake edit: Let me clarify, I'm not saying TRUMP will deliver on that. He won't. We all know that. But perhaps it will pay off down the line for our country in the long run to reshape people's perspective on things. The conversation is key here. Perhaps this say, forces Hillary to go progressive in general during her Presidency.
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Mar 5, 2016 10:05
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Majorian posted:I think you might be overstating things here. Ever hear of the "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act" or "The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act"?
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Mar 5, 2016 10:13
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SlipUp posted:That's how much black voters mean to Hillary. She was seen in the same room with them while stumping on the campaign trail. She said some nice words, nothing definitive in terms of a plan of action or even a strong stance. Notice how many donors she has from the financial institutions who preyed on the black community before the mortgage crisis, then successfully scapegoated that community to save their lavish bonuses? Or how much she got from the institutions behind the whitest Oscars ever, who defended their lack of diversity by saying they can't nominate people they won't cast? The oscars are actually the perfect metaphor for what's happening here. A worthwhile post, but it's black voters you've got to convince, because the limited evidence suggests they prefer Hillary to anyone else. If it came down to Hillary and Trump, it's a choice between all that bad poo poo you just listed and someone whose views are relatively unknown but includes "BLM is a bunch of troublemakers", sucking up to cops constantly, and race baiting (race baiting is never good for blacks even if the attacks are on other nonwhite races, and most realize this). Also, he has a good chance of being pulled to the right on both economics and social issues by a house full of Republicans with an even worse proven track record than Hillary. On the other hand, he did say he wants drugs legalized and regulated in a 2000 book!! It's not that hard to understand why even a clued-up black voter who knows all this would sooner cast a ballot for the lesser evil than vote Republican or do something else. FuzzySkinner posted:Perhaps finally now that these people see that the "True believers" are all talk, no action and really are looking to gently caress over the average american? We can get things like Single Payer healthcare rolling for once. This would be pretty good. Let's hope that they don't all have a really short memory/get manipulated back through platitudes about "job creators"/see a Trump failure as a reason to say "we put our faith in populism and it got us nowhere."
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Mar 5, 2016 10:48
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FuzzySkinner posted:Perhaps finally now that these people see that the "True believers" are all talk, no action and really are looking to gently caress over the average american? We can get things like Single Payer healthcare rolling for once.
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Mar 5, 2016 14:28
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meristem posted:Like I said in the USPol thread, I think it will result in an increase of right-wing domestic terrorism instead. The most important thing for Trump's people seems to be 'gently caress the society, gently caress political correctness'. They are not big on compromise. We've already seen a rise in that with recent mass shootings and, more brazenly, the antics of the Bundy Clan. If and when Trump fails, I expect to see a lot more since he has emboldened groups like the KKK and stoked xenophobia. The question remains if it will be bad enough that even congress would have to admit it's happening.
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Mar 5, 2016 14:42
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"Right-Wing Populism: Why now?" Because uneducated, superstitious racists are particularly susceptible to hate-speech and propaganda after 8 years under an African American, democratic president. The same reason that evangelism is flooding school board elections in the south. They are trying to protect their lovely, dying 'way of life.' (In spite of the fact that his policies were not too terribly different than the warhawking shitheel that preceded him and enjoyed wide support under the same demographic.)
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Mar 5, 2016 14:59
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LeeMajors posted:"Right-Wing Populism: Why now?" I voted for Obama, but i'm ready for Trump now that I am forced to pay the same for healthcare as a 60 year old, under penalty of law. Looking at $200 a month health insurance policies that don't really cover anything is certainly enough to redpill you on Obama. Also, Trump's foreign policy is also way better than Obama or Bush: let other countries handle their own business, don't get involved in military adventurism, and try to make deals whenever possible.
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Mar 5, 2016 15:38
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on the left posted:I voted for Obama, but i'm ready for Trump now that I am forced to pay the same for healthcare as a 60 year old, under penalty of law. Looking at $200 a month health insurance policies that don't really cover anything is certainly enough to redpill you on Obama. Also, Trump's foreign policy is also way better than Obama or Bush: let other countries handle their own business, don't get involved in military adventurism, and try to make deals whenever possible. You said redpill.
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Mar 5, 2016 15:45
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SlipUp posted:Ever hear of the "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act" or "The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act"? Lots of black folks have heard of that, and yet still seem to be voting for Hillary. Why do you think that is? It's almost as if times have changed since the early 1990s! Hell, not even the 1990s were your 1990s: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/black-incarceration-didnt-explode-under-1994-crime-bill There are lots legit of reasons to dislike Hillary. Hating her on behalf of black people everywhere is not one of them. quote:She's definitely going to gut welfare, maybe social security, Wait, you brought up the those bills to show Hillary was going to cut entitlements?! 
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Mar 5, 2016 15:49
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Why do people keep talking like Hilary has already won and it's gonna be Clinton v Trump in November? Yes, Trump's pretty much going to run away with this poo poo. Hilary isn't that far ahead, super delegates aside, and Bernie didn't count on wining any of the Super Tuesday states outside of Vermont...
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Mar 5, 2016 16:21
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Chilichimp posted:Why do people keep talking like Hilary has already won and it's gonna be Clinton v Trump in November? Hillary won very big in a big state, and Bernie is going to have to do similar to catch up. From all the polling, it doesn't appear he's going to do that. And that's a big lie. He specifically focused his efforts so he'd win in Massachusetts, Colorado, Minnesota, Oklahoma, and Vermont. And guess what, outside of Mass he did just that!
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Mar 5, 2016 16:24
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FuzzySkinner posted:It sucks, I cringe every time I have to hear him denigrate women and minorities. But I don't believe that the wing nut base was ever going to be sold on the above without those things being included in the package. Frankly I don't know if they ever would have had Trump not appeared on the scene. You think someone like Rubio or Cruz would be saying some of the poo poo Trump has been saying? Hell no. We'd be getting the same old GOP talking points, and not a bit of progress would have been made. After the dust settles from the 2016 election, the real question will be whether or not the Trump faction can be cajoled and brought back into supporting normal GOP candidates again in the future. Once they've had a taste of The Donald and his straight supply of Tellin' It Like It Is, I don't know how you go back to supporting the Mitt Romney's of the world and remain excited about that. But as far as something like single payer healthcare, I don't think white working class communities are going to ever vote in large numbers for the party of minorities and open socialists. I just don't see that happening in our lifetimes. And as for the republican party, even if the Trump faction wins the struggle for the soul of the GOP, the moneyed elites that currently run the party will never, ever, not in a million years, allow a party plank consisting of something like socialized medicine. It runs counter to oligarch DNA. I think they would sooner splinter the republican party rather than accept an attempt to liberalize their economic agenda, even a little bit. The best hope for the white working class is for the republican coalition to blow up into smithereens so that the democrats can revive our social institutions and drag poor white communities kicking and screaming into economic prosperity against their own will.
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Mar 5, 2016 16:37
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computer parts posted:Hillary won very big in a big state, and Bernie is going to have to do similar to catch up. From all the polling, it doesn't appear he's going to do that. I didn't say he wasn't fighting for the states that he could take, I said his campaign wasn't counting on winning them. But yes, he's expecting to win big in Cali to make-up for the Texas thumping... of course it will be more difficult if everyone keeps talking like Hilary has already won.
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Mar 5, 2016 16:49
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Chilichimp posted:I didn't say he wasn't fighting for the states that he could take, I said his campaign wasn't counting on winning them. But yes, he's expecting to win big in Cali to make-up for the Texas thumping... of course it will be more difficult if everyone keeps talking like Hilary has already won. California's polling has been virtually unchanged in the past 3 months, which if the trend continues has Bernie losing by 10 points. Like remember it's not enough to lose by a little or to just squeak by, he's got to win California 65-35. That's not going to happen.
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Mar 5, 2016 16:51
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UV_Catastrophe posted:After the dust settles from the 2016 election, the real question will be whether or not the Trump faction can be cajoled and brought back into supporting normal GOP candidates again in the future. Once they've had a taste of The Donald and his straight supply of Tellin' It Like It Is, I don't know how you go back to supporting the Mitt Romney's of the world and remain excited about that. I would very much love to see the Republicans completely self-destruct this time, but I'm not sure if that will happen. Their voters seem to unite mostly in pure hatred of the "other", so assuming a democrat win in November, they'll likely latch on to any chance they have to oust the dreaded "liberal" liar woman. The establishment could win them back, but they'd have to escalate their intolerance and bullying to seem more appealing after Angry Dad Trump's wake passes. There will be a point of total rebellion before that, in which I'm expecting a good amount of extremism that could very well become organized and violent. Like the Bundy's, but possibly worse. They will still be courted, however, since the Republicans have seen how effective they can be as a voting block despite it all. If the Democrats do win again, they'll likely face more opposition than ever in the House as the Tea Party types try even harder to prove that they are still relevant to the rebelling base.
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Mar 5, 2016 17:14
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Geostomp posted:I would very much love to see the Republicans completely self-destruct this time, but I'm not sure if that will happen. Their voters seem to unite mostly in pure hatred of the "other", so assuming a democrat win in November, they'll likely latch on to any chance they have to oust the dreaded "liberal" liar woman. The establishment could win them back, but they'd have to escalate their intolerance and bullying to seem more appealing after Angry Dad Trump's wake passes. There will be a point of total rebellion before that, in which I'm expecting a good amount of extremism that could very well become organized and violent. Like the Bundy's, but possibly worse. They will still be courted, however, since the Republicans have seen how effective they can be as a voting block despite it all. I know many of my conservative relatives at least on my moms side arnt voting if trump/cruz wins the nom. none of them like Hilary or sanders either. so they prefer to stay home. I think many moderate conservatives will too.
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Mar 5, 2016 17:24
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I know many of my conservative relatives at least on my moms side arnt voting if trump/cruz wins the nom. none of them like Hilary or sanders either. so they prefer to stay home. I think many moderate conservatives will too. And that's the real wildcard factor in this election. If conservatives start staying home, bad things are going to happen for the GOP.
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Mar 5, 2016 17:42
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Weldon Pemberton posted:A worthwhile post, but it's black voters you've got to convince, because the limited evidence suggests they prefer Hillary to anyone else. If it came down to Hillary and Trump, it's a choice between all that bad poo poo you just listed and someone whose views are relatively unknown but includes "BLM is a bunch of troublemakers", sucking up to cops constantly, and race baiting (race baiting is never good for blacks even if the attacks are on other nonwhite races, and most realize this). Also, he has a good chance of being pulled to the right on both economics and social issues by a house full of Republicans with an even worse proven track record than Hillary. On the other hand, he did say he wants drugs legalized and regulated in a 2000 book!! It's not that hard to understand why even a clued-up black voter who knows all this would sooner cast a ballot for the lesser evil than vote Republican or do something else. If Trump was going to go even harder right, he would do it during the primary. I'm not saying black people should vote for Trump, either candidate would be equally as bad. Sarcastr0 posted:Lots of black folks have heard of that, and yet still seem to be voting for Hillary. Black people are equally capable as white people of voting against their interest as long as a candidate says the right things. quote:It's almost as if times have changed since the early 1990s! Not dwelling on the fact 96 is not the early 90s, things certainly have changed. The republican party is even more extremist and has been in control of the house basically since 2010 because progressives voted a progessive president in 08 and spent the next 3 elections patting themselves on the back. quote:Hell, not even the 1990s were your 1990s: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/black-incarceration-didnt-explode-under-1994-crime-bill The 94 bill was brought up as an example of Hillary's anti progressive stance, not the sole reason for a spike, and there is a preponderance of evidence it did have a negative effect despite the opinions of one partisan blogger. The graphic is also misleading, incarceration spiked in 2000, just a few years after the bill and dropped substantially after 9/11 when Islamophobia became the prejudice du jour, and just stops, missing more than a decade of data. What it did for sure was institute the death penalty for 60 new crimes, boot camps for youth, mandatory drug testing, and three strikes among others. quote:There are lots legit of reasons to dislike Hillary. Hating her on behalf of black people everywhere is not one of them. I don't hate her on behalf of black people, I hate her because I'm a progressive. How black people vote does not influence my views on the best candidate for progressive causes. All black people are not all progressive! quote:Wait, you brought up the those bills to show Hillary was going to cut entitlements?! The explicit purpose of the PRWORA was to cut welfare as an entitlement! indeed.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:35
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UV_Catastrophe posted:And as for the republican party, even if the Trump faction wins the struggle for the soul of the GOP, the moneyed elites that currently run the party will never, ever, not in a million years, allow a party plank consisting of something like socialized medicine. It runs counter to oligarch DNA. I think they would sooner splinter the republican party rather than accept an attempt to liberalize their economic agenda, even a little bit. I'm not saying that he would but if Trump (or the future leader of the Trump faction) proposed something like Medicare For All but they framed it as a way to fix the VHA and renamed it Tricare For All, I think they could get it done. Using the troops as a political shield would be enough to make most of the moneyed elite bite their tongues. computer parts posted:And that's the real wildcard factor in this election. If conservatives start staying home, bad things are going to happen for the GOP. It's not. Once Hillary becomes the official candidate, it's going to galvanize people from all walks to vote not-Hillary. Same thing's going to happen to Trump but in much smaller numbers (since most scared liberals are already voting for Hillary as not-Republican and former Bernie supporters won't scare as easily)
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Mar 5, 2016 19:03
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Hillary is well liked among Democrats, so they're not going to vote against her.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:31
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computer parts posted:Hillary is well liked among Democrats, so they're not going to vote against her. To further explicate this: not only are most Democrats going to vote for her, the vast majority of African Americans and likely the majority of Hispanics will want to vote for her as well - and not just because those two groups lean Democratic anyway. Hillary has an extensive rapport with the African-American community and Trump has done more to alienate the Hispanic community than he has with blacks!
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Mar 5, 2016 19:36
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Who What Now posted:You don't have the opportunity to defend your beliefs at a lecture or speech, genius. Those aren't debates. I went to an Ann Coulter appearance at South Carolina about 12 years ago the day there was that big kerfluffle about those burned corpses strung up on a bridge in Iraq and the most important thing I learned was there are very good reasons TV never, ever, ever shows that woman below the waist.
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computer parts posted:And that's the real wildcard factor in this election. If conservatives start staying home, bad things are going to happen for the GOP. I think a decent amount of moderate conservatives are. trump is a nut and so is cruz. rubio is weak and hosed. they dont like hillary a ton of reasons and sanders is leftist who will raise the gently caress out of their taxes. every moderate conservative i know isnt voting.
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