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Germstore posted:First gen i* processors hold up really well because of the lack of progress made in the last few years.  Derp
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Mar 4, 2016 18:40
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My initial reaction is at least the TDP is probably lower, but it is actually a couple watts higher.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:49
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Thing is, you just often really don't need that extra performance they have. The most interesting thing in fact is the lower power consumption in many cases. I had a first gen i7 as desktop until about two months ago. I was pretty happy with it until I exchanged it. I wanted to run windows in a VM with VGA-Passthrough and just wanted a bit more oomph for that, else I wouldn't even have bothered. I had that thing for about six years.
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Mar 4, 2016 19:02
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it's weird to think that my i5-3570k has lasted ~4 years at this point and will most likely last for 2-3 more, when if i looked at CPUs 4 years after my Pentium 4, i'd be lightyears behind in speed
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Mar 4, 2016 19:12
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It's really annoying, I think a huge part of the blame lies with ARM for stealing the mass market through tablets and phones. Intel is sitting pretty on a slowly dwindling desktop PC CPU market and AMD is in the dumps  Fingers crossed we will see some substantial jumps this year, but I'm not getting my hopes up. At least graphics cards performance is stil progressing at a good pace...
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Mar 4, 2016 19:16
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Speaking for myself, I'm perfectly fine with not buying a computer for several grand which is hopelessly outdated ten months later, thank you. Only thing I'd really like to see now is dedicated graphics cards which are actually useable for high-end stuff getting more economical regarding power usage, so I don't see my power consumption jump almost sevenfold when I play some game. That poo poo is crazy. Some CPUs could also use some work there, they like to cite idle power consumption but idle means often the computer might as well be off.
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Mar 4, 2016 19:24
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It's mostly just hard to turn more transistors into more performance for various reasons. Even intel, who historically doesn't give much of a poo poo about integrated graphics performance, is throwing a lot of transistors into graphics because they wouldn't be able to power the chips if all the space was CPU cores.
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Mar 4, 2016 19:35
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an AOL chatroom posted:I'm at a conference in San Antonio this week, and got to hear a session presented by an 18 year old who bought an IBM z890 mainframe for $237. Lucky kid, one day he's gonna get married and his wife won't let him buy toys like that.
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Mar 5, 2016 04:04
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an AOL chatroom posted:I'm at a conference in San Antonio this week, and got to hear a session presented by an 18 year old who bought an IBM z890 mainframe for $237. The reaction from a packed room full of mainframers hearing someone say "Yeah, so I read some books on IOCDS and figured out how to write mine that weekend" was pretty amazing. I've been working with mainframes for 15 years now, and it's still a black magic to me. I once got a Burroughs B90 mainframe, a tape drive, and like 3 or 4 serial terminals from a dude who had em all just sitting in his garage after a big decommissioning job he did. I totally thought I could get it going and put some kind of lunix on it (it was Z80 based). It weighed approximately a million pounds, was as big as a dishwasher (half of which was the giant hard drive), and made my 2nd floor apartment floor visibly sink underneath it. Fully expected to come home and find a hole in my floor, and angry downstairs neighbors cussing me out. I never did get it running. It apparently ran on either 220V or 3-phase or something I obviously didn't have in my lovely little apartment. Eventually, a buddy of mine came over and we carefully rolled it down the stairs with much grunting and building-shaking thuds. He managed to get it to fire up for about 10 seconds before blowing the fuse to the circuit. The lesson I learned: Even free is too much to pay for a used, out-dated mainframe unless you have a very specific use for it.
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Mar 5, 2016 04:36
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woodch posted:I once got a Burroughs B90 mainframe, a tape drive, and like 3 or 4 serial terminals from a dude who had em all just sitting in his garage after a big decommissioning job he did. I totally thought I could get it going and put some kind of lunix on it (it was Z80 based). It weighed approximately a million pounds, was as big as a dishwasher (half of which was the giant hard drive), and made my 2nd floor apartment floor visibly sink underneath it. Fully expected to come home and find a hole in my floor, and angry downstairs neighbors cussing me out. In the early 80s, I cut my programming teeth on three Applied Digital Data Systems (ADDS) Mentor 4000 minis (sorry, only image I could find):  It was the size of a refrigerator, produced enough heat to heat a room, and if you didn't lock down the casters, the sheer inertia from the dual Priam 15450 HDs would have the system unit doing the Macarena across the floor during a big database select. It was based on the Zilog Z-80 processor, with a whopping 512K of memory (which was still referred to as "core memory" in the docs), and would handle 16 dumb terminal users. It ran the ADDS variant of the PICK operating system called Mentor/OS. When we upgraded, I ended up with all three of them, and had to rent a straight truck to move them. The Priam drives were notoriously sensitive to rough handling, and even after using the dual mechanical spindle and head locking mechanism on each drive, I ended up losing two of them after the move which left me with two good drives which I installed into one system unit. I was able to bring one of them up perfectly, and hung onto it for quite a while. It was a good computer.
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Mar 5, 2016 05:21
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Mar 5, 2016 05:57
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I've lusted after this poster series ever since I saw them in an IBM research department almost a decade ago.
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Mar 5, 2016 06:11
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woodch posted:The lesson I learned: Even free is too much to pay for a used, out-dated mainframe unless you have a very specific use for it. As a machine, yeah... it's pretty old, it's a fairly low-end config to begin with, and he's having trouble finding real storage for it. A vendor is letting him try out a disk emulation machine, but he's after something more serious. *That's* going to be what blows the circuit breaker on his parents house. One of his "lessons learned" was that a 1500 lb mainframe will move itself if your floor isn't perfectly flat. Guess how he learned the basement floor was graded towards the corner with the sump pump. Right now, it's just running Suse Linux, but a bunch of people were trying to get him hooked up with z/OS, z/VM and z/TPF so he could play around with those as well. Mainframes are awesome, I really wish it was easier for people with a curious interest to get access to them.
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Mar 5, 2016 06:44
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nigga crab pollock posted:these are all things that people seemingly must learn for themselves because people always ask me for advice "because you are computer guy", i tell em basically that, and they ignore it I once blew my friend's mind when I asked him "when was the last time your laptop was actually on your lap, not on your desk?" A lot of people get laptops, even desktop replacement laptops for gaming, to be "on the go" even though they're not going anywhere. It wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't because you pay a significant premium for laptops vs. Desktops.
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Mar 5, 2016 07:06
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Pham Nuwen posted:I've lusted after this poster series ever since I saw them in an IBM research department almost a decade ago. This poster was on the wall of a lab I think in high school. I had no idea what any of it meant. Then we had it on the wall of a lab at college, and for a brief period it made sense.
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Mar 5, 2016 07:10
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Non Serviam posted:I once blew my friend's mind when I asked him "when was the last time your laptop was actually on your lap, not on your desk?" I used to have a "desktop replacement" laptop when I worked on cargo ships. It makes senses if you move it once a month and can't carry a desktop for whatever reason. It's the only reason. They're still poo poo laptops. Eight years later and I still cringe whenever I think of how much I paid for that thing.
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Mar 5, 2016 12:56
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I thought gaming laptops were for people who needed a portable for things like school and classes but also wanted a computer that would be decent for games when they are at home but can't afford two computers. Like college students. Or for people that maintain 2 residences like college students or kids that live with each separated parent part time. I never thought they were actually for "gaming on the go" and figured when they are on the desk at home they are plugged in and the power profile turned up to max performance and when they aren't plugged in the power profile would be on low power max battery. These are a lot of assumptions and I've never owned one so I have no idea if the power management on those machines is effective if used like I lay out above. GutBomb has a new favorite as of 14:18 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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Mar 5, 2016 14:15
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For the price of a half way decent gaming laptop you can buy both a good laptop and gaming pc, and you'll have a better experience with both.
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Mar 5, 2016 14:24
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If you don't need the high mobility Laptops just aren't necessary. It's that easy. You can also put together incredibly cheap (and admittedly, low powered but even sometimes fanless) mITX machines for a lot less than what an entry-level notebook would cost. (if you're willing to browse ebay etc. they might get even cheaper and have a lot less risk of being half-destroyed garbage like used laptops off ebay often are) If we're only talking about the computer itself and not the screen etc. these are also very light, small and good to transport if you get a tiny case. Might be an idea if you know you're just going between like two places (and then stay at them for extended periods of time) and have things like TVs/Screens and a keyboard stowed away and ready at both. Sounds overtly complicated but I'm sure such scenarios are actually pretty common. Of course they're not for taking to class or whatever, but hey!
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Mar 5, 2016 14:34
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Germstore posted:For the price of a half way decent gaming laptop you can buy both a good laptop and gaming pc, and you'll have a better experience with both. this is the key to computing success. got a big fucker of a desktop, and the most basic laptop lenovo has to offer. the dream team
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Mar 5, 2016 17:37
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I just picked up a 17 inch gaming laptop. Heavy as hell, but I'd recommend it to anyone who want a bit of portability and still have playable games
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Mar 5, 2016 17:51
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I bought a gaming laptop when I was traveling a lot for work and that's basically the perfect niche for one except 2 months later the travel budget got demolished and I didn't get to travel anywhere for 2 years lol whoops
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Mar 5, 2016 18:09
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I have a 15 inch gaming laptop. It's not really that heavy. I pack it up and bring it to school almost every day. My first laptop lasted me from 2007 to when I bought this one in 2014. My desktop is from 2009 and is still going strong after upgrading the graphics card a couple of times. Makes more sense to me than buying a cheap piece of poo poo every couple of years.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:25
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I've wondered how viable carrying around a tiny desktop computer would be for people who travel for work or are couch surfing, since HDTVs with HDMI inputs that you can use as a display are ubiquitous these days. I could see a suitcase form factor computer with a keyboard that clips to the side like an old timey portable computer actually being useful.
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Mar 5, 2016 20:42
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:I've wondered how viable carrying around a tiny desktop computer would be for people who travel for work or are couch surfing, since HDTVs with HDMI inputs that you can use as a display are ubiquitous these days. I could see a suitcase form factor computer with a keyboard that clips to the side like an old timey portable computer actually being useful.
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Mar 5, 2016 20:51
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Hello I am here to post about months-old things but mostly helpfully answering questions OK sorryMr_Angry posted:Back before mp3s and downloadable music became a thing, those of us with our SoundBlaster 16s were rocking out to music from Mod4Win, which for its time was pretty drat awesome. One of the few things I actually paid some money for and to this day I'm kind of sad that I never backed up my library of .MOD files as some of them were pretty good. Here's a screenshot of said product (this shows it running on Vista but I was using this back in the days of Windows 3.1): But...if you want to remember some names of tunes, go get them back yourself in .MP3 format if they happen to be one of the 127,312 tracks that Stone Oakvalley has already converted for you: http://se2a1.bigbox.info/soamc/index.php Humphreys posted:Never heard it before but wow that is a good tune. Will admit I spent a good chunk of time trying to find a proper version thinking it was just a remake of a song. blowfish posted:can I buy all of these PRESIDENT GOKU posted:Best Buy catalog from 1996. Pretty neat. Buttcoin purse posted:Any ISDN? nigga crab pollock posted:100gb is more than enough for whatever poo poo you have. its more than enough for my poo poo and i am a loving nerd. buy a $20 flash drive for your 30gb music collection if you must, its more fail-secure than just putting all your poo poo on your main drive anyways Non Serviam posted:I once blew my friend's mind when I asked him "when was the last time your laptop was actually on your lap, not on your desk?"  Also that Tandy 1000 cat from a couple months ago is beautiful. And probably long-dead ;(
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Mar 5, 2016 20:57
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Casimir Radon posted:The problem with that is a lot of hotels go out of their way to lock you out of plugging your own devices to their tvs. Not Always  I forget where this is from though...
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Mar 5, 2016 21:00
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As long as they aren't physically blocking the ports, you can probably just get around it with a phone with an IR blaster or universal remote. I had to do that Wednesday night when I thought SAP was enabled on the TV. They had disabled all buttons on the TV except power, and the remote's menu button was disabled. In the end it turned out they were just only carrying Spanish feeds of some of the channels for some reason (maybe Cleveland has a huge Spanish speaking population I'm unaware of).
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Mar 5, 2016 21:18
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Vanagoon posted:Not Always Looks like a Hyatt.
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Mar 5, 2016 21:29
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I use a Lenovo ThinkPad at the office because I can take it home/anywhere if necessary. At home I have desktop for gaming that I originally bought as individual components and assembled sometime in the late 90ies. Ever since I have been upgrading parts whenever necessary. Of course, there is none of the original parts in there any more, the oldest part being the case from ~2000. Which will go next. It is just too big. If you are halfway capable, there is no need to ever buy a complete desktop system. Sourcing your own stuff is almost always cheaper and you don't have to compromise. Though I hear from friends that may be considerably more difficult in the US than in Germany.
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Mar 5, 2016 23:23
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Vanagoon posted:Not Always
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Casimir Radon posted:The problem with that is a lot of hotels go out of their way to lock you out of plugging your own devices to their tvs. One reason hotel TVs (at least around here) don't really have standard inputs is that they're less likely to get stolen.
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Mar 5, 2016 23:29
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Hopper posted:At home I have desktop for gaming that I originally bought as individual components and assembled sometime in the late 90ies. Ever since I have been upgrading parts whenever necessary. Of course, there is none of the original parts in there any more, the oldest part being the case from ~2000. This is a philosophical thought experiment known as the Gaming Rig of Theseus
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Mar 5, 2016 23:29
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Hopper posted:Though I hear from friends that may be considerably more difficult in the US than in Germany. With Newegg, Amazon, fry's, and microcenter it's just as easy to do in the states. Up until recently my living room gaming/htpc was a PC that I'd built originally in 2007 that I kept replacing parts in to keep it modern.
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Mar 5, 2016 23:33
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Hopper posted:I use a Lenovo ThinkPad at the office because I can take it home/anywhere if necessary. Are you kidding? The US is the holy grail of building your own PC since the marketplace is more competitive and the VAT much lesser than anywhere in Europe.
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Mar 5, 2016 23:37
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I just picked this up: Not only is it complete (even with reams of perforated paper and address labels), but the printer even has the original ribbon in the box.
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Mar 5, 2016 23:38
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steinrokkan posted:Are you kidding? The US is the holy grail of building your own PC since the marketplace is more competitive and the VAT much lesser than anywhere in Europe. My friend moved to New York and asked me for PC building advice for her son. When I suggest components she had major problems sourcing parts in stores or find competent help. Over here, you can just walk into town and there are several stores that sell hardware components at the same price as you can get them online. And I am not talking Best buy or whatever but small specialised hardware stores that have actually knowledgeable guys in them not some sales people who don't know computers. (We have those stores, too, the big chains where you can only buy "consumer models" i.e. non-height adjustable monitors with trendy frame colours and glossy panels and overpriced complete systems). Maybe she was in the wrong part of town though?
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Mar 6, 2016 00:10
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A lot of places in the US you are stuck with online retailers, but shipping is cheap or free and fast and RMAs are largely painless. The only real downside is if money is tight you may have to wait for an RMA before buying a replacement part, but I've built three systems and only had one RMA.
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I guess it's just a matter of knowing the right place to shop, but ultimately I guarantee you that you can build the same computer in the US cheaper than in Germany, regardless of if you use online retailers (I don't know why that would be a bad option, it's not like you are going to be able to examine the quality of the Intel processor you are buying).
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