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Glad I can see this. Super Stoked that 60s Bat is making an appearance in the races, because even though I wasn't born until '90 I grew up with 60s Batman being a big thing in my life.
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Kurieg posted:I think that's because whoever wrote Origin's Joker fundamentally misunderstood the way the joker worked in The Dark Knight. Ledger's joker really didn't care about Batman specifically, he wanted to prove that everyone was scum, that deep down everyone was corruptable, and if he managed to bring Batman down to his level it would plunge Gotham into chaos. You got a sense that the Joker existed prior to Batman and would have gone on doing poo poo after him. But Origin's Joker seemed to congeal fully formed around one idea "I will get Batman to kill someone." and then forced the plot to also revolve around that point. Joker in Origins initially didn't care at all about batman outside of the fact that he was an obstacle to his plans. His obsession with Batman and his attempts to get him to break his rule only begins after Batman saves Joker at the hotel.
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Mar 6, 2016 11:12
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Yeah, Joker in Origins was all "Woo, blowing up stuff is great." for most of the game. It wasn't until the second fight with Bane that he even brought up trying to get Batman to kill someone, and that's literally the last 15 minutes of the game's main plot.
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Dimebags Brain posted:Joker in Origins initially didn't care at all about batman outside of the fact that he was an obstacle to his plans. His obsession with Batman and his attempts to get him to break his rule only begins after Batman saves Joker at the hotel. Yep, Joker's interest in Batman starts with Batman saving Joker's life, even after Joker has killed countless people already. The cutscene where Joker is baffled and angry about being saved, where he has a perfect chance to shoot Batman in the head but doesn't because his obsession has just begun, that is my favorite cutscene of this entire game series. I don't like that Joker invaded the plot of Origins when we were promised a Black Mask story, but to their credit, they did Joker very well.
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Mar 6, 2016 16:31
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CuwiKhons posted:to their credit, they did Joker very well.
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CuwiKhons posted:Yep, Joker's interest in Batman starts with Batman saving Joker's life, even after Joker has killed countless people already. The cutscene where Joker is baffled and angry about being saved, where he has a perfect chance to shoot Batman in the head but doesn't because his obsession has just begun, that is my favorite cutscene of this entire game series. I don't like that Joker invaded the plot of Origins when we were promised a Black Mask story, but to their credit, they did Joker very well. Bah, that's what I get for posting without double-checking. Ignore me then, I still hate Origins.
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Mar 6, 2016 17:26
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If we're still sharing Batman Vs Batman Videos, I wish this was in higher quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlCXo_Cl8EA
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Mar 6, 2016 18:19
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Good news! Joker is explained! Poorly! And I continue to be absolutely thrilled by the predictions I'm seeing in this thread. Trouble In Bat-Paradise/PolsyNew profile(s): Joker, Christina Bell, Albert King, Johnny Charisma, Henry Adams New stories: Cargo Race 5: 1989 - Cobblepot's Causeway/Polsy Also I just want to take a moment to quote something from the Arkham Origins thread, because reading it in hindsight is kinda funny. thetrueoskar posted:I wonder how they're going to bring Joker back for it THIS time. since as far as I know, it's after City chronologically? I've narrowed it down to three possibilities in ascending badness (since we all know they're going to bring him back):
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Mar 6, 2016 18:24
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So people in the thread ragged on Joker being back but I like him returning in this capacity. I'm looking forward to seeing if Batman gets a little bit crazier as the game goes on and starts talking to him. And I'm enjoying that some of the billboards are changing to show Joker's face. That's a nice touch.
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Mar 6, 2016 18:50
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Well, it worked for Baltar and Caprica Six in BSG so why wouldn't it work for the Batman? Battling your demons and all that. Helps build character (literally!).
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Mar 6, 2016 18:56
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Mark Hamill, you make everything better.
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Mar 6, 2016 19:05
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I guess I'm fine with Joker in this capacity, but the whole Joker blood thing makes me worried that he's gonna end up monopolizing the story again.
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Mar 6, 2016 19:31
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JT Jag posted:Due to exposure to super-fear-toxin Batman is gonna end up with Joker hallucinations for the entire rest of the game isn't he
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Mar 6, 2016 19:41
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I love the hallucination effects in AK. The Killing Joke flashback shifting around you as you turned the camera was perfect. The subtle changes, like the billboard at the end, are great too.
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Mar 6, 2016 19:45
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I have a few issues with this plot device meant to bring the Joker back. Mainly because: 1. Why did they even need to do the Joker blood angle to begin with? What was wrong with Batman just getting gassed by Scarecrow throughout the game and Joker just tagging along with Batman and taunting him from his psyche? I mean City ended with Batman feeling guilty about Joker's death and Batman is noted to be extremely obsessive, so that wouldn't have even been a stretch. 2. This retcons things from Arkham City to make less sense, if I understand correctly. So, instead of everyone dying from Joker's Titan poisoning, which apparently should have killed a ton of people given that everyone and their grandmother decided to get a blood transfusion on the night of Arkham City, they're all fine now. Except for the ones turning into the Joker. Which is only five people out of the dozens upon dozens upon dozens that were mentioned to have been suffering from the effects in the previous game. How did they even cure the Titan poisoning for these people? Ra's disappeared, so they couldn't have gotten more blood to make another of Mr. Freeze's miracle cure's. 3. The Joker himself is no longer a villain. I mean everyone who comes into contact with Joker's blood begins to act erratic and unlike themselves, right? So, I guess that the guy who originally became the Joker is a victim of that effect, too. So, now, instead of the Joker being an awful villain, he's just as much of a person who was affected by the blood as these four people who are quarantined. But we're still supposed to hate him, because... That being said, Joker hallucination following Batman around and loving with him all night is good stuff. It's like he's a co-LPer!
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JT Jag posted:I promise, I came into this LP blind and this was just a guess Was kind of obvious really, I can't really recall too many surprise twists in the series as a whole anyway (the very first Scarecrow gas sequence in Asylum maybe?). Some little bits not shown off, if you zoom in on Joker's ball cap in that hallucination it's helpfully labeled "Flash Back", also I seem to recall he has some remarks about when he "had to share bad news about Barbara to Gordon" if you stand there long enough before talking to Gordon in the police station. Anyway, predictable and badly justified or not, I rather like how Joker was portrayed in this one, it's almost like having your own (extremely hosed up) Let's Play commentary going through the whole thing sometimes. That and they have a lot of fun with it, Scruffy showed off how the signs randomly change for one.
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MadDogMike posted:Anyway, predictable and badly justified or not, I rather like how Joker was portrayed in this one, it's almost like having your own (extremely hosed up) Let's Play commentary going through the whole thing sometimes. That and they have a lot of fun with it, Scruffy showed off how the signs randomly change for one. Plus he gets a couple of actually funny lines this time around. We already had one with the napalm enema. This game generally treats the villains pretty well, one returning frenemy aside.
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I mean on one hand, the joker through fear toxin thing is stupid; on the other, he's stealing the show so far.anilEhilated posted:Yeah, there's a lot of details. I love how Joker acts as Batman's incredibly snarky conscience - if he was written like that all the time, I wouldn't be so goddamn sick of him in all three previous games. The delivery on, "Seriously, I was aiming for her head!" Made that line pretty drat funny too.
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Mar 6, 2016 20:12
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I don't like THAT the Joker is here, but I like HOW he's here.
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anilEhilated posted:Yeah, there's a lot of details. I love how Joker acts as Batman's incredibly snarky conscience - if he was written like that all the time, I wouldn't be so goddamn sick of him in all three previous games. The Joker in this game seems very similar The Watcher from Darksiders, which is of course also a great performance by Mark Hamill.
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So yeah the Joker thing is this game seems to be a result of Joker blood and Fear toxin.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I have a few issues with this plot device meant to bring the Joker back. Mainly because: The argument could be made that Batman has enough mental training and sheer willpower to overcome the fear gas by itself, but coupled with the Joker Blood it's able to over power him. Maybe we'll get more info later in game. quote:2. This retcons things from Arkham City to make less sense, if I understand correctly. So, instead of everyone dying from Joker's Titan poisoning, which apparently should have killed a ton of people given that everyone and their grandmother decided to get a blood transfusion on the night of Arkham City, they're all fine now. Except for the ones turning into the Joker. Which is only five people out of the dozens upon dozens upon dozens that were mentioned to have been suffering from the effects in the previous game. How did they even cure the Titan poisoning for these people? Ra's disappeared, so they couldn't have gotten more blood to make another of Mr. Freeze's miracle cure's. In City, IIRC, Joker had been supplying his tainted blood to hospitals for weeks, so it wasn't a bunch of people getting transfusions in one night. Presumably, in that scenario, it would take a long time for any of the effects to appear, otherwise Batman would get wise that something was up and spoil Joker's fun. Maybe it was even diluted with clean blood to delay any reaction, which would explain why Batman almost dies over the course of a few hours. He got a concentrated dose. Then it kind of makes sense that 4 people slipped through the cracks or didn't hear about the danger. I don't recall how they fixed the already infected people though. And apparently even the miracle cure didn't really work if Batman is still feeling effects of it.
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Oh man, I knew he was coming back as soon as the game started but this is just too good. I am really looking forward to see how the Joker turns this game into his stage again. 
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I think the reason why Batman is having special effects from this is not the just the joker blood, its the fact that Batman had Titan in his system for a bit. Yes Batman took the antidote to Titan within minutes, but that just leaves another chemical in his system. Remember, what killed Joker was Titan poisoning, and so there's a bit of that in his blood as well. Basically, its all those different chemicals interacting, they were stable but Scarecrow's new gas has made them unstable again.
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CzarChasm posted:I don't recall how they fixed the already infected people though. And apparently even the miracle cure didn't really work if Batman is still feeling effects of it.
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Mar 6, 2016 20:45
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Bats also has some Ra's al Ghul in in him IIRC, the cure was based on Ra's blood? Dude's a walking petridish.
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PhazonLink posted:Bats also has some Ra's al Ghul in in him IIRC, the cure was based on Ra's blood? Let's not forget Copperhead's poison and Mad Hatter's "tea". If there's one thing I'm amazed by, it's the fact that Batman manages to get drugged in all of the Arkham games. Kinda makes that conversation with Oracle about him possibly getting dosed by Crane without realizing it and killing someone (Identity Thief sidequest) a bit funnier in hindsight.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:If there's one thing I'm amazed by, it's the fact that Batman manages to get drugged in all of the Arkham games. It's what he gets for not having a mask to cover his mouth and nose. At least the Arkham Knight gets that one right.
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I just like that the communicator Batman used to talk to Gordon in the car was called "Batphone". Like what Adam West had in his Lincoln Futura, with a direct link to... Commissioner Gordon! It all makes sense.
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:I just like that the communicator Batman used to talk to Gordon in the car was called "Batphone". Or that the bat mobile's steering wheel is also bat shaped. I think he has a problem...
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I have a few issues with this plot device meant to bring the Joker back. Mainly because: Thank you for summing up exactly how I feel about this. The execution is fine, good, even, but the whole thing is really unnecessary and yeah, the plot excuse is weak, not to mention pretty cliche. Plus I'd add a fourth problem that I have with this in that Batman apparently isn't going to tell anyone he's hallucinating from the fear gas. 'I had a bad reaction but I'm over it'? Really, Bats? People have a right to know if you're impaired, here. Of course, if Joker hadn't been such a problem with Origins story I probably wouldn't hate this, and that wasn't even the same company, so maybe I should stop being so hard on Rocksteady for something that technically isn't their fault. But then what would I get angry about on the internet?
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:2. This retcons things from Arkham City to make less sense, if I understand correctly. So, instead of everyone dying from Joker's Titan poisoning, which apparently should have killed a ton of people given that everyone and their grandmother decided to get a blood transfusion on the night of Arkham City, they're all fine now. Except for the ones turning into the Joker. Which is only five people out of the dozens upon dozens upon dozens that were mentioned to have been suffering from the effects in the previous game. How did they even cure the Titan poisoning for these people? Ra's disappeared, so they couldn't have gotten more blood to make another of Mr. Freeze's miracle cure's. Batman gave Robin a sample of his infected blood, and sent him to have Oracle figure out a cure and track down the blood shipments. Fun Things:
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Let's not forget Copperhead's poison and Mad Hatter's "tea". The Arkham games are somewhat like the Max Payne series, in that there is always a point where the main character gets drugged and has a weird-rear end nightmare sequence ensue. And much like Max Payne, Batman is an expert at diving through the air- they should compare notes.
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GirlCalledBob posted:Of course, if Joker hadn't been such a problem with Origins story I probably wouldn't hate this, and that wasn't even the same company, so maybe I should stop being so hard on Rocksteady for something that technically isn't their fault. But then what would I get angry about on the internet? Yeah, I was thinking this too. If this was just the third game, I wouldn't have a problem, especially because I feel the only reason Origins even exists as a prequel is so they could do another game with the Joker since they killed him in City.
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Crystalgate posted:The miracle cure removed the dying from Titan Poisoning effect, but not the "becoming Joker" effect. Don't ask me how. Nanomachines. It's ALWAYS nanomachines. By the way, is "Johnny Charisma" supposed to be a reference to MK's Johnny Cage?
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On one hand, goddamn let the Joker rest. I like him, but I'm getting into serious Joker fatigue here. On the other, the plotline seems decent, modulo having to shut down your brain on the how, but then again comic book science is magic by another name. Kidnapping the sane carrier guy, though? Not cool, Batman, not cool. You could let the dude out, it's not like he'd disappear to avoid the blood testing bat-syringes.
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Discendo Vox posted:Batman gave Robin a sample of his infected blood, and sent him to have Oracle figure out a cure and track down the blood shipments. Maybe that call Alfred had about Lucius making a cure during the Mad Hatter sidequest was real, then.  Discendo Vox posted:If you look around the mixing chamber, had you actually placed the fourth container of neutralizer? From what I recall, I think it inexplicably disappears. Which is weird, because shouldn't it have exploded if Batman had a freakout and passed out, likely dropping it after Joker's hallucination showed up? JamieTheD posted:Nah, I'm afraid it's a little simpler than that. Of the lot, he's the most Joker-like, and... Jo[hnny] Char[isma]. Oh ho, ho ho ho ho. My sides, they do split. Yeah, I actually mistook him for the real Joker, honestly. I saw an image of him before the game came out and I thought that there was going to be a sidequest where you find out that he was Joker's real identity. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Mar 6, 2016 |
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I have a few issues with this plot device meant to bring the Joker back. Mainly because: Because Joker. quote:2. This retcons things from Arkham City to make less sense, if I understand correctly. So, instead of everyone dying from Joker's Titan poisoning, which apparently should have killed a ton of people given that everyone and their grandmother decided to get a blood transfusion on the night of Arkham City, they're all fine now. Except for the ones turning into the Joker. Which is only five people out of the dozens upon dozens upon dozens that were mentioned to have been suffering from the effects in the previous game. How did they even cure the Titan poisoning for these people? Ra's disappeared, so they couldn't have gotten more blood to make another of Mr. Freeze's miracle cure's. Nah, they openly say "We missed a few, because of unrecorded transfusions." This, at least, I'm fine with. The Ra's blood thing, I seem to recall, is a genuine hole, or at least, I don't remember the solution. quote:3. The Joker himself is no longer a villain. I mean everyone who comes into contact with Joker's blood begins to act erratic and unlike themselves, right? So, I guess that the guy who originally became the Joker is a victim of that effect, too. So, now, instead of the Joker being an awful villain, he's just as much of a person who was affected by the blood as these four people who are quarantined. But we're still supposed to hate him, because... Okay, this is not a spoiler, because the game's all but throwing it in your face, but... Here's hole number 2: The "Miracle Cure", as folks are calling it, didn't technically work on Batman. He's turning into Joker too. So yeah, all the talk in the previous two games of Joker taking over the plot? Well, now it's happening literally. This is about the point where I started to seriously dislike the writing in this game. As to Joker not being a villain, funnily enough, this has often been one of the debating points of the Joker. How much is him, and how much is the chemical aftereffects of his One Bad Day? Was it actually a chemical aftereffect? Because another thing everyone knows is that there's ten or twelve different "Origins" for the Joker, and not all of them involve Ace Chemicals. Technowolf posted:Nanomachines. It's ALWAYS nanomachines. Nah, I'm afraid it's a little simpler than that. Of the lot, he's the most Joker-like, and... Jo[hnny] Char[isma]. Oh ho, ho ho ho ho. My sides, they do split.
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