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Milky Moor posted:access to the internet has not changed at all - lid, something awful forums post, 2016 No one is acting like the internet hasn't changed. Yeah, porn and "wierd" porn is more accessible but you seem to think adolescents are unable to understand that porn isn't real. The same poo poo argument gets made against violent films and video games and detractors always use the most exceptional cases but never bring up any real studies. e: Oh wow I type slow. Basically what Lid said.
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Pink - I am only talking about otherwise healthy Long-Term Unemployed (LTU). Please stop trying to confuse the issue with ill people, short-term unemployed or poor people in general. I am explicitly not talking about people who cannot work due to illness, have to care for a family member full time, or other genuine excuse.Pickled Tink posted:This is a complete an utter nonsense. It isn't spending other peoples money. It is given to the unemployed person to spend as they see fit. Why is it only the money that poor people have that is considered other peoples? LTU only have money because it was taken from productive members of society though taxes and given to them. That is why I have no moral problems with food stamps, income management etc aside from the cost spent to enforce them. It's not their money, it's a handout given to stop them starving because they do not contribute. It's not supposed to support a pleasant lifestyle. The instant society at large says "hey lets cut benefits in half" the LTU have no say in the matter because it ain't their money, it's the taxpayers to give. Why not the money of those who work the stock market and make millions on electronic trades? Why not the money of people who buy a niche medication and fill out the paperwork to ensure they get market exclusivity for a period, then jack up the prices to hundreds of dollars per pill? In a free market every transaction benefits both participants - otherwise they would not agree to conduct the transaction. There is nothing immoral about working the stock market. Pills - there needs to be an incentive to encourage R&D into treating rare diseases. No company would research curing rare diseases if there was no hope of earning a profit from it. quote:If it is just government spending that is the issue (Because tax is theft I guess? That's a fairly standard libertarian line) then no one who gets money from the government gets it legitimately, and they all don't contribute either. Do you really, honestly, not see why I'd differentiate between someone who has been unemployed for 6 months and someone who has been unemployed for a decade? quote:Furthermore, this policy is a recipe for mental and physical illness, which in turn means that these people will have to receive treatment under our government funded healthcare system. Mental instability and the despair that comes about from the situation you describe will also result in violence and entrenched multi-generational poverty. Frankly, it would be more humane to simply shoot us. Us? Do you identify as someone who is capable of working, does not contribute to society, and has been unemployed for 5+ years? If nothing else volunteering should exclude you. There is a third choice between permanently unemployed and suicide - getting a job, even if it is cleaning toilets. quote:A diet of rice is a good way to die of malnutrition. It was an example. You'd mix it up by offering beans one week, lentils the next etc. I'm not proposing people be allowed to starve to death. quote:Furthermore, treating people like prisoners or criminals simply because they cannot find work in an economy that requires a low, but still non-trivial amount of unemployment is ridiculous. Businesses require an unemployed labour pool sizable enough to provide a downward pressure on wages, and it is in their own best interests to ensure that as many people remain unemployed as possible beyond their own requirements. When I trust 100% of jobseekers to obey instructions, turn up on time and not rob the company blind, I will have more sympathy for the "the current system requires a certain number of unemployed" argument. The bottom %10 are nowhere near that benchmark. quote:Another lovely thing about the job market is that if you have a hole in your employment history, for instance you have been unemployed for 18 months, well... a company will assume you are lazy, or out of practice and hire someone else. The larger the gap in your employment history, the harder it is to get another job. Furthermore, few employers are willing to spend money on employee training, so they preferentially go for people already in or recently out of work because they are up to date on best practices. Protip: say you tried running your own tiny company in something boring. It's unlikely anyone will question it. quote:Being unemployed is not illegal either, but you are advocating torturous conditions for poors, while you are letting the wealthy and companies walk away without a care in the world. Private charities will not be illegal under my proposal.
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Mar 7, 2016 10:37
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LibertyCat posted:The answer is Drones. Lots and Lots of Drones, to the point where we have more drones than Indonesia has missiles. Dear God.
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I like how MM is trying to use what was an attempt to draw out something a little more concrete than vague soapboxing as some kind of gotcha
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Jonah Galtberg posted:I like how MM is trying to use what was an attempt to draw out something a little more concrete than vague soapboxing as some kind of gotcha Okay, and?
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Forgive me for not reading all your shitposts but kids have been having kids since kids could have kids so internet porn isn't exactly some crazy poo poo. Now for the real news PYNE HAS RESIGNED. QLD ALP Pyne though so sorry if you got your hopes up
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SeekOtherCandidate posted:I agree that bosses are parasites and should be murdered too, but we're talking about unemployment here. Do you actually see no value in being able to manage a team of people (with differing skillsets, work ethics and personality issues) to accomplish a goal? quote:sure hope you've never pirated a movie then I should have specified something that most people would call a real crime, such as mugging or shoplifting. -- For the record my Libertarian views are mainly based on my own morals, not what is theoretically best for running an economy. Some regulation is needed to prevent abuse of monopolies etc, but overall there should be less rules. Treat adults like adults and let them make their own decisions. I can't stand the "Let's Ban Everything" mentality of the average Australian.
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Mar 7, 2016 10:44
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milku is right, I would do some hosed up poo poo to pisscat
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Mar 7, 2016 10:47
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Revolver Ocelot no!
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LibertyCat posted:Pink - I am only talking about otherwise healthy Long-Term Unemployed (LTU). Please stop trying to confuse the issue with ill people, short-term unemployed or poor people in general. I am explicitly not talking about people who cannot work due to illness, have to care for a family member full time, or other genuine excuse. Okay, and?
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Mar 7, 2016 10:50
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Mar 7, 2016 11:20
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LibertyCat posted:Pink - I am only talking about otherwise healthy Long-Term Unemployed (LTU). Please stop trying to confuse the issue with ill people, short-term unemployed or poor people in general. I am explicitly not talking about people who cannot work due to illness, have to care for a family member full time, or other genuine excuse. quote:Why not the money of those who work the stock market and make millions on electronic trades? Why not the money of people who buy a niche medication and fill out the paperwork to ensure they get market exclusivity for a period, then jack up the prices to hundreds of dollars per pill? Also, the medical example I provided was for existing medications. The Shkrelli example, if you will, where they do no work. They merely use existing finances to purchase an existing drug that people rely on, and get cheaply, and jack the price up to hundreds of dollars per pill because their small customer base has no choice in the matter. It is either pay up or enjoy death. This is, naturally, 100% legal. The calamity that happened to Dick Smith is another real example of the consequences of those with already great levels of wealth working to maximise their own wealth at the expense of others. It got bought out, gutted, and sold off for a quick buck and has now been forced to shut down because of entirely legal profiteering, costing thousands of jobs. This was not productive or contributive at all. It was, in fact, vastly more harmful than anything the unemployed could do short of a full scale riot. It is, however, business as usual for those with the money to spare. quote:When I trust 100% of jobseekers to obey instructions, turn up on time and not rob the company blind, I will have more sympathy for the "the current system requires a certain number of unemployed" argument. The bottom %10 are nowhere near that benchmark.
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Hooray, I'm off probation. The problem with young people and internet sex is that Pavel isn't their gateway. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHhmCoLSK10/UDXQAIzyqxI/AAAAAAAAAQM/RE571zrU8vU/s1600/Ravyn-Rozensztok-Pavel-Patel-Hommage.png(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Birb Katter posted:Hooray, I'm off probation. The problem with young people and internet sex is that Pavel isn't their gateway. I see you are still getting off on making D&D difficult to read in places where people aren't as open minded as ourselves?
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what people do with their government lentils in Lasertopia, prepare them by gebtling roasting them in the heat of their own shame?
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Graic Gabtar posted:I see you are still getting off on making D&D difficult to read in places where people aren't as open minded as ourselves? never not phone post mate
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LibertyCat posted:For the record my Libertarian views are mainly based on my own morals, not what is theoretically best for running an economy. Some regulation is needed to prevent abuse of monopolies etc, but overall there should be less rules. Treat adults like adults and let them make their own decisions. I can't stand the "Let's Ban Everything" mentality of the average Australian. Do you believe it is moral to run an economy inefficiently just to satisfy your own moral outlook even though it would negatively affect every other person in the country? A person who intends to never work and receives benefits increases consumption without increasing the supply of labour, which in turn increases economic opportunities for businesses without putting downward pressure on wages. Notice how politicians were saying people should spend during the last recession? they weren't saying "work harder", just "spend". It's because spending is good for our economy in and of itself. If you earn a wage you owe a portion of your pay-cheque to this spending benefit that the long-term unemployed provide to the economy. I honestly have no idea how it compares to what portion of your pay is taxed for giving money to the long-term unemployed though. Incidentally this benefit is eroded by every common way governments use to punish the long-term unemployed, including your idea of just giving them cheap food.
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LibertyCat posted:The answer is Drones. Lots and Lots of Drones, to the point where we have more drones than Indonesia has missiles. wow, you are actually wrong about everything Drones with capabilities similar to a plane are not magically cheaper than the plane, infact they tend to be more expensive (satcom bandwidth is non cheap af) and they are useless in opposed airspace. I know libertarians arent known for long memories but the iraqi airforce was swatting drones down like nobodies business with 60s era soviet fighters. The last warplane build in aus was in the 50s iirc so there is very little aerospace industry capacity in australia. drones are brilliant for low intensity warfare because there is not much to worry about other than some guy with an ak (or if he is lucky a dshk) shooting at a plane he couldnt reliably hit, mainly because you can just leave them flying around for far longer than a pilot would remain effective. Indonesia has a modern airforce with decent pilots and would make mincemeat out of current drones possibly without losing a single plane due to the aforementioned problems. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/indonesia-plans-ew-jammer-buy-66227/ drones are super vulnerable to jamming because they cannot be directly piloted and the only way to get around this would be a physical link which would be hilarious to see. finally. fuk u
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gently caress aerospace capacity, build it in a tin shed up in a Darwin airbase m8 Use toxic chemicals too so ground crews get brain damage
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Big Daddy Keynes posted:The last warplane build in aus was in the 50s iirc so there is very little aerospace industry capacity in australia. There is a poo poo load more than what most people think. We could very easily build something like the Rafale or at least slap a knocked down kit together.
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We would benefit just as much economically by bringing in genuine refugees and giving them the money instead - it is still being spent, and after a few years, they will (probably) work, whereas Bob the lazy sack of poo poo who hasn't worked in 20 years will continue being a social parasite. Hell we would benefit just as much by getting the government to buy the same amount of food etc a human being would consume, putting it on a ship, then sinking it. Claiming someone who only consumes is 'contributing' by being a mouth to feed is ridiculous.
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ewe2 posted:Okay, and? the only good post in this thread
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Chiwie posted:There is a poo poo load more than what most people think. We could very easily build something like the Rafale or at least slap a knocked down kit together. well yeah, but he is talking about making more drones than indonesia has missiles and i just dont see the capacity. I'm sure that a ckd fighter would be very doable in aus. but its a jobs program and i think the money is better spent on things that benefit australia.
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Suppose Indonesia shoots down a hundred drones - if we're doing it properly, who cares, there will be another thousand behind them. There will be no grieving widows. Ideally each drone would be programmed to bring down anything it doesn't recognize autonomously.
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LibertyCat posted:Suppose Indonesia shoots down a hundred drones - if we're doing it properly, who cares, there will be another thousand behind them. There will be no grieving widows. Look m8 just because you played Protoss doesn't mean we have to be a part of this chickenshit outfit
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LibertyCat posted:We would benefit just as much economically by bringing in genuine refugees and giving them the money instead - it is still being spent, and after a few years, they will (probably) work, whereas Bob the lazy sack of poo poo who hasn't worked in 20 years will continue being a social parasite. Yes, we should be letting in refugees. Congratulations, your one good opinion. As for buying food and then sinking it, yes that would also be an effective stimulus (though at that point you'd be better off just giving a subsidy.) Giving people welfare is not only good for economic reasons. If nothing else, just remember it's what defeated world communism (YMMV on whether that was good or not.)
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LibertyCat posted:We would benefit just as much economically by bringing in genuine refugees and giving them the money instead - it is still being spent, and after a few years, they will (probably) work, whereas Bob the lazy sack of poo poo who hasn't worked in 20 years will continue being a social parasite. I wish you'd send off ur food for the foreseeable future!
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LibertyCat posted:While I'm making Defense policy we should restart R&D into Nukes. wish they'd r&d a firewall around your posts
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Lid posted:wish they'd r&d a firewall around your posts Noice
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Endman posted:Look m8 just because you played Protoss doesn't mean we have to be a part of this chickenshit outfit I was going to say 'Carrier Command' (1988 version), but you win the bonus round for the 1986 'Aliens' reference.
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Big Daddy Keynes posted:well yeah, but he is talking about making more drones than indonesia has missiles and i just dont see the capacity. I'm sure that a ckd fighter would be very doable in aus. but its a jobs program and i think the money is better spent on things that benefit australia. Your right in saying that the drone idea is retarded. Gotta disagree with the other point though. We have to throw money at a new fighter, so why not support a jobs program over here rather than some US senator's backyard.
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Lid posted:wish they'd r&d a firewall around your posts N O I C E
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Chiwie posted:Your right in saying that the drone idea is retarded. Gotta disagree with the other point though. We have to throw money at a new fighter, so why not support a jobs program over here rather than some US senator's backyard. Hmm... reminds me of a certain submarine contract...
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LibertyCat posted:While I'm making Defense policy we should restart R&D into Nukes. Someone already suggested sending you on a one way research mission to the largest nuclear reaction in the solar system.
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LibertyCat posted:Suppose Indonesia shoots down a hundred drones - if we're doing it properly, who cares, there will be another thousand behind them. There will be no grieving widows. Are you 15? Serious question
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Chiwie posted:Your right in saying that the drone idea is retarded. Gotta disagree with the other point though. We have to throw money at a new fighter, so why not support a jobs program over here rather than some US senator's backyard. im not disagreeing with your point about fighters but the numbers he is saying im just not sure the capacity is there although with the motor industry winding down there might be some extra capacity. LibertyCat posted:While I'm making Defense policy we should restart R&D into Nukes. nukes are useless, dont take it from me tho noted "watermelon" Colin Powell posted:The more I got into nuclear weapons. The more I realized that these weapons must never be used. And then I became Chairman of the Joint chiefs of staff in 1989 and I had 28,000 nuclear weapons under my supervision. And every morning I looked to see where the Russian submarines were off the coast of Virginia and how far away those missions were from Washington. I kept track where the Russian missiles were in Europe and in the Soviet Union. The one thing that I convinced myself after all these years of exposure to the use of nuclear weapons is that they were useless. They could not be used. If you can have deterence with an even lower number of weapons, well then why stop there, why not continue on, why not get rid of them altogether…This is the moment when we have to move forward and all of us come together to reduce the number of nuclear weapons and eliminate them from the face of the earth. http://thinkprogress.org/security/2010/01/27/175869/colin-powell-nuclear-weapons-are-useless/ you see this libertarian cat man this is called a source you should try it some time also do you want to see civilian airlines shot down because thats what your plan involves vis a vis shooting all unidentified targets. also target spoofing is basically how ew works so we would run the gently caress out of money.
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Big Daddy Keynes posted:im not disagreeing with your point about fighters but the numbers he is saying im just not sure the capacity is there Your right, building a couple of thousand drones and operating them is way beyond our industrial capacity.
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Endman posted:gently caress aerospace capacity, build it in a tin shed up in a Darwin airbase m8 Air Marshall what are you doing posting on the forums?
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