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Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Ravenfood posted:

a conscious all-consuming terror of death is normal or okay

I'd like to note that TMT assumes this is a process of sublimation.

Yeah but generally, this discussion would be less bad if it was a bit more careful.

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The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Ravenfood posted:

Man, I don't have a philosophical basis behind this, but I think about death a lot and its not terrifying to me, so I don't know what's up. Little background: I'm a nurse in a Medical ICU that specializes in oncology patients, and before that I was an EMT. I see death a lot. At least once every other week, usually more, I'm directly involved with the close care of someone who dies during my shift, and its a near-daily occurrence that someone I'm tangentially involved with dies or that someone I was closely working with died while I wasn't at work. In some cases, I've been caring for them for weeks and getting to know them fairly well. In others, they've been begging for death, but because they're not considered mentally sound to make the decision to eg withdraw ventilator support, the family keeps them alive. In others, the patient was so far along in their leukemia when they got diagnosed that they could basically have been told that there was no reason to do another load of laundry. There are daily discussions between us (the bedside nurse), the family, the patient, the critical care physician, and the oncologist over what the best course of action for the patient is, both medically and ethically. Both of my grandparents passed away in the last two years. My aunt killed herself several years ago. I'm the healthcare POA for my parents, who are starting to have to think about what they want near the end of their life. My friend got hit by a car recently, and an ever so slight difference in events then means the difference between a relatively minor concussion and death. Death is all around me, and its...not that frightening. There are two kinds of good days at work: When someone I didn't expect to get better leaves the unit and doesn't look like they'll bounce back immediately, and when someone who has been in pain for weeks is allowed to die peacefully with their family. I can state pretty solidly that, as far as I can tell, I am comfortable with the idea that I'm going to die, that I won't know when, and that I might not know how.

Is there something to the idea that people want to be attached to something larger than themselves because of existential anxiety? Yeah, probably. Jumping from that statement to "A terror of death is the single most important underlying motivating conflict in humans" is absurdly over-reaching. And do either of those mean that a conscious all-consuming terror of death is normal or okay? Hell no.

Okay

# ? Mar 6, 2016 18:22

Puppy Time: Mar 1, 2005

PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker: Actually, let's discuss humanity's psychological responses to the fear of death, that sounds a lot more fun. gently caress staying on topic, I have a philosophy to defend!

# ? Mar 6, 2016 19:45

Count Chocula: Dec 25, 2011; WE HAVE TO CONTROL OUR ENVIRONMENT
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Puppy Time posted:

PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker: Actually, let's discuss humanity's psychological responses to the fear of death, that sounds a lot more fun. gently caress staying on topic, I have a philosophy to defend!

The beliefs of a bunch of people obsessed with an impossible technological singularity and/or extreme ideological positions have absolutely NOTHING to do with the fear of death, yes. The fact that some of them believe in impossible technologies that would eliminate death while still keeping them from believing in God is just a coincidence.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 21:02

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

Count Chocula posted:

The beliefs of a bunch of people obsessed with an impossible technological singularity and/or extreme ideological positions have absolutely NOTHING to do with the fear of death, yes. The fact that some of them believe in impossible technologies that would eliminate death while still keeping them from believing in God is just a coincidence.

If we armchair analyzed the DE nerds' fear of death that would be one thing but we just seem to be going back and forth between people who are too gar and manly to fear death and other people who think fearing death is the basis of all human interaction or something, which i admit would make an entertaining D&D thread but doesn't in and of itself have much to do with the DE dorks.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 21:05

DStecks: Feb 6, 2012

Human psychology is more based on management of cognitive dissonance anyway.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 21:12

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

Count Chocula posted:

The beliefs of a bunch of people obsessed with an impossible technological singularity and/or extreme ideological positions have absolutely NOTHING to do with the fear of death, yes. The fact that some of them believe in impossible technologies that would eliminate death while still keeping them from believing in God is just a coincidence.

What I find interesting is how closely they recreate what amounts to a sort of pop-Calvinist theology that just happens to recreate all the hallmarks while removing most of the stuff that you might directly and rationally reject. The future-AI who might torture your infinite number of copies won't give a poo poo if you beat off or kiss boys, but it WILL punish you if you prevent or don't help it come to pass... because once it comes to pass, all problems are solved.

I can certainly understand why the parallels are less obvious to these guys than they are from we goons in our lofty perches. They're closer to the topic after all, and probably formally disclaim religion as anything other than an Other, even as a topic of academic study. What is funny to me is that it's so perfectly mapped to that even when the people coming up with it are presumably raised a-religiously or Jewish or Catholic. It's like the seeds of it are in the cultural soil of America.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 21:20

Woolie Wool: Jun 2, 2006

What, you mean religions are...cultural? Please share more of this amazing insight no one has heard before.

Richard Dawkins posted:

I am a cultural Christian.

Oh wait.

# ? Mar 6, 2016 23:37

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

Woolie Wool posted:

What, you mean religions are...cultural? Please share more of this amazing insight no one has heard before.

Richard Dawkins posted:
I am a cultural Christian.

Oh wait.

Of course, Moldbug expounded upon this at length three months before Dawkins, chastened, compressed Moldbug's 38,000 word thesis into those five. :smug:

# ? Mar 7, 2016 00:33

Silver2195: Apr 4, 2012

Nessus posted:

The future-AI who might torture your infinite number of copies won't give a poo poo if you beat off or kiss boys, but it WILL punish you if you prevent or don't help it come to pass... because once it comes to pass, all problems are solved.

How many people still believe in Roko's Basilisk, anyway? I think even Roko himself came to realize the idea was bullshit, but apparently Michael Anissmov still buys it?

# ? Mar 7, 2016 04:09

Eox: Jun 20, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

We're all going to poo poo ourselves when we die and there's nothing we can do about it

# ? Mar 7, 2016 05:02

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

Silver2195 posted:

How many people still believe in Roko's Basilisk, anyway? I think even Roko himself came to realize the idea was bullshit, but apparently Michael Anissmov still buys it?

I thought Roko didn't believe it but was presenting it as a logical conclusion from various elements of Yudkowsky Thought in order to sow ignorance and chaos in the ~~black community~~ LessWrong demographic.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 05:21

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

Nessus posted:

I thought Roko didn't believe it but was presenting it as a logical conclusion from various elements of Yudkowsky Thought in order to sow ignorance and chaos in the ~~black community~~ LessWrong demographic.

Roko says in the comments of the original basilisk post that he was trying his scheme: buy a lottery ticket after having resolved to donate possible winnings to the cause, thus doing the acausal deal in some quantum branch.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 13:33

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

If you were wondering what Scott's latest post is about : It's dragging barrydeutsch and argumate from Tumblr. Barry is an ardent social justice warrior who draws cartoons (which you'll have seen forwarded all over the place, they live on leftycartoons.com) and interacts quite nicely with rationalist Tumblr. Argumate was an SSC reader who joined Tumblr to actually respond to Scott's tumblr, and has spent the last year interacting with rationalist Tumblr. He also runs the Argumarket, a play-money prediction market for the 2016 US Presidential election. Both would certainly count as rationalist-adjacent (fwiw I probably would be too).

After su3su2u1 got driven off, Argumate - who is a programmer who has actually read Norvig & Russell - decided to talk about their claims more. So Scott warned him he was "burning through a limited stock of good will." As Argumate responded:

quote:

> corpus-vak:

>> argumate:

>>> corpus-vak:

>>>> argumate:

>>>>> Coming up next in Rational Discourse Theatre:

>>>>> Are our opponents stupid, actively malicious, or simply misinformed??

>>>> This sounds somewhat like the failure mode of other categories of people that I will hint darkly at. Here watch me hint darkly. The dark hinting is happening, I think?

>>> It is the most common failure mode, unfortunately.

>> If only there was a way to teach people how to recognise when they are wrong.

> We could at least have some kind of website dedicated to being better at observing when they are wrong and attempt to mitigate their biases etc etc feel free to complete this joke at your own leisure.

Unfortunately where could we find someone capable of making such a website?

The intellectuals of this age waste away their lives in ivory towers, frivolously researching pointless trivialities with their suspect methodologies, while the philosophers masturbate furiously before their busts of Plato.

It would need to be someone young, relatively uneducated, untainted by the stink of the academy, bold in their predictions, confident in their assertions, eloquent in their rhetoric, and skilled at writing fan-fiction to attract more readers.

Unless such a saviour appears, humanity is surely doomed.

The actual argument in Scott's post is that you have to be familiar with the arguments concerning MIRI. For some reason, they don't actually want to speak to the people who are either. I wonder why that is.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 13:59

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker: Roko's Postmodern Lives

# ? Mar 7, 2016 14:10

Doc Hawkins: Jun 15, 2010; Dashing? But I'm not even moving!

Okay, he has to know he's misinterpreting that part of Fiddler on the Roof. Doesn't that count as a dark act of rhetoric? I don't want to believe someone can miss a joke that badly, even when it's at their expense.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 18:41

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

nm misread

# ? Mar 7, 2016 18:56

Oligopsony: May 17, 2007

Thoughts on Nick Land's novellette "Chasm," crossposted from Tumblr:

quote:

Humorous prelude: I wanted to read this, but I didn�t want to subsidize Nick Land, so I signed up for Kindle Unlimited, which had it. Then I promptly forgot about both it and my subscription (before recently remembering.) So depending on how KU works I may have given Land $30 or something. Oops! So as penance, here�s his earlier �Phyl-Undu� (epub, mobi), although �Chasm� is better. (Or at least more skillfully done - �Phyl-Undu� is by far the more replete with imaginative imagery.)

Anyway, I liked it, partially but not only because it seems like a self-indictment. Light spoilers below the cut.

At the level of its concrete moving parts, �Chasm� is about five men, a boat, and a BDO. The BDO, at a functional level, 1) is the purpose of their mission - they�re dumping in the Marianas trench - and 2) makes people go crazy. The boat, The Pythoness, is autonomous, leaving the men simply there as another level of technical redundancy. And as for the men, we have Frazer, a capable ship�s captain frustrated by his consequent lack of autonomy, his longstanding crew - Bolton, a scientist; Scruggs, a classic drunken sailor born again into evangelical Christianity; Zodh, a racial caricature, who, like so much of this, is right out of Lovecraft - and Symns, loyal factotum for the mysterious QASM corporation, escort of the BDO, and our narrator.

The first two-thirds of the book are done building character and tension, and while there�s nothing original here, it�s done very well, especially in the small amount of space used. The last third, where everything of course goes to Hell, is no more original but much less smooth, torn between the need to show nothing (don�t reveal the monster! it must remain abstract! is the timeworn advice that gets rephrased in the concluding essay) and to show something viscerally unpleasant; Land here falls back on cliche. Would you believe, for instance, that the fundamentalist crewmate dies mysteriously of crucifixion? The entire character of Zodh, of course - a taciturn Polynesian man implied to worship dark betentacled gods - is just an early example of this. Raising a political objection to this would of course be beside the point, since Land is already an avowed and proud racist, so I�ll stick to the aesthetic one - other than to note, of course, that Land has gloated voluminously in his nonfiction about the power of The Truth About Race or whatever to inspire existential horror in cucked liberal SJWs and, well, this is the best he can come up with?

(There are also cliches done very well, especially in the first two-thirds - I am thinking, in particular, of a description of an �ordinary� if large storm using the language Lovecraft uses for his monsters; it�s an excellent instance of defamiliarization.)

But taking Chasm to task for being ineffective neoreactionary propaganda is also beside the point, not just because of course one might want less of such a thing, but because Chasm fails on that level in more aesthetically pleasing ways as well. I�m also not sure if this isn�t deliberate - Land�s signal intellectual virtue, aside from his creativity with language (also an intellectual vice) has always been his willingness to challenge his comrades� own assumptions.

And here, if the natural readings is to take Symns as a stand-in for Land and his politics, the natural arc of the story is to undermine Symns� worldview, or at least to display why anyone else should reject it. Symns is a company man, the classic cynical operative with no ethics but the professional variety, and it is through his eyes that we see the other crewmates described, and in none too flattering colors. Frazer, Bolton, Scruggs, and Zodh are all defined by their faith, a faith that Symns sees himself and his cynicism as superior to. Their faith blinds them to reality, while Symns looks it right in the face. (Zodh, it is implied, looks at reality too, worshiping as he does Dark Gods, but we can set that aside for now, even though there�s more to say about it.) And this is precisely the script Land has always used himself: he (and some of his other compatriots in reaction, though not always) can look Reality in the face, unblinking, while everyone else flees in terror.

quote:
�You�re killing us.� It was stated calmly, as a simple matter of fact. It wasn�t -I thought - that he was convinced we would die. His conviction was only that Qasm had no concern for our survival, which was beyond all plausible dispute.

�That outcome is not anticipated.�

Qasm didn�t care, and didn�t pretend to. It was honest - which was attractive to me - although that wasn�t a judgment to share with Frazer right now. He�d probably have accepted any amount of bullshit as the price of an iota of consderation. I�d half-forgotten that he didn�t know them like I did. This had to be a serious learning-moment for him.

But as it plays out - not in the inner narrativization of Symns� head, but in the ship - what does this mean? You have a system of physical and social infrastructure - the BDO, Pythoness, and QASM corporation - that are determined to get the crew, including Symns, killed. Operationally, Frazer�s, Botlon�s, and Scrugg�s delusions allow them to believe that human lives are worth living and to cooperate to that end; it drives them to believe the BDO is worth investigating and working against (although, of course, not successfully.) Operationally, Symns� is the faith that actually enjoins him not to consider certain questions, to protect mysteries, and to obey mysterious entities unto his, and everyone else�s, death.

quote:
�You�ve never seen this� �product�?�

�No.�

�You never wanted to?�

�I wanted to do my job.�

�gently caress you,� he said, anger two-thirds swamped by dismay. �You know what�s killed us? Pride, your fanatical pride in professional ignorance. You made the suppression of natural curiosity into your occupational specialty - your holy loving calling - and now, here we are.�

�Here we are,� I agreed.

As a matter of fact the satanical Symns and Zodh do survive, but nothing about the structure of the situation implies this - if there�s a lesson there, it�s forced. As a matter of the actual situation illustrated, what Chasm has to say is that capitalism is Cthulhu worship, and that the Brave New Man heralded by his politics will get himself and everyone else killed, throwing himself down on the altar of uncaring, alien gods. At this level, there is nothing new here; Land has been proudly proclaiming this for a while, boasting that his sacrifices under the moonlight will ensure he gets eaten first.

But what�s especially clear here is that, from the perspective of anyone else - Frazer, Scruggs, Bolton, and all of us by extension trapped in the web of human empathy, �the Cathedral,� and all that - we would be insane to trust Syns, Qasm, and the Pythoness. Insane, maybe, to think we could win, once we got on the boat, but also insane not to try. If, as the obvious allegorical reading suggests, the Pythoness is evolution, capitalism, History, Moloch, Gnon - the underlying processes driving things where they are - the implication is that not trying to mutiny and take it over, steer things in a direction amenable to our interests, is treason against humanity. And Chasm gives no more reason than the rest of Land�s oeuvre - beyond a stylish existential choice for evil, or surrender to the inevitable, or worship of �intelligence� in the abstract - for doing so.

I know that Phil Sandifer liked it enough to say it would be on his Hugo ballot, so I'm curious how much his reading aligned with my own.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 19:16

Oligopsony: May 17, 2007

haha that filter never gets old

# ? Mar 7, 2016 19:17

Puppy Time: Mar 1, 2005

divabot posted:

After su3su2u1 got driven off, Argumate - who is a programmer who has actually read Norvig & Russell - decided to talk about their claims more. So Scott warned him he was "burning through a limited stock of good will." As Argumate responded:

Since tumblr conversation is such a pain to read, here's a reformat to sane people mode:

argumate posted:

Coming up next in Rational Discourse Theatre:
Are our opponents stupid, actively malicious, or simply misinformed??

corpus vak posted:

This sounds somewhat like the failure mode of other categories of people that I will hint darkly at. Here watch me hint darkly. The dark hinting is happening, I think?

argumate posted:

It is the most common failure mode, unfortunately.
If only there was a way to teach people how to recognise when they are wrong.

corpus vak posted:

We could at least have some kind of website dedicated to being better at observing when they are wrong and attempt to mitigate their biases etc etc feel free to complete this joke at your own leisure.

argumate posted:

Unfortunately where could we find someone capable of making such a website?
The intellectuals of this age waste away their lives in ivory towers, frivolously researching pointless trivialities with their suspect methodologies, while the philosophers masturbate furiously before their busts of Plato.
It would need to be someone young, relatively uneducated, untainted by the stink of the academy, bold in their predictions, confident in their assertions, eloquent in their rhetoric, and skilled at writing fan-fiction to attract more readers.
Unless such a saviour appears, humanity is surely doomed.

(Ironically, on the user dashboard, things are now sorted like normal comments; it's only on individual blog pages that everything is nested to hell and back. Tumblr is the worst site for discussion, which just makes it even more baffling that people are trying to have discussions on it.)

# ? Mar 7, 2016 20:14

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Once you have meditated upon The Sequences for long enough to reach the object level, you too will be able to read discussions on Tumblr.

Cingulate has a new favorite as of 20:31 on Mar 7, 2016

# ? Mar 7, 2016 20:28

Munin: Nov 14, 2004

Cingulate posted:

It is important that the opposition is not human. In fact, less than human.

Being insanely set in your ways and hard to shift from the attitudes and convictions you've built up is very human thing though. So I'd say giving up converting someone as a lost cause when you don't have a strong personal investment in changing that particular person's mind is not, necessarily, treating them and considering them as sub or inhuman.

To bring in the other current thread topic; the fact that people tend to settle into some pretty rigid attitudes and ways of thinking is one of the reasons why I think death is a rather essential part of societal change, scientific progress and the likes; hence I, for one, consider the prospect of humanity turning into a society of methuselahs with serious trepidation. I think it is not a problem we're going to have to consider personally (sorry Mr Thiel) but it is not impossible that humanity might be able to eliminate all causes of death other than accidents of various kinds.

[edit] nts, refresh before posting.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 20:34

neonnoodle: Mar 20, 2008; by exmarx

Doc Hawkins posted:

Okay, he has to know he's misinterpreting that part of Fiddler on the Roof. Doesn't that count as a dark act of rhetoric? I don't want to believe someone can miss a joke that badly, even when it's at their expense.

In what way did he misinterpret that part? It seems to me like he pretty much got it (though I don't think the rest of his argument is analogous to it).

# ? Mar 7, 2016 21:12

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Munin posted:

Being insanely set in your ways and hard to shift from the attitudes and convictions you've built up is very human thing though. So I'd say giving up converting someone as a lost cause when you don't have a strong personal investment in changing that particular person's mind is not, necessarily, treating them and considering them as sub or inhuman.

Yes but 1. "the cost/benefit ratio of trying to convince these people is low" is not what the quoted sentence said; it said "given that they are impossible to reason with, these people deserve nothing but ridicule", 2. Who What Now has a history of this sort of dehumanization.

Munin posted:

To bring in the other current thread topic; the fact that people tend to settle into some pretty rigid attitudes and ways of thinking is one of the reasons why I think death is a rather essential part of societal change, scientific progress and the likes; hence I, for one, consider the prospect of humanity turning into a society of methuselahs with serious trepidation. I think it is not a problem we're going to have to consider personally (sorry Mr Thiel) but it is not impossible that humanity might be able to eliminate all causes of death other than accidents of various kinds.

There was even a study recently that attempted to quantify the notion that "science advances one funeral at a time".

# ? Mar 7, 2016 22:30

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Cingulate posted:

There was even a study recently that attempted to quantify the notion that "science advances one funeral at a time".

Starting with yours! *unsheathes basilisk*

# ? Mar 7, 2016 22:38

Who What Now: Sep 10, 2006; by Azathoth

Cingulate posted:

Yes but 1. "the cost/benefit ratio of trying to convince these people is low" is not what the quoted sentence said; it said "given that they are impossible to reason with, these people deserve nothing but ridicule", 2. Who What Now has a history of this sort of dehumanization.

Im thinking of a number between 1-10, use your grand powers of telepathy to find out what it is.

I'm assuming your a telepath, anyway, what with you speaking for me and stating my intentions as fact.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 22:39

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

It's always 3.14

# ? Mar 7, 2016 22:40

Munin: Nov 14, 2004

Tesseraction posted:

It's always 3.14

# ? Mar 7, 2016 22:59

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Tesseraction posted:

Starting with yours! *unsheathes basilisk*

That's vastly overstating my influence on my field, sadly

# ? Mar 7, 2016 23:05

DEKH: Jan 4, 2014

Cingulate posted:

Yes but 1. "the cost/benefit ratio of trying to convince these people is low" is not what the quoted sentence said; it said "given that they are impossible to reason with, these people deserve nothing but ridicule", 2. Who What Now has a history of this sort of dehumanization.

First the mocked the Nazis and I did not speak out because I was not a Nazi.

Then they mocked the white supremacists but I did not speak out because I was not a white supremacist.

Then they made fun of the neo-reactionaries but I did not speak up because I was not a neo-reactionary.

Then they mocked me, but fortunately Cingulate was there.

Truly you are doing the Lord's work Cingulate. Stop the dehumanization of people with terrible opinions lest they are unjustly mocked.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 23:39

Oligopsony: May 17, 2007

Every circlejerk needs an annoying pedant to keep things at least somewhat in check; not having that is how you get nerds convincing themselves they're oppressed spiritual aristocrats in the first place.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 23:45

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

DEKH posted:

First the mocked the Nazis and I did not speak out because I was not a Nazi.

Then they mocked the white supremacists but I did not speak out because I was not a white supremacist.

Then they made fun of the neo-reactionaries but I did not speak up because I was not a neo-reactionary.

Then they mocked me, but fortunately Cingulate was there.

Truly you are doing the Lord's work Cingulate. Stop the dehumanization of people with terrible opinions lest they are unjustly mocked.

Arguably, Scott is not as bad as Hitler.

Well. I guess that should go without saying. Right?

Oligopsony posted:

Every circlejerk needs an annoying pedant to keep things at least somewhat in check; not having that is how you get nerds convincing themselves they're oppressed spiritual aristocrats in the first place.

I'd love to embrace this, but isn't it possible that I actually contribute to the radicalization of the debate by getting a lot of people to associate my arguably comparatively centrist position with the perceived enemy?

# ? Mar 7, 2016 23:46

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Cingulate posted:

I'm an arrogant, living testament to the Dunning-Kruger effect, and you're better off ignoring me instead of engaging me

# ? Mar 7, 2016 23:47

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

That death derail has helped me appreciate Cingulate, just as being stuck for ten minutes in the It's A Small World ride has helped me appreciate other irritatingly catchy songs

# ? Mar 7, 2016 23:52

Patrick Spens: Jul 21, 2006; "Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"; Pillbug

Cingulate posted:

I'd love to embrace this, but isn't it possible that I actually contribute to the radicalization of the debate by getting a lot of people to associate my arguably comparatively centrist position with the perceived enemy?

It's a mock thread. It will inevitably spiral towards yelling about every more unrelated people that are (kinda, if you squint really hard) associated with the original topic. Your presence is not required for that.

# ? Mar 7, 2016 23:57

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

cuck

# ? Mar 8, 2016 00:00

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD: Sep 14, 2007; everything is yours

I'm really glad I bought Sandifer's book on Moore and Morrison. His style is extremely readable, not something you can say for many blogs.

Cingulate posted:

cuck

Well, yes.

# ? Mar 8, 2016 01:19

djw175: Apr 23, 2012; by zen death robot

Cingulate posted:

cuck

Finally something we can all agree on.

# ? Mar 8, 2016 01:22

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

rationalism: but if you really think about it, activist homophobe CEOs are closely analogous to Jews in 1930s Germany, and trans women are speaking from a position of extreme structural power compared to said activist homophobe CEOs to be able to speak out against them

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There is so much casual anti-theism on reddit, for example. Even in the pokemon fan base, TPP �worshipped� omanyte, and nicknamed it�s pidgey �bird jesus�. This is 1/3 of the pokemon team dedicated to making fun of christianity.

Anti-theism is not naming a Pokemon "Bird Jesus" or joking about worshipping something.

Curvature of Earth has a new favorite as of 19:53 on Mar 8, 2016

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