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GreyjoyBastard posted:Alternatively, C'tis are responsible necromancers and don't accidentally destroy the world except by teaching it to humans, oops. 
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ChickenWing posted:MA Ermor works, but you'll never get to play them in a multiplayer game because they are cancer. Whats wrong with Ermor?
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Mar 7, 2016 21:40
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nkr posted:Whats wrong with Ermor? The popkill mechanic turns their portion of the world into a desolate hellhole that doesn't produce gold and the nation is extremely powerful. Games with Ermor work like this generally Option 1) Ermor is dogpiled by his neighbors and loses. Said neighbors then lose because they wasted a lot of effort getting dead provinces. Someone not next to Ermor wins the game. Option 2) Aforementioned dogpile doesn't happen or is ruined by backstabbery. Ermor probably wins the game.
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Mar 7, 2016 21:44
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^--- what he saidnkr posted:Whats wrong with Ermor? they popkill everything, literally every province their dominion touches they kill population off to make their undead army. Basically fighting them sucks dicks because as they take your land and push into it, they kill your income, and if you push them and take hteir lands, you are losing tons of units for nothing because the provinces you take are going to give you no income.
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Mar 7, 2016 21:45
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They are also banned from most games, which is the primary reason you can't play them. I highly recommend against joining any game that doesn't ban them.
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Mar 7, 2016 21:46
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Someone should make a goonmod to balance them a bit better, undead are always cool. I am new so I dunno how to go about it but evidently everyone hates the popkill dominion
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Mar 8, 2016 01:17
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independent of the popkill thing ermor is also really loving powerful, and really loving tedious to play as/against
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Mar 8, 2016 01:20
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 I started next to a level 3 throne with this jerk Annunaki of the Sky on it, and have been throwing naga seductions at him all game. Is there ever a chance to get a commander with morale over 20-30 to switch sides? Urban Sorcerer fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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Mar 8, 2016 02:10
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Urban Sorcerer posted:
I think, though I could admittedly be wrong, that the "Wasn't even remotely interested" portion means it is literally impossible to seduce it. I seem to recall that pretender chassis generally have inbuilt charm immunity, so throne ones may as well, irrespective of what its actual Morale is.
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Mar 8, 2016 02:19
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Lord Koth posted:I think, though I could admittedly be wrong, that the "Wasn't even remotely interested" portion means it is literally impossible to seduce it. I seem to recall that pretender chassis generally have inbuilt charm immunity, so throne ones may as well, irrespective of what its actual Morale is. Battlefield charm effects definitely still work against throne defenders. One of the best thing about being blood is going and hellbind heart charming those suckers.
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Mar 8, 2016 02:20
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pretenders have build in charm immunity, on account of pretenders, so do prophets. pretender chassis have 30 morale and thus are immune to seduce. you have to actually be a pretender to be immune to charm. just liek you have to be a prophet
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Mar 8, 2016 02:23
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jsoh posted:independent of the popkill thing ermor is also really loving powerful, and really loving tedious to play as/against "  "
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How are u posted:Battlefield charm effects definitely still work against throne defenders. One of the best thing about being blood is going and hellbind heart charming those suckers. This is true, and is amazingly useful when you get something like a Great Mother. I just wanted to be totally sure it was impossible and not just incredibly unlikely. Does any nation have better seducers than Patala? I'm really diggin' this snake people nation for that reason, it is a shame it dosen't have much else going for it.
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Urban Sorcerer posted:This is true, and is amazingly useful when you get something like a Great Mother. I just wanted to be totally sure it was impossible and not just incredibly unlikely. Does any nation have better seducers than Patala? I'm really diggin' this snake people nation for that reason, it is a shame it dosen't have much else going for it. Patala has a load of cool summons and some forest recruitment, I reckon they're alright.
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Mar 8, 2016 03:11
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jBrereton posted:In LA, Pan has equally good recruitable seducers, and so does Marignon (neither of which takes a capital slot). Bogarus, Caelum and Ragha can summon them (but they're complete garbage in a fight without gear, and that's what most seduction attempts result in). Any Blood nation can get Succubi, too. Interestingly enough, Ragha actually has two summonable non-uniques with dream seduction. Jahi are indeed complete trash ungeared, though they are spies too if you just want to use them for that, but Pairikas, among several other paths they have, possess Blood 3. They'll murder the poo poo out of most things that get sucked into an assassination battle with them as long as you send along some slaves as well. Admittedly you might very well have far better things to do with them, but it IS an option.
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Lord Koth posted:Interestingly enough, Ragha actually has two summonable non-uniques with dream seduction. Jahi are indeed complete trash ungeared, though they are spies too if you just want to use them for that, but Pairikas, among several other paths they have, possess Blood 3. They'll murder the poo poo out of most things that get sucked into an assassination battle with them as long as you send along some slaves as well. Admittedly you might very well have far better things to do with them, but it IS an option.
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What nation has the most powerful sacred troops? And which nation has the best recruit anywhere sacreds? Also if I'm playing LA Pan and trying to set up a communion to cast like an air 3 spell how is it done? Do the slaves need to have the same paths or does each slave just increase the masters paths by one each?
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Mar 8, 2016 10:45
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Washout posted:What nation has the most powerful sacred troops? And which nation has the best recruit anywhere sacreds? Also if I'm playing LA Pan and trying to set up a communion to cast like an air 3 spell how is it done? Do the slaves need to have the same paths or does each slave just increase the masters paths by one each? EA Vanheim, EA Mictlan (though LA has the same ones, they aren't as good in that era), you have a guy with at least one air rank cast communion master and then enough other guys to cast communion slave that boosts the master up enough to cast the spell(s) you want to cast. so if the master is a1 then you need four slaves ( formula: log2(n) = rounded down path boost). the slaves don't need the paths, but that helps with fatigue.
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Washout posted:What nation has the most powerful sacred troops? EA Vanheim's Vanhere are relatively easy to mass and very powerful. They're also invisible on the strat map and can pop up pretty much anywhere since they're quite stealthy. Bandar Log and Patala probably have the best summonable sacreds in the game, since they have the very solid Kailasan divine summons which tend to be pretty resilient, and the Lankan summons which are cost-effective and often have nasty stuff like life draining weapons or damage reversal. quote:And which nation has the best recruit anywhere sacreds? jBrereton fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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Mar 8, 2016 11:34
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LA Ragha's Zhayedans are actually the best sacreds. They're like flying Anakites.
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V A N H E R E. They cost 30g apiece and can beat more than 5x their gold value in enemies depending on enemies and bless applied. Also they are loving invisible. Nuclearmonkee fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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So I've just eaten a faceful of longdead horseman as Nazca. What's a good counter for that? I'm clearly not going to outspam Sceleria in undead chaff. As I see it, I have a few options Rush Thaum 6 and Wither Bones. Earthquake Round up my mage-priest corps and spam Banishment. Is there a go-to solution for undead chaff spam?
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Blow them up in the most cost-effective way available to you. Earthquake will work pretty well since it blows up the entire battlefield.
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GenericOverusedName posted:Blow them up in the most cost-effective way available to you. Earthquake will work pretty well since it blows up the entire battlefield. Earthquake is the answer. You have lots of flying poo poo and earthquake casters so do this probably. Hopefully you have the income to sustain it cause lategame sceleria will have enough skeletons to require at least 2 earthquakes a turn forever.
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I have updated WHOA.DM, fixed some things, nerfed the Missing God, and added three new spells. WHOA.DM adds Szumogliika, a mod nation, to early age. The post about it was here. You can download WHOA.DM here. If anything is broken please let me know because otherwise this is the final version of WHOA.DM and it will be used the next time a mod game gets started. ty.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Earthquake is the answer. You have lots of flying poo poo and earthquake casters so do this probably. Hopefully you have the income to sustain it cause lategame sceleria will have enough skeletons to require at least 2 earthquakes a turn forever. The real issue with this is that Ragha has no native purchaseable casters with E access. So at best he might have his pretender with a decent bit of Earth, otherwise you're relying on getting randoms. Some of their summons have decent E paths, but you're looking at a minimum of Conj 6 and a shitload of pearls to bring them into play - and it's a random selection between several non-unique choices, only one of which has E. Might be easier to just get to Evoc 7 and empower a few Seraphs to E1 to use Rain of Stones instead. Alternatively, Fire Storm them if you don't have the E gems for empowerment.
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Lord Koth posted:The real issue with this is that Ragha has no native purchaseable casters with E access. So at best he might have his pretender with a decent bit of Earth, otherwise you're relying on getting randoms. Some of their summons have decent E paths, but you're looking at a minimum of Conj 6 and a shitload of pearls to bring them into play - and it's a random selection between several non-unique choices, only one of which has E. Might be easier to just get to Evoc 7 and empower a few Seraphs to E1 to use Rain of Stones instead. Luckily for him he's Nazca!
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Lord Koth posted:The real issue with this is that Ragha has no native purchaseable casters with E access. So at best he might have his pretender with a decent bit of Earth, otherwise you're relying on getting randoms. Some of their summons have decent E paths, but you're looking at a minimum of Conj 6 and a shitload of pearls to bring them into play - and it's a random selection between several non-unique choices, only one of which has E. Might be easier to just get to Evoc 7 and empower a few Seraphs to E1 to use Rain of Stones instead. It's Nazca, not Ragha here. Nazca has decent Earth access, though admittedly RoS would be better than EQ if possible.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Luckily for him he's Nazca!  Ugh, that's what I get for not bothering to double check and posting right after work.
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Mar 8, 2016 22:37
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Is there a good searchable wiki anywhere or do I have to rely on the illwinter pdf's?
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How is your Japanese?
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Washout posted:Is there a good searchable wiki anywhere or do I have to rely on the illwinter pdf's? Well, if you are just looking for unit/spell/item stats then there is http://git.io/dom4. If you are looking for more general strategy info not sure if there is a good one.
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Quick question about Caelum summons: Are daevas or yazads better summons, I could start summoning either soon in a noob game with friends where I'm LA Caelum, but not sure which group of summons are better. I've got reliable access to Astral 2 mages from indies, so I can cast the summon yazatas-spell quite easily.
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Roland Jones posted:It's Nazca, not Ragha here. Nazca has decent Earth access, though admittedly RoS would be better than EQ if possible. How would I protect my own casters from RoS? Decent chance that they would get squashed by a rock when I cast it.
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Z the IVth posted:How would I protect my own casters from RoS? Decent chance that they would get squashed by a rock when I cast it. you have a fluffer cast body ethereal on them, or luck, or give them a hat that gives them luck or a spell focus
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 Seeking arrow is the best spell.
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still killed 100% of enemy ghosts in battle.
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Z the IVth posted:How would I protect my own casters from RoS? Decent chance that they would get squashed by a rock when I cast it. Mistform before you RoS since you are using A mages and all, or Fog Warriors if you have a bunch of mages and other units. Body Ethereal works too though it's not perfect. Or one of the mitigation methods listed. Or Cheat Fate; if you can cram an S mage into the same square, the S mage can Cheat Fate, then the RoS caster drops rocks, with both of them being protected from the rocks by Cheat Fate, repeat as necessary.
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SpiritOfLenin posted:Quick question about Caelum summons: Are daevas or yazads better summons, I could start summoning either soon in a noob game with friends where I'm LA Caelum, but not sure which group of summons are better. I've got reliable access to Astral 2 mages from indies, so I can cast the summon yazatas-spell quite easily. Daevas are kind of hard to mass since its 15 gems for 3 of them, but stacking fear plus a good charge will rout quite a lot of stuff. Easy to lead, since even a Caretaker can bring 30 along at a time. Chaos power can theoretically make them strictly better in a hand-to-hand fight than Yazata but often makes them worse. End of the day it's simple enough to get and use both, and they don't need the same kind of gems, so why not use both and see which you like better?
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You could also mix them, since stacked fear auras overlapping with awe units probably works pretty well. They're not the most efficient summons either way, but it'd be pretty cool at least.
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