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red19fire posted:This is seriously the best part of the modern age. Digital ropes with which to hang themselves. Wasn't Ben Franklin a loving Unitarian or something?
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zeal posted:Benny Franks believed in uniting as many Parisian prostitutes with his genitalia as time and available funds permitted A prosty a day keeps the morning wood awa....I have sifilus. 
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Wasn't Ben Franklin a loving Unitarian or something? The religious beliefs of the founding fathers would get them burned at the stake in the modern religious climate tbh Jefferson ripped the Bible apart because he though Paul and the miracles of Jesus were dumb and never happened and created a "philosophy of Jesus" book. Imagine how well that sort of thing would go over today if say, a prominent Senator did that. Franklin was also a fan of starting every day by opening his windows and cavorting totally nude in front of them. He called it "air baths" but I think he just really enjoyed being seen nude by a street full of people
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Jumpingmanjim posted:"go ahead and shoot me" "Did they shoot him? You assholes" The video on its own: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw9sfuFGghY I love the Home School Teen's attempts to contribute. "We have to get Ryan back!" "I'm an EMT!" "*shrieking*"
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I'm surprised by how calm Ammon is during most of the video. Like, Finicum is dead and his only comments are, "Oh, no turns out I wasn't shot. Well, I guess we got lax and lazy. Once they let us go because we refuse joinder with our corporate persons we'll just try harder next time."
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drat, they came within a hair's breadth of that stupid "I'm an EMT!" lady getting shot, too. People do incredibly stupid things when they're in shock, but an EMT should know better than to try to run out or a car screaming when police and federal agents are pointing guns at you. EDIT - wait, EMT lady was the Von Trapp family singer girl? I can guarantee she's not a real EMT.
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Lavoy's wife released a statement after the report. She probably should have waited and revised her statement, because despite them pointing out that he had 900 feet to stop after seeing the blockade, she claimedquote:“It was an ambush with a roadblock placed on a blind curve along a lonely stretch of highway. I am told that in law enforcement and prosecuting circles this is called a ‘Deadman’s blockade,’ and is designed to allow a ‘kill stop’ which is illegal.” This must be a super top secret tactic, because literally the only google result for it I could find besides reports on her own press release was a fanfic for something called "bakugan battle brawlers." Gorilla Salad posted:drat, they came within a hair's breadth of that stupid "I'm an EMT!" lady getting shot, too. People do incredibly stupid things when they're in shock, but an EMT should know better than to try to run out or a car screaming when police and federal agents are pointing gun at you. That's the 18 year old Sharpe Singer, and moments earlier she asked "Why did they pull you over?" Gorilla Salad posted:EDIT - wait, EMT lady was the Von Trapp family singer girl? I can guarantee she's not a real EMT. GameCube has issued a correction as of 04:22 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:"go ahead and shoot me" "why'd you shoot me?"
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The sharps are from Kansas right? There is no Victoria sharp on the Kansas EMS registry.
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cumshitter posted:I'm surprised by how calm Ammon is during most of the video. Like, Finicum is dead and his only comments are, "Oh, no turns out I wasn't shot. Well, I guess we got lax and lazy. Once they let us go because we refuse joinder with our corporate persons we'll just try harder next time." I can honestly see that going through his head. He's got more than enough arrogance to have expected to be able to return to his little cult despite the FBI bearing down on him.
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red19fire posted:Which is great, because most constitutional scholars agree that most of the Founding Fathers were as close to atheist as one could get without being burned at the stake. theflyingorc has issued a correction as of 05:30 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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theflyingorc posted:uhhhh....no. Two of the most influential, Jefferson and Franklin, were deists or something like it - and a few others have question marks around them. The vast, vast majority of "Founding Fathers" were just as Christian as society was at that time. By modern evangelical standards that's as good as atheism. See also UUs and - depending on who you ask - Episcopalians and Catholics
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Geostomp posted:I can honestly see that going through his head. He's got more than enough arrogance to have expected to be able to return to his little cult despite the FBI bearing down on him. You can see the same thing happening with Lavoy in his last moments. He knew this was it and was already goading the FBI and the state patrol to shoot him. It makes me wonder what his composure would be like if they didn't kill him and instead got him with the taser or hit him with a couple beanbag and gas rounds. I'd imagine his death wish bravado transforming into a whimper.
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Epic High Five posted:By modern evangelical standards that's as good as atheism. See also UUs and - depending on who you ask - Episcopalians and Catholics
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cumshitter posted:I'm surprised by how calm Ammon is during most of the video. Like, Finicum is dead and his only comments are, "Oh, no turns out I wasn't shot. Well, I guess we got lax and lazy. Once they let us go because we refuse joinder with our corporate persons we'll just try harder next time."
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theflyingorc posted:...it's also 2 of them. Again, two of the most influential, but the list of "Founding Fathers" is a big list. Oh yeah it is, and some of them were bread and butter. Religiosity was pretty different back then, and I'm not sure even the more pious of them would land on their feet in the modern religious movement.
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the last song a great patriot decided to die to... great big worlds hold each other... gave him strength in his last moments when he dicided he wasnt gonna let no tyrant shove him round You give me chills and I can't imagine you leaving If I could build a perfect person honestly you would be it And you know nobody knows you like I know you I can't wait to come back home so I can hold you rip lavoy. we hold each other
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GameCube posted:"Did they shoot him? You assholes" That is some excellent felony stop verbal commands by Captain Shouty there. Only one person talking, clear, loud, unambiguous and repeated. Very nice.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:the magic words~ Alien, you have spoken the Words, and you have spoken them rightly We will tell you our reasons why we enslave all other sentient life.
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theflyingorc posted:uhhhh....no. Two of the most influential, Jefferson and Franklin, were deists or something like it - and a few others have question marks around them(Adams or Madison? One of the Jameses). The vast, vast majority of "Founding Fathers" were just as Christian as society was at that time. That's what I meant by 'as close to atheists as possible'.
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if all the founding fathers were raised today I wonder how many would be lost to video games/manchildhood
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never trust an elf posted:if all the founding fathers were raised today I wonder how many would be lost to video games/manchildhood same amount as today, probably, being a manchild isn't a new phenomenon 
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red19fire posted:That's what I meant by 'as close to atheists as possible'. Then your definition of that was stupid? Again, they were mostly religious men, with a few notable exceptions. Franklin and Jefferson were "as close to atheist as possible". The rest weren't.
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VikingSkull posted:same amount as today, probably, being a manchild isn't a new phenomenon Warhammer 40k is better than the fantasy setting imho.
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theflyingorc posted:Then your definition of that was stupid? Again, they were mostly religious men, with a few notable exceptions. Franklin and Jefferson were "as close to atheist as possible". The rest weren't. I was wondering where the d&d thread went but now I understand
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GameCube posted:"Did they shoot him? You assholes" "If you see a laser, keep it away from you." cumshitter posted:I'm surprised by how calm Ammon is during most of the video. Like, Finicum is dead and his only comments are, "Oh, no turns out I wasn't shot. Well, I guess we got lax and lazy. Once they let us go because we refuse joinder with our corporate persons we'll just try harder next time." It's Ryan, and a lot of people's response to other people freaking out in a crisis is to calm the gently caress down and try to get others to do the same. You can fault him for a lot, but at least he kept self trained EMT lady from getting herself killed.
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One of the big reasons why heroic people downplay their heroism is they just did whatever it was without really thinking about it. My buddies ran into a burning building years ago and were yanking people out, and they both said after that they didn't even realize what was happening until they were in the building. Humanity evolved in a weird way to cope with emergencies, and we're some of the only animals known to not only attempt rescues, but to do so recognizing the imminent threat to ourselves. It's pretty cool.
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The new meme being bandied about LaVoy's death is "Three Bullets in the Back" As if where he was shot has anything at all to do with whether the shooting was justified.
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theflyingorc posted:The new meme being bandied about LaVoy's death is "Three Bullets in the Back" Or that we have footage of this, and it shows that this rear end in a top hat pretty much brought it on himself by raising his hands, going for his gun, raising his hands, and then going for his gun again. Who the gently caress do they think they're fooling? The retarded arrogance is astonishing.
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:Or that we have footage of this, and it shows that this rear end in a top hat pretty much brought it on himself by raising his hands, going for his gun, raising his hands, and then going for his gun again. Who the gently caress do they think they're fooling? The retarded arrogance is astonishing. Uh, but he was shot in the back, that is COWARDLY also idiots are latching onto the bullets fired into the vehicle, and somewhat more stupidly latching onto the idea that they "kept firing at the vehicle with people inside" (when they were obviously using nonlethal methods). The fact that police action on TV doesn't look like real life means that anything that doesn't look like TV must be a conspiracy.
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theflyingorc posted:Uh, but he was shot in the back, that is COWARDLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePiZIKGUdXA
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Looks like I was mistaken. The rounds fired by the FBI agent(s) were not fired when the truck was approaching the barricade. Three rounds were fired at the truck (and hit it, but no occupants) as it approached, but were fired by the OSP. The two rounds in question were apparently fired around the time Finicum got out of the truck, one of which struck the roof and one of which missed completely. Still not sure why they lied, if they did. Maybe they were negligent discharges (possibly from an automatic weapon, accounting for two shots poorly aimed?), maybe the FBI guys didn't trust that the inquiry was led by the Deschuttes county sheriff instead of the Feds, maybe they were intentionally fired but the FBI agent(s) thought they would be difficult to articulate under the Garner standard. Or maybe there's an explanation I'm not seeing. There is no reason I can think of to hide the shots, it seems very unlikely they would have burned the agent(s) had they been properly disclosed. I can understand the motivation to panic and lie initially, but you'd think by the time you get to the HRT you're smarter than that. This extraneous bullshit will muddy the waters when they really are quite clear. Also, superseding indictment for Malheur: http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/03/09/SUPERSEDINGINDICT3916.pdf Gun possession in federal facility (5 years) charges for most everybody already indicted, use of firearms charges during commission of a crime for what appear to primarily leadership and the last holdouts (7 year mandatory minimum on top of other sentence) and theft charges for vehicles, equipment, and destruction of artifacts for a relatively small number of them (10 years max). Additionally one more defendant has been indicted but name is unknown. No telling whether this is the only superseding indictment or if others will come. Includes new charges for several people currently out on bail. Will be interesting to see if any of them don't come forward to face arraignment.
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Jesus Christ the foreperson needs to learn to write an 8 Does the length of the black box over MR BLANK's name indicate that he has a really short name or is that standard for censoring names in indictments?
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