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As someone who is interested in the cultural aspects and history of Go, where would I go (pun intended) to learn about such things?
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DJ Dizzy posted:As someone who is interested in the cultural aspects and history of Go, where would I go (pun intended) to learn about such things? John Fairbairn as an author
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Feb 16, 2016 18:00
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Added kirtar and misterfish to ITGO.
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Feb 16, 2016 18:35
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It looks like the OGS tournament system is making GBS threads itself since this tournament has been "starting" for almost four hours. Then again, on closer inspection it looks like it's an ongoing problem that also occurred last week with the weekly and monthly. On a different note, are there any decent options on bags to carry bowls and/or folding board? I'm eying the YMI bag right now since I'm still transporting bowls in a cardboard box.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:45
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i'm looking for cheap stones, or something cheap that could be used in place of stones. the 5$ fabric boards on gogameguru seem cool and i was gunna get some for trying to start a group, maybe, or just to have in case the impossible dream of a bunch of people wanting to learn go happens, but i dont know what to use for stones, and the cheapest stones arent cheap, that i can find. i'm talking like, 10$ or less.
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Feb 21, 2016 01:44
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Could probably get some glass stones from a crafts store, the kind people fill vases with. They're also popular for tabletop games, but I'm pretty sure they're cheaper at craft stores than gaming stores. I mean, they wouldn't be great, but they should be cheap.
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Feb 21, 2016 02:02
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totino boy posted:i'm looking for cheap stones, or something cheap that could be used in place of stones. the 5$ fabric boards on gogameguru seem cool and i was gunna get some for trying to start a group, maybe, or just to have in case the impossible dream of a bunch of people wanting to learn go happens, but i dont know what to use for stones, and the cheapest stones arent cheap, that i can find. i'm talking like, 10$ or less. Well, speaking of GoGameGuru, they've got a $9.99 board, bowls, and stones set. The board looks like absolute poo poo, but if you buy in bulk, the cheap stones might be worth it (even if they, too, are made of plastic) jivjov fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Feb 21, 2016 02:51
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Can I play go with you guys? My KGS name is animalmoth.
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Feb 25, 2016 21:46
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Feb 27, 2016 17:33
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haylee wrote a book you can sign up for a pre order here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Vgp7Uwq6FtUYTkvxfYgjrY_yi_nl7hzmRqDGffL-bGg/viewform?c=0&w=1
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Mar 5, 2016 04:27
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Played two 19x19 games today on KGS. The first was an atrocious game where I lost all my local battles due to sheer stupidity. However, I've been doing lots and lots of problems using this app in my spare time. I resigned the hopeless cause, got over my frustration and in my second game there are two plays I made that absolutely flummoxed my opponent and I can say this was 100% due to problem work. That app I linked to is great and there's an equivalent iOS version. It's clean and simple, has a decent number of free problems, and boatloads more for a modest price.
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Mar 7, 2016 00:11
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40 hours and counting to Yi Se-tol vs Deep Blue, livestream will be here in the most inconvenient hour of the day for your timezone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr3K2DORc8
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Mar 7, 2016 10:37
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o.m. 94 posted:40 hours and counting to Yi Se-tol vs Deep Blue, livestream will be here in the most inconvenient hour of the day for your timezone I'll probably watch the first hour or two. If only I didn't have a meeting in the morning.
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Mar 7, 2016 17:32
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can anyone explain to me why the end game moves of h6 and k5 were not played in this game? they seem to be worth a point each http://gokifu.com/s/avj-gokifu-20000721-Kim_Seungjun(7p)-Lee_Changho(9p).html
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Mar 8, 2016 01:20
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AlphaGo Chinese nickname 阿狗
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Mar 8, 2016 06:40
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Xom posted:AlphaGo Chinese nickname 阿狗 So a kirtar fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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Mar 9, 2016 03:03
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Hey I'm gonna put stones on a virtual goban on the world wide web at ITGO during the google match versus yee see doul and the stones will be in the same position until I get tired and fall asleep ok?
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Mar 9, 2016 03:57
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AlphaGo won the first match.
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Mar 9, 2016 08:33
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Lee Sedol resigned GG all hail new robot overlords ^^^^ 
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Mar 9, 2016 08:33
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Skynet wins.
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Mar 9, 2016 08:33
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WuChou posted:Skynet wins. I'd rather bone Sarah Conner and die a fiery death than live under Skynet EDIT: Any of you more expert players tell us what the score was before Lee Sedol resigned? I watched the last hour and it seemed very close. Overwined fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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Mar 9, 2016 08:35
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im no expert but judging from the comentators it seemed to be within a few points.
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Mar 9, 2016 08:39
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According to the korean 9-dan on the AGA stream, AlphaGo had a steady lead of at least 3-4 towards the end.
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Mar 9, 2016 08:41
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singe posted:According to the korean 9-dan on the AGA stream, AlphaGo had a steady lead of at least 3-4 towards the end. The 9-dan commentary guy on the YT channel said, about 4-6 moves before the resignation, "It's probably not as close as you think" to his neurotic, annoying foil.
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Mar 9, 2016 08:52
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well, I really didn't expect that in a million years. impressive... i slept through the match because it was at the worst possible time, has anyone got a game record. i wonder if it's just because go AI research was done by men in basements until google actually decided to throw some money at it?
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Mar 9, 2016 09:16
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I've started and stopped playing Go many times over the years and haven't played in ages at this point. I still woke up at 5am this morning to watch the game until I had to go to work. I missed the final moves but I still enjoyed watching what I could. Is KGS still the go to place if I want to play or did everyone move to OGS at this point?
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Mar 9, 2016 16:46
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o.m. 94 posted:well, I really didn't expect that in a million years. impressive... Yeah I mean, the best program before this was just one guy, Remi. To be honest image recognition is probably a harder problem so when Google trained that cannon on Go it was all over. I wonder if Facebook will still develop their engine.
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Mar 9, 2016 17:01
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o.m. 94 posted:well, I really didn't expect that in a million years. impressive... the whole stream is recorded on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr3K2DORc8 there's a record at the end of this https://gogameguru.com/alphago-defeats-lee-sedol-game-1/
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Mar 9, 2016 17:04
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Uncle Jam posted:Yeah I mean, the best program before this was just one guy, Remi. To be honest image recognition is probably a harder problem so when Google trained that cannon on Go it was all over. I wonder if Facebook will still develop their engine. I think you're downplaying it. Isn't the issue with go that there is something insane like 2^170 possible states so brute forcing it is basically impossible
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Mar 9, 2016 17:10
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:I think you're downplaying it. Isn't the issue with go that there is something insane like 2^170 possible states so brute forcing it is basically impossible yeah but image recognition is crazy hard too
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Mar 9, 2016 17:16
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Both image recognition and Go suffer the same problem in that yes, you can't brute force it. But brute forcing anything is always the entry-level solution, be it finding primes or trying to detect a dog in an image. The latter problem requires the system to effectively 'train' itself by running through as many images of dogs as possible, to get an idea of what a 'dog' is, much like a brain does. This approach applies well to Go too, as it is repeatedly fed game records to analyse. This machine learning approach for image recognition and Go AI is self-reinforcing and has a 'memory' of sorts, versus a naive brute force or simple probabilistic algorithm which has no memory or pattern recognition to rely on. Although as I understand it, AlphaGo's training is one facet of the system, as it uses probabilistic methods too to assist things, probably in cheaply narrowing down the problem space to something workable. There's loads of posts on the machine learning subreddit that actually understand this poo poo tho o.m. 94 fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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Mar 9, 2016 18:40
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As someone who works at Google (on the photos app), WOOOOOO MACHINE LEARNING!!!
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Mar 9, 2016 18:40
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Cicero posted:As someone who works at Google (on the photos app), WOOOOOO MACHINE LEARNING!!! Look at this guy, celebrating his own obsolescence.
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Mar 9, 2016 19:09
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:I think you're downplaying it. Isn't the issue with go that there is something insane like 2^170 possible states so brute forcing it is basically impossible This is just to solve strongly go. Even on an empty board you can do aggressive pruning to reduce possible moves. Anyway, the cool part is going to be when computers start showing certain openings to be sub optimal. Pro game will probably change a little bit.
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Mar 9, 2016 20:17
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Testiclops posted:the whole stream is recorded on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr3K2DORc8 Also the AGA has their own YouTube video with commentary in English on much of the game while it was being played.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:15
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Cicero posted:As someone who works at Google (on the photos app), WOOOOOO MACHINE LEARNING!!! Are you going to work with moot?
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Mar 9, 2016 22:26
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Could you add me the the ITGO list, KGS name is Freaksaus.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:03
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Freaksaus posted:Could you add me the the ITGO list, KGS name is Freaksaus. Got you
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Mar 10, 2016 01:43
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https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/707532443541225472
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here's the article he links to in the facebook post he links to which is on a website you must register for: New Scientist posted:MY TWO matches against the chess supercomputer Deep Blue in 1996 and 1997 were called “the brain’s last stand” and compared with everything from the first moon landing to the Terminator movies. I won the first time and, more famously of course, lost the rematch a year later, at which point IBM shut its project down.
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