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Hughlander posted:Sorry phone posting. I asked about it before either here or in the tell me the name of this story thread. However I also found out about it on these forums maybe this thread so I'm hoping someone recognizes it. Searching this thread isn't yielding any quick results. EDIT: But then it wouldn't if the person recommending it didn't also describe the plot like you did.
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TheWhiteNightmare posted:The White Ship is similar. I always preferred his dreamier works. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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Hughlander posted:I feel I asked this before. I had a recommendation for a weird tale. Radio telescope finds souls traveling after death to another planet where they are trapped in aliens bodies that drive them crazy due to their sense of id. Really want to reread it. It's not this one, is it? http://www.eldritchdark.com/writings/short-stories/167/the-planet-of-the-dead
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Hoooooly gently caress I just read The Cipher by Kathe Koja and I can't recommend it enough. It's the book about the hole you've probably heard of, greasy filthy hangover headache horror that's at once cosmic and abjectly, horribly mundane.
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General Battuta posted:Hoooooly gently caress I just read The Cipher by Kathe Koja and I can't recommend it enough. It's the book about the hole you've probably heard of, greasy filthy hangover headache horror that's at once cosmic and abjectly, horribly mundane. Yeah I read this recently and I had to finish it in one sitting. The last scene is whew.
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mdemone posted:Yeah I read this recently and I had to finish it in one sitting. The last scene is whew. It really is one of my favorite endings to anything ever.
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Skyscraper posted:It really is one of my favorite endings to anything ever. I had to go outside and get some fresh air at like 2AM. One of Koja's pieces of imagery there (Malcolm's face getting turned into viperfish teeth) really got to me for some reason, even though it's not a particularly remarkable idea.
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mdemone posted:I had to go outside and get some fresh air at like 2AM. One of Koja's pieces of imagery there (Malcolm's face getting turned into viperfish teeth) really got to me for some reason, even though it's not a particularly remarkable idea. I just really liked the conclusion (though I maybe should have figured it out before) of what the hole really IS.
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Helical Nightmares posted:I found The Outer Dark podcast. Revisiting this post. I ordered and finished Weird Tales of a Bangalorean by Jayaprakash Satyamurthy. This dude owns. I do recommend him. Had to wait for snail mail from Lulu to get this 80 page book. http://www.lulu.com/us/en/shop/jayaprakash-satyamurthy/weird-tales-of-a-bangalorean-2nd-edition/paperback/product-22467724.html He needs more polish to get to the level of Barron's/Ligotti's best; but he has his own distinctive voice. And what a voice it is quote:A slum, I discovered, is not made by the people in it -- instead, it makes them, shaping and moulding them until they fit its emould. It is a container that lends its shape to the sad human fluid poured within For $7 plus shipping and handling you get five stories and three poems. Stories are below Come Tomorrow My Saints are Down Dancer of the Dying The Song of The Eukarya A Threshold Hypothesis The only one that didn't knock my socks off was "Dancer of the Dying" and that was only because it is short. It sets up "The Song of The Eukarya" so read those in sequence. "Come Tomorrow" feels a little bit like a tale of the Arabian Nights gone horribly horribly wrong. "The Song of the Eukarya" has elements of the Music of Erich Zann and The Colour Out of Space while being wholly unique. "A Threshold Hypothesis" does the excellent job of tying the seemingly disparate stories into a cohesive mythos. Call it Satyamurthy's Bangalorean Cycle perhaps. Want a sample? A reading of "My Saints are Down" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C6SGtde54w
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So right now The Story Bundle says it's doing weird horror as a genre. I've never heard of any of these people before, is this worth buying? The initial titles in the Weird Horror Bundle (minimum $5 to purchase) are: The Art of Horrible People by John Skipp Skullcrack City by Jeremy Robert Johnson American Monster by J.S. Breukelaar The Pleasure Merchant by Molly Tanzer Where We Live and Die by Brian Keene If you pay more than $14, you also get: The Last Final Girl by Stephen Graham Jones Animal Money by Michael Cisco The Last Horror Novel in the History of the World by Brian Allen Carr Witch Hunt by Juliet Escoria Are these worth money / my time to read?
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The $5 tier is definitely worth it. Jones and Cisco are aces, but i can't say I'm familiar with the other two in the $14 tier, so I can't in good conscience recommend it.
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Skyscraper posted:Are these worth money / my time to read? I've read Skullcrack City and I really enjoyed it. Similar in style to John Dies at the End but with a slightly more mature sense of humor (i.e. less dick jokes). Thanks for the heads up on the bundle, I went for the $14 tier even though I haven't heard of the others.
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Ornamented Death posted:The $5 tier is definitely worth it. Jones and Cisco are aces, but i can't say I'm familiar with the other two in the $14 tier, so I can't in good conscience recommend it. Daveski posted:I've read Skullcrack City and I really enjoyed it. Similar in style to John Dies at the End but with a slightly more mature sense of humor (i.e. less dick jokes). This is high praise, I really liked John Dies at the End.
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Daveski posted:(i.e. less dick jokes). its losing points right off the bat
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Holy crap this looks awesome, I'm definitely buying it. I already have Skullcrack City, but I've actually been looking at two of the books in the bundle already(I love Michael Cisco) and was looking at the Pleasure Merchant as well.
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General Battuta posted:Hoooooly gently caress I just read The Cipher by Kathe Koja and I can't recommend it enough. It's the book about the hole you've probably heard of, greasy filthy hangover headache horror that's at once cosmic and abjectly, horribly mundane. Just dipped randomly into this thread for some light reading a few days ago, saw a couple comments praising this book and bought the kindle edition for $3. My impression so far: mildly over written but with an intriguing premise, and as I've continued to read the writing has grown on me. However, the protagonist is goony as gently caress and after reading only about 10% of the book I already desperately want to punch him in the face.
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EDIT - I have no idea how this turned into a double post, cosmic reality is collapsing around me moments after my first post in this thread 
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Helsing posted:Just dipped randomly into this thread for some light reading a few days ago, saw a couple comments praising this book and bought the kindle edition for $3. I'm reading it now, too. The protagonist is the sort of person who was cool as gently caress back in 1994. EDIT: Just checked, and the book's from 91. a foolish pianist fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Mar 20, 2016 |
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Helical Nightmares posted:Revisiting this post. I ordered this based on the quote about bars. I really like that line, and the general ability of cosmic horror to instill this feeling of dread into the mundane. It's like you don't have to look for the horror, it's already there and you just need someone to point it out for you. Now I'm kinda wondering about mixing cosmic horror with the political system and whether or not that's been done.
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GrandpaPants posted:I ordered this based on the quote about bars. I really like that line, and the general ability of cosmic horror to instill this feeling of dread into the mundane. It's like you don't have to look for the horror, it's already there and you just need someone to point it out for you. Cool! I really do hope you enjoy it. Though I also enjoy very critical analyses posted in this thread too. Re: Politics + Cosmic Horror only thing I could think of is the Nixon/Cosmic Horror book Crooked and Stross's Colder War but those use politics sort of as a backdrop. Ligotti's My Work Is Not Yet Done has office politics intersect with cosmic horror in a fantastic way.
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Helical Nightmares posted:Ligotti's My Work Is Not Yet Done has office politics intersect with cosmic horror in a fantastic way. Yeah I was definitely thinking about My Work Is Not Yet Done, although I sorta wish he had spent some more time waxing entropic about the corporate life. It's been a while since I read it though, so maybe I should reread it with my newfound "appreciation" of working in an office.
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Do you go insane because the Elder Gods or their minions are purposely messing with your head, or because you're seeing something completely unfathomable (such as non-euclidian geometry, or trying to wrap your head around the fact that human beings/consciousness/everything you know is utterly pointless in the grand scheme of the universe), or both? Or does it just depend on the author at the time?
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I spent an hour sitting in a meeting discussing the procedures and preparations of how to best inject test solutions into the eyes of approximately 40 rabbits, all of which will end up dead anyway because they need to autopsy them for the results. People were making jokes about it, but I wasn't sure whether it was a coping mechanism for the grim task set for them or just another dull expression of sadism in the name of science. It's essentially a look into how the sausage gets made, which has always been something lurking in the back of my mind, but to have it brought to the forefront has sorta unsettled me and put this sort of malaise on me. I don't know where that lands on the cosmic horror scale, but I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to adapt something like that 
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I worked in a medical library, and I've had similar thoughts inspired by a leaf through a manual dedicated to explaining all the various ways you can vivisect or dissect rats. Journal articles about injecting toxic substances into dogs just to see what kind of tumors might pop up. That sort of stuff. God's a scientist and we're the test subjects. God doesn't want people to suffer, it's just that suffering is not relevant to the cosmic question being asked. The universe is asking itself questions, questions completely incomprehensible to our puny minds, and human misery is just a tiny side effect.
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GrandpaPants posted:I spent an hour sitting in a meeting discussing the procedures and preparations of how to best inject test solutions into the eyes of approximately 40 rabbits, all of which will end up dead anyway because they need to autopsy them for the results. People were making jokes about it, but I wasn't sure whether it was a coping mechanism for the grim task set for them or just another dull expression of sadism in the name of science. I've done animal work before. Perfusions of mice/rats to harvest hippocampus in an Alzheimer model. It's not sadism. It's coping. Laughing and screaming are physiologically similar. If you want comparable stories, talk to the doctors that work in a morgue or a pathology lab. uber_stoat posted:God's a scientist and we're the test subjects. God doesn't want people to suffer, it's just that suffering is not relevant to the cosmic question being asked. The universe is asking itself questions, questions completely incomprehensible to our puny minds, and human misery is just a tiny side effect. On this topic broadly I highly recommend "Breeds There a Man" by Asimov. I've never considered it cosmic horror ... but it could fit in the category? It's really more speculative science fiction. Helical Nightmares fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Mar 21, 2016 |
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GrandpaPants posted:Now I'm kinda wondering about mixing cosmic horror with the political system and whether or not that's been done. e: It's even got rabbits.
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GrandpaPants posted:Now I'm kinda wondering about mixing cosmic horror with the political system and whether or not that's been done. Had another thought if you don't mind going historical. I'm a big fan of the movie Elizabeth (1998) which is a historical political thriller. Sherlock Homes plus Cthulhu with references to the Victorian age has been done by Neil Gaiman in "A Study in Emerald". http://www.neilgaiman.com/mediafiles/exclusive/shortstories/emerald.pdf Also someone made a board game? https://www.treefroggames.com/a-study-in-emerald  Gaiman also did an alt history marvel comics insert into the Elizabethan era called 1702. Cthulhu, Dr John Dee, the Elizabethan era politics and who the British really prayed to to kick up the "Protestant Wind" could be an interesting melting pot.
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I got the Annotated Lovecraft book for Christmas and it's pretty great. Really love his description of Arkham in Color Out of Space. I think it'd be neat to see a film adaptation of it that isn't horrible, but to get the color down I think they'd need to do some optical illusion effects with it where the special effects on screen are mostly in the audience's mind. I'm not even sure if that's possible but it'd be neat (and possibly seizure inducing). But I've discovered I can only read so much Lovecraft at a time before I'm reading paragraphs and paragraphs of description and not grasping anything he's saying. Also it'd be really refreshing if one of his protagonists was just some schlub and wasn't a young-ish no-nonsense no-time for girls NERD scholar who gets a hard on for old books and ancient archaeology. Like, it'd be great if it was just some guy from the country that's only read three books in his life. I'm not knocking Lovecraft, but he only seems to write very specific kinds of characters in very specific ways and seems to hate things like character development and basic human interaction.
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MrSlam posted:I'm not knocking Lovecraft, but he only seems to write very specific kinds of characters in very specific ways and seems to hate things like character development and basic human interaction. The guy wrote what he knew. He also wrote in a genre that, at the time, incentivized churning out a large quantity of very samey material. And he died pretty young.
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Ornamented Death posted:The guy wrote what he knew. He also wrote in a genre that, at the time, incentivized churning out a large quantity of very samey material. And he died pretty young. I can sympathize with that  I never realize it til later but a lot of the stuff I write tends to have the main characters develop the kind of same mental problems I have. At least he made it his own.It would've been neat to see what a Cold War era Lovecraft might write about. The brutality of WW2 coupled with the paranoia of the red scare might've made for some interesting stories.
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MrSlam posted:But I've discovered I can only read so much Lovecraft at a time before I'm reading paragraphs and paragraphs of description and not grasping anything he's saying. A lot of weird fiction can blend together if you are reading it all in one sitting. MrSlam posted:Also it'd be really refreshing if one of his protagonists was just some schlub and wasn't a young-ish no-nonsense no-time for girls NERD scholar who gets a hard on for old books and ancient archaeology. Like, it'd be great if it was just some guy from the country that's only read three books in his life. I'm not knocking Lovecraft, but he only seems to write very specific kinds of characters in very specific ways and seems to hate things like character development and basic human interaction. Ornamented Death posted:The guy wrote what he knew. He also wrote in a genre that, at the time, incentivized churning out a large quantity of very samey material. And he died pretty young.  The only Lovecraft story I can recall that has a female protagonist is the collaboration with Sonia Green, The Horror at Martin's beach. http://lovecraft.wikia.com/wiki/The_Horror_at_Martin%27s_Beach For a bit of a change of pace read Lovecraft's The Temple for a (I think) blackly humorous riff on a German officer. Then move on to Herbert West Re-animator.  Also see MR James if you want more clone protagonists in successive short stories. Helical Nightmares fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Mar 21, 2016 |
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It's a movie rather than a book but one of the things that makes the original 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre' noteworthy is that it simply applies slaughter house techniques to human beings rather than cattle without many dramatic flourishes or changes. If somebody hasn't yet made a movie that does something similar but with animal testing then I'd be surprised. A movie about people getting treated like lab mice or maybe a film where all the awful poo poo they do to test new shampoos and skin products on dogs get applied to humans could be fun to watch. a foolish pianist posted:I'm reading it now, too. The protagonist is the sort of person who was cool as gently caress back in 1994. Yeah, I had a very similar thought as I was reading -- especially right after it comes up for the first time that he works at a video store, which in retrospect has got to be one of the most instantly dated occupations you could give a protagonist. Still, this is one of those stories that is going to be easier to read knowing something awful is almost certainly going to happen to the sad sack protagonist. I like damaged protagonists but I hate the particular kind of slacker that this guy embodies. GrandpaPants posted:Yeah I was definitely thinking about My Work Is Not Yet Done, although I sorta wish he had spent some more time waxing entropic about the corporate life. It's been a while since I read it though, so maybe I should reread it with my newfound "appreciation" of working in an office. I found 'My Work Is Not Yet Done' to really be more about revenge and resentment, with the office setting being used as more of a backdrop. The focus of the tale is very much on the protagonists transformation and his revenge on the people who he feels wronged him. The actual substance of what ideas were stolen, why he was terminated, etc. are mostly glossed over and the bulk of the action is dedicated to the protagonists interactions with each of the 'seven dwarves'. In my paper back version of 'My Work Is Not Yet Done' there are two other Ligotti stories in the back, "I Have A Special Plan for this World" and "The Nightmare Network" and both of those are, in my opinion, much closer to straight up 'corporate horror'. I didn't find either of them to be particularly effective stories and like most of Ligotti's work I found myself admiring their experimentalism without finding them particularly engaging on a visceral level. BJPaskoff posted:Do you go insane because the Elder Gods or their minions are purposely messing with your head, or because you're seeing something completely unfathomable (such as non-euclidian geometry, or trying to wrap your head around the fact that human beings/consciousness/everything you know is utterly pointless in the grand scheme of the universe), or both? Or does it just depend on the author at the time? In most classic Lovecraft your existence barely registers with whatever Cyclopean entity you were unfortunate enough to encounter. Occasionally a lesser race of aliens might vivisect you because they've never seen a human before and are curious or they might abduct your mind across the gulfs of time and space to extract all your knowledge of human history, but any of the famous members of the Lovecraftian pantheon are unlikely to take notice of individual humans. Cthulhu, for instance, causes mass hallucinations and visions among the worlds entire population of artists and mental patients any time his island rises above the surface of the waves without any indication that he's doing anything on purpose. GrandpaPants posted:I ordered this based on the quote about bars. I really like that line, and the general ability of cosmic horror to instill this feeling of dread into the mundane. It's like you don't have to look for the horror, it's already there and you just need someone to point it out for you. I didn't find it particularly enjoyable to read, except as a historical curiosity, but Franz Kafka's "The Trial" would arguably qualify as exactly this. In fact most of Kafka's stories have a lot of similarity to cosmic or psychological horror. Ornamented Death posted:The guy wrote what he knew. He also wrote in a genre that, at the time, incentivized churning out a large quantity of very samey material. And he died pretty young. Practically every Lovecraft protagonist is a more or less subtle self-insert by Lovecraft himself. Typically they even have very similar biographies to him, in some cases they are literally acting out dreams Lovecraft had about himself. The other, very much related, issue with Lovecraft is that, much like Thomas Ligotti, he just doesn't like people and doesn't find them very interesting. He can't get into their heads because he's completely stuck in his own head, which is why on the one hand he has such a distinctive voice (like LIgotti) but also why, on the other hand, he tends to just write the exact same character over and over again (like Ligotti), resulting in stuff that's often very conceptually interesting but which doesn't always pull you in the way a less misanthropic author might (again, I'd say this is very reminiscent of Ligotti).
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Helsing posted:It's a movie rather than a book but one of the things that makes the original 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre' noteworthy is that it simply applies slaughter house techniques to human beings rather than cattle without many dramatic flourishes or changes. If somebody hasn't yet made a movie that does something similar but with animal testing then I'd be surprised. A movie about people getting treated like lab mice or maybe a film where all the awful poo poo they do to test new shampoos and skin products on dogs get applied to humans could be fun to watch. This sounds like a Skinny Puppy video. quote:In most classic Lovecraft your existence barely registers with whatever Cyclopean entity you were unfortunate enough to encounter. Occasionally a lesser race of aliens might vivisect you because they've never seen a human before and are curious or they might abduct your mind across the gulfs of time and space to extract all your knowledge of human history, but any of the famous members of the Lovecraftian pantheon are unlikely to take notice of individual humans. Cthulhu, for instance, causes mass hallucinations and visions among the worlds entire population of artists and mental patients any time his island rises above the surface of the waves without any indication that he's doing anything on purpose. I like the idea that Yog-Sothoth, for instance, is the unity of time and space personified and what's really flaying away your sanity is the concentrated understanding, on a level humans weren't meant to have, of what that means, like being fully exposed to the Total Perspective Vortex.
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Helsing posted:In my paper back version of 'My Work Is Not Yet Done' there are two other Ligotti stories in the back, "I Have A Special Plan for this World" and "The Nightmare Network" and both of those are, in my opinion, much closer to straight up 'corporate horror'. I didn't find either of them to be particularly effective stories and like most of Ligotti's work I found myself admiring their experimentalism without finding them particularly engaging on a visceral level. It's not corporate horror exactly, but I like Our Temporary Supervisor out of Ligotti's Teatro Grottesco more for workplace horror. A number of other stories in this collection have the same kind of feel, but aren't as explicitly work-related. Also, for some less-cosmic workplace horror, Bentley Little's The Consultant was an interesting attempt, and while I liked it, I can see why people wouldn't.
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Helical Nightmares posted:Also someone made a board game? https://www.treefroggames.com/a-study-in-emerald Just a note: that's the highly complex 1st Edition. 2nd Edition is much more streamlined and faster. Very much worth playing, although you won't get much of a cosmic horror vibe from it. Instead you get to blow up the eldritch Queen of London with dynamite.
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MrSlam posted:
Check out "Southern Gods" by John Horner Jacobs. Out of his depth mob goon chasing down eldritch horror in post WW2 Deep South. Lots of fun.
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Helsing posted:Practically every Lovecraft protagonist is a more or less subtle self-insert by Lovecraft himself. Typically they even have very similar biographies to him, in some cases they are literally acting out dreams Lovecraft had about himself. True as hell. Pickman's Model is the only story I can remember where he feels like he's trying for an narrative voice that isn't "just Howard Phillips Lovecraft with a different name"
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Helsing posted:I found 'My Work Is Not Yet Done' to really be more about revenge and resentment, with the office setting being used as more of a backdrop. The focus of the tale is very much on the protagonists transformation and his revenge on the people who he feels wronged him. The actual substance of what ideas were stolen, why he was terminated, etc. are mostly glossed over and the bulk of the action is dedicated to the protagonists interactions with each of the 'seven dwarves'. Yeah you are right. "I Have A Special Plan for this World" is much more corporate horror than "My Work Is Not Yet Done". Skyscraper posted:It's not corporate horror exactly, but I like Our Temporary Supervisor out of Ligotti's Teatro Grottesco more for workplace horror. A number of other stories in this collection have the same kind of feel, but aren't as explicitly work-related. Such a powerful story too. Short review  Laird Barron's Man with No Name: A Nanashi Novella http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01ATOL62M/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?ie=UTF8&btkr=1 106 pages I'm a Barron fan. This is skipable. A story about a Yakuza assassin who does a job and some weird things happen. Very short to it's detriment. More realistic/serious in tone than X's for Eyes or The Light Is The Darkness. Slightly better than those last two in my opinion but this story doesn't bring anything new or interesting to the table. To be frank there are a handful of stories in Children of the Old Leech by authors other than Barron that I recommend you read other than this. However, in the back of the Kindle edition is an excerpt from "Blood and Stardust". If anyone remembers the movie AI one of the main problems with the movie is that the director constantly hits the viewer over the head with "this is a Pinocchio" story. "Blood and Stardust" is Barron's take on Frankenstein and it suffers from the same sin at least in this excerpt. However the main character and style is interesting enough with ideas that are new to Barron that the excerpt was very engaging. I want to read more of it. However given Barron's recent track record, if "Blood and Stardust" is short I imagine it may suffer from the lack of a compelling narrative and resolution as well. Time will tell.
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GrandpaPants posted:I spent an hour sitting in a meeting discussing the procedures and preparations of how to best inject test solutions into the eyes of approximately 40 rabbits, all of which will end up dead anyway because they need to autopsy them for the results. People were making jokes about it, but I wasn't sure whether it was a coping mechanism for the grim task set for them or just another dull expression of sadism in the name of science. I still loving Love Human Centipede 1 because it's nothing but a comedy to me
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GrandpaPants posted:Now I'm kinda wondering about mixing cosmic horror with the political system and whether or not that's been done. Hunter S Thompson vs the Mythos, if you like Gonzo it's close and the story is good/great depending on how much you know about Nixon and Hoover.
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