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it's super dumb that raw milk is forbidden from sale in most states but sushi is not
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Mar 9, 2016 22:48
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's super dumb that raw milk is forbidden from sale in most states but sushi is not No, that makes sense actually.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:49
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It's almost like they're different products with different handling concerns or something.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:49
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's super dumb that raw milk is forbidden from sale in most states but sushi is not 
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Mar 9, 2016 22:51
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Rassle posted:USPOL Mar - Not FDA Approved Can we start a food health thread for all GMO/raw milk chat?
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Mar 9, 2016 22:51
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gohmak posted:Can we start a food health thread for all GMO/raw milk chat? There's a thread for GMOs already. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3556746&pagenumber=127#lastpost
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Mar 9, 2016 22:53
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's super dumb that raw milk is forbidden from sale in most states but sushi is not Not really.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:54
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You should all be lobbying lowtax for my moron list idea at this point. There is no excuse for this level of stupid.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:56
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What.. what is happening? Did Trump launch Trump Milk?
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Mar 9, 2016 22:56
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cheese eats mouse posted:Read and article today about a kid who died from meningitis because his parents went to a homeopathy "doctor" who literally prescribed maple syrup and water. I read about that, it was horrible. But as stupid as those people are, as angry as they make us, there's something they're saying that we have to listen to if we want to reduce the chances of this happening again. A lot of people turn to woo-woo snake oil "medicine" because of extremely bad, even traumatic experiences with mainstream medicine. Even ignoring the catastrophic expense and barriers to access, we don't train doctors to treat people with respect, and we don't put stock in making patients and their families feel like they have any agency in the treatment process. I remember once reading posts from a goon who worked as a medical advocate, who did things like communicating with families who had religious taboos against treatments like blood transfusions. Goons ripped him to shreds for saying his goal was to reach a compromise, because nothing less than total submission is acceptable in the face of something Objectively Correct like industrialized healthcare. Recently the imgur thread in PYF went off-topic when goons were outraged at the idea a lot of women find the way they're treated during the birth process in hospitals to be traumatic and dehumanizing. We can talk about how financially harmful our healthcare system is all we want, but anyone who suggests it might be emotionally or physically harmful too is a crazy loon who deserves what's coming to them. We spend so much time picking apart the mindset of people who vote against their own interests, and one thing that floats up again and again is the fact that for many people, feeling respected and in control is more important than anything else, even their own safety. We can yell about how wrong that is all we like, but they aren't going to change, and if we want to help them we have to stop acting like one day they'll just snap out of their mindset and start thinking like us right-thinkers. Every human naturally places emotion before facts - education is at its heart the long process of training ourselves to override that instinct when we need to. We need to change our medical industry to treat people with respect, to acknowledge fears and work around them, and to listen when people are complaining about actual harm instead of just telling them they don't know what they're talking about. For example, as ignorant and dangerous as the anti-vax movement is, I still think doctors who are willing to compromise with fearful parents and do a delayed vaccination schedule are doing the right thing - a kid who's fully vaccinated on a slower timeframe is better than a kid who isn't vaccinated at all.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:58
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Anosmoman posted:What.. what is happening? Did Trump launch Trump Milk? A bunch of legislators lifted a ban on raw milk, drank some raw milk, and got sick. Someone brought this up to laugh at them and a Serious Raw Milk Advocate saw the bat signal or something and leapt into action.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:58
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Anosmoman posted:What.. what is happening? Did Trump launch Trump Milk? Happy Milk Comes From Happy Trumps
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Mar 9, 2016 22:59
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GOP gets salmonella/listeria from celebratory Trump Steaks/Raw Milk, Obama recess nominates SCOTUS justice while congress is making GBS threads out of every oriface
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Mar 9, 2016 22:59
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Asimo posted:It's almost like they're different products with different handling concerns or something. well i guess it's just impossible to safely package and ship raw milk, this isn't a patchwork of laws left over from a time when milk was the only thing regularly consumed raw in a pre-refrigerated shipping era
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Mar 9, 2016 22:59
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Zerilan posted:Not really.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:00
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haveblue posted:A bunch of legislators lifted a ban on raw milk, drank some raw milk, and got sick. Someone brought this up to laugh at them and a Serious Raw Milk Advocate saw the bat signal or something and leapt into action. Next we should discuss laws limiting the number of shells in gun clips
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Mar 9, 2016 23:00
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Mr. Wookums posted:It will not be available in super markets or likely through any wholesaler, so like the status quo in a majority of states, you must seek it out to obtain. WV is a very rural state where a lot of people still heavily use small chain and mom & pop stores, farmers markets and co-ops, or restaurants big on buying from local farms.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:01
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to be fair i think drinking raw milk is irresponsible but i don't see the point of laws that prohibit one class of uncooked foodstuff while allowing others
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Mar 9, 2016 23:01
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twodot posted:Is the difference that raw milk is more susceptible to contamination or that we've built a culture of safety with regards to the preparation? Sushi being served out of some stall in a farmers market seems like a similar class of problem. Traditional sushi is only a few specific cuts of meat or fish prepared in a very specific way for a reason. Popular Thug Drink posted:to be fair i think drinking raw milk is irresponsible but i don't see the point of laws that prohibit one class of uncooked foodstuff while allowing others It should not be surprising that some types of foodstuffs have a higher risk of disease than others.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:03
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Popular Thug Drink posted:to be fair i think drinking raw milk is irresponsible but i don't see the point of laws that prohibit one class of uncooked foodstuff while allowing others Then it's good you don't work for the FDA, because it turns out a lot of things are more complicated than a layman's first assumption. hobbesmaster posted:Traditional sushi is only a few specific cuts of meat or fish prepared in a very specific way for a reason. It's also harder to unknowingly eat sushi.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:03
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Popular Thug Drink posted:well i guess it's just impossible to safely package and ship raw milk, this isn't a patchwork of laws left over from a time when milk was the only thing regularly consumed raw in a pre-refrigerated shipping era
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Mar 9, 2016 23:07
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Sushi also isn't considered a staple food for young children.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:07
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Mr. Wookums posted:it appeals to anyone's taste who has had better than Kraft cheese. Also please tell me how more children will have access to raw milk as an effect of WV's legislation? The worst Listeria outbreak in the last 30 or so years was on pasteurized mexican cheese iirc Coincidentally, raw milk has been highly restricteed in nearly all of the US for far longer than 30 years and up until very recently was only consumed by a miniscule part of the population. This obviously cannot have anything to do with the lack of major outbreaks. 
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Mar 9, 2016 23:07
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Popular Thug Drink posted:****MORON***** I think i can see this working!
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Mar 9, 2016 23:07
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When is the FDA gonna loving ban raw apples?
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Mar 9, 2016 23:08
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I demand the right to sell sushi made from trout I fish out of my backyard creek
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Mar 9, 2016 23:09
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When you think about it drinking Milk at all is really hosed up.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:11
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alpha_destroy posted:When is the FDA gonna loving ban raw apples? I'm allergic to raw apples (not apple juice or applesauce) so if you want to trot me out in front of the cameras for this I'm game.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:12
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haveblue posted:I demand the right to sell sushi made from trout I fish out of my backyard creek I got some fresh chicken tartare to go with that. Zombie Samurai posted:I'm allergic to raw apples (not apple juice or applesauce) so if you want to trot me out in front of the cameras for this I'm game. Finally, we can make the children safe.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:12
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After the last few pages, I can see why Trump is catching on. Prions.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:14
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Oh wow several new pages I wonder what- 
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Mar 9, 2016 23:14
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I think the problem with our medical system is people are dumb and love magical thinking. If you go to a mechanic and have no idea how cars work you are going to get ripped off.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:16
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McDowell posted:I think the problem with our medical system is people are dumb and love magical thinking. If you go to a mechanic and have no idea how cars work you are going to get ripped off. Something something government something something free market
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Mar 9, 2016 23:18
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I told my coworker who owns a small dairy farm about the WV raw milk law and the lawmakers getting sick. She said they are stupid, people who think raw milk is really good for you are stupid, and farmers who sell raw milk to the public should be arrested because they create public health hazards. I figure she knows what she is talking about.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:19
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quick, someone post a tweet or something
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Mar 9, 2016 23:20
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you can order rare hamburger in most restaurants, there's just a disclaimer on the menu. it's just an inconsistent application of the law that people are defending because they want to stick it to hippies or whatever goofy stereotype they're angry at
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Mar 9, 2016 23:21
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Tempest_56 posted:Coincidentally, raw milk has been highly restricteed in nearly all of the US for far longer than 30 years and up until very recently was only consumed by a miniscule part of the population. This obviously cannot have anything to do with the lack of major outbreaks. Zerilan posted:WV is a very rural state where a lot of people still heavily use small chain and mom & pop stores, farmers markets and co-ops, or restaurants big on buying from local farms. Hollismason posted:When you think about it drinking Milk at all is really hosed up.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:22
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The CDC has a whole section about raw milk, including some information about states legalizing it and the possible risks that presents.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:24
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Mr Hootington posted:I told my coworker who owns a small dairy farm about the WV raw milk law and the lawmakers getting sick. She said they are stupid, people who think raw milk is really good for you are stupid, and farmers who sell raw milk to the public should be arrested because they create public health hazards. I figure she knows what she is talking about. Yeah, I live and work in WV. My boss owns a small farm and is very unhappy with the legislation.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:24
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Popular Thug Drink posted:you can order rare hamburger in most restaurants, there's just a disclaimer on the menu. it's just an inconsistent application of the law that people are defending because they want to stick it to hippies or whatever goofy stereotype they're angry at Do you seriously not understand how food safety could be more complex than what you're coming up with off the top of your head?
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Mar 9, 2016 23:27
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