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The Landstander posted:And criminal justice reform! They also singlehandedly fund a lot of art centers across the country. They're basically really good on everything -but- their one pet issue, which they are disgustingly bad about.
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Rexicon1 posted:I'm looking right now for actual statistical evidence of people who have shifted their political beliefs such that centrism of the modern democrats no longer appeals to them. Anybody got any? i thought bernies name recognition was bad but not THIS bad!!
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Feral Integral posted:His battle right now is to beat Hillary, not to change trump/cruz supporters minds (hint: their beliefs are not based in fact-based rationality) If he's up against Trump he needs to be able to convince anti-Trump people on the right that he's safe to vote for. If he's up against Cruz he needs to convince pro-Trump people that the few things he and Trump agree upon are worth giving him a vote even though he's a socialist boogieman. You're right though, neither of those groups are grounded in reality, so who the gently caress knows. It's not as if he's gonna pull off getting the nomination anyway.
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Someone should measure the weirdly random amount of time they gave candidates to answer questions. For the latter half it felt like they were panicking and cutting Bernie off every few seconds. They weren't all that great with Hillary, either. The Benghazi question was just a huge waste of time, and Bernie ended up taking his share of that dumb time to instead talk about foreign policy intervention that isn't a dishonest GOP attack line.
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Commie NedFlanders posted:non stop hand wringing and talking about delegate counts and how it doesn't really matter because hillary is inevitable so the key to victory is the state that neighbors the most states?
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Venom Snake posted:Anyway before i got to bed Go to bed,  chucklefuck.
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Tercio posted:Open question: Do Hillary fans support her because of her proposals/policies or just because they like Hillary and want her to pick up a W? I literally don't know a single honest Hillary supporter personally and I have no idea what animates that base to support her. All I can assume is its political ennui and "whatever, nothing matters"
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I only read these thread reactions, but if it made Joe feel the bern and Venom Snake call Hillary out of touch, then he must have absolutely killed out there.
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like pretty much every poll has shown a majority of bernie supporters would vote Clinton in general and visa versa so I can't be the only person in YCS that would happily vote for either 
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Neurolimal posted:I only read these thread reactions, but if it made Joe feel the bern and Venom Snake call Hillary out of touch, then he must have absolutely killed out there. I don't think he killed as much as Hillary fumbled some balls.
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Rexicon1 posted:I literally don't know a single honest Hillary supporter personally and I have no idea what animates that base to support her. All I can assume is its political ennui and "whatever, nothing matters" Where i live, 40+ year old white women are desperate to see a woman president, that's about it, they can't explain why she's a good candidate.
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Tercio posted:Open question: Do Hillary fans support her because of her proposals/policies or just because they like Hillary and want her to pick up a W? its because of  YAAAAAASE
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Rexicon1 posted:I literally don't know a single honest Hillary supporter personally and I have no idea what animates that base to support her. All I can assume is its political ennui and "whatever, nothing matters" I don't know anybody that voted for [insert candidate here] how did they get elected??????
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Venom Snake posted:like pretty much every poll has shown a majority of bernie supporters would vote Clinton in general and visa versa so I can't be the only person in YCS that would happily vote for either nice meltdown
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If you don't vote for Trump or Sanders then you're an ignorant, Orwellian prole.
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Neurolimal posted:I only read these thread reactions, but if it made Joe feel the bern... then he must have absolutely killed out there. Uh hi, I've supported Bernie since like forever, voted for him many times, including on March 1, 2016.
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Terror Sweat posted:so the key to victory is the state that neighbors the most states? Missourimentum.
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Neurolimal posted:I only read these thread reactions, but if it made Joe feel the bern joe is like bernies next door neighbor
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*Hilary once more proves that she's a lovely candidate/I hope she does better in the general debating Trump *Bernie once more reveals that he is indeed a comrade at heart and stands with the socialists of Cuba against the imperialists and the exiled counter-revolutionaries in Miami Given how this election cycle is he probably just won Flordia
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on the one hand i really appreciate bernie sanders taking such a strong and principled stand against capitalist hegemony and revitalizing the legacy of Dr King by continuing the struggle he championed before his untimely death on the other hand, 
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Venom Snake posted:I don't know anybody that voted for [insert candidate here] how did they get elected?????? In the case of Hillary, she and her husband built a political machine appeasing special interest groups.
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i mean a lot of folks still think greater racial/gender/etc diversity at the very tippy top will help equity trickle down to the rest of us. its totally wrong but is a popular notion
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idk i think hil killed cuzzz she lied about his record and called him a red and that's very pragmatic and smart strat so def ez win imo
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special interest groups other wise known as "minorities"
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Venom Snake posted:I don't know anybody that voted for [insert candidate here] how did they get elected?????? Which of Hillary Clinton's policies keep you on the fence about her and Bernie. I'm literally curious and I ask with no judgement.
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Commie NedFlanders posted:on the one hand i really appreciate bernie sanders taking such a strong and principled stand against capitalist hegemony and revitalizing the legacy of Dr King by continuing the struggle he championed before his untimely death lmfao Bernie is more reminiscent of Che & Lenin, not loving MLK.
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See the best thing bernie could possibly do after he loses is campaign strongly for congressmen and senators to take up his mantle in congress given his enormous prestige with young people and get a tea party of the left going But nah he's not gonna do that cuz that's too much to hope for
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Joementum posted:Missourimentum. Actually a fairly good bellwether typically; other than when Obama lost it in '08 and still won, whoever wins Missouri has won the general for a long time, I think nearly a century iirc
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Immortan posted:lmfao Bernie is more reminiscent of Che & Lenin, not loving MLK. i always thought he was more of mao, myself
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Commie NedFlanders posted:on the one hand i really appreciate bernie sanders taking such a strong and principled stand against capitalist hegemony and revitalizing the legacy of Dr King by continuing the struggle he championed before his untimely death come on bernie, wtf 
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Che and Lenin would have considered Bernie to be a pawn of the bourgeoise. MLK was a social democrat.
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McGlockenshire posted:If he's up against Trump he needs to be able to convince anti-Trump people on the right that he's safe to vote for. it's the economy stupid even Republicans admit they like how honest Bernie is if it comes down to a principled, dignified, well mannered old man telling the truth about the economy vs donald j trump's yuuge hands......well Trump is a manifestation of all of the stupid right wing attacks for the past 2 decades, which have been crafted and created specifically to cripple the Clintons if it's not clinton, but rather someone with none of her weaknesses, then the entire trump magic fades away
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i don't know much about fracking but am i wrong to think that the locally un-opposed, ecologically harmless fracking that HRC would theoretically support is a metaphorical leprechaun heres my conspiracy theory HRC: you may only frack if you follow these guidelines, which ensure that no environmental harm occurs *guidelines do not actually ensure that no environmental harm occurs* *people get hosed but the fracking industry gets a nice return on investment*
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Venom Snake posted:special interest groups other wise known as "minorities" *Gives 100k to the Dolores Huerta foundation which employs her daughter* *Helps black congressmen fund raise from lobbying groups*
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Commie NedFlanders posted:on the other hand, i hate that loving shirt so god drat much
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Bernie is basically a D&D poster which is to say he's a 60s new left hippie who had a hardon for Socialism of USSR and Cuba and willing to excuse the fact that they were dictatorships cuz they were left-wing enough. And he never gave that up even though it's 2016. So I guess it's more accurate D&D tries to emulate bernie
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Rexicon1 posted:Which of Hillary Clinton's policies keep you on the fence about her and Bernie. I'm literally curious and I ask with no judgement. I'm not on the fence, I voted for Bernie in the VA primary because I think the party should shift to the left. I just support Hillary because 1. She is right on some thing Obama has been wrong on and 2. Obama freely admits it. She isn't the perfect candidate, but that isn't going to stop me from doing my best to bring about a D win in November. I think the issue here is I genuinely do not dislike hillary were as a very very large amount of people here do so when we talk about this poo poo were coming at it from vastly different angles.
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Commie NedFlanders posted:it's the economy stupid
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Shear Modulus posted:i always thought he was more of mao, myself Well, we know he's not Pol Pot because he said it was 2016, not Year Zero.
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