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some texas redneck posted:Some chucklefuck decided most of the interior bits on my car need to be attached with screws with a 7mm head. Nah, that's 9/32". :P GM does that with every interior. Ford, too, for that matter.
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veedubfreak posted:Gotta keep a 32mm around too for the gland nut and the axle bolts. One thing I always thought was nifty was on stuff where you have to use 2 wrenches, VW was nice enough to make the bolt and nut 2 different sizes, so as to not require you to have 2 17mm or 19mm wrenches. That's loving infuriating because when you bump into one of those with your ratchet and it doesn't fit over the fastener, you always grab the wrong loving spanner and have to make two trips. Or you stick your ratchet on it, work out its 19mm, go get a 19 to match it on the other side and it doesn't loving fit!
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Mar 9, 2016 13:48
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Ferremit posted:That's loving infuriating because when you bump into one of those with your ratchet and it doesn't fit over the fastener, you always grab the wrong loving spanner and have to make two trips. Or you stick your ratchet on it, work out its 19mm, go get a 19 to match it on the other side and it doesn't loving fit! This. I have plenty of sockets and matching wrenches. Do they think that I'm going to use two wrenches on it or something?
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Mar 9, 2016 16:20
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EightBit posted:This. I have plenty of sockets and matching wrenches. Do they think that I'm going to use two wrenches on it or something? Well, back in the 50s and 60s, yes, you probably did use 2 wrenches. Remember, the bug was designed in the 30s and basically only made tiny changes to asthetics for the next 40 years.
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Mar 9, 2016 20:56
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veedubfreak posted:Well, back in the 50s and 60s, yes, you probably did use 2 wrenches. that's why I think beetle are a great car for learning the basics of mechanical work. They're simple enough but still have maintenance items That are still mostly found in modern cars.
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Mar 10, 2016 01:39
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Veeb0rg posted:that's why I think beetle are a great car for learning the basics of mechanical work. They're simple enough but still have maintenance items That are still mostly found in modern cars. Yup, why I taught my son wrenching by rebuilding a '68 when he was 15. Still have that car, seven years on.  He's the only one in his age group that knows how to adjust valve timing and points.
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Mar 10, 2016 03:22
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That's a pretty bad condition '68, it doesn't even have a body anymore.
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Mar 10, 2016 03:42
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xzzy posted:That's a pretty bad condition '68, it doesn't even have a body anymore. You underestimate "period correct" restoration effort.
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Mar 10, 2016 04:20
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Ferremit posted:That's loving infuriating because when you bump into one of those with your ratchet and it doesn't fit over the fastener, you always grab the wrong loving spanner and have to make two trips. Or you stick your ratchet on it, work out its 19mm, go get a 19 to match it on the other side and it doesn't loving fit! Is it normal to only have 1 of each size of wrench? What if you lose/break one? I have at least two of every wrench in my tool box, up to 24mm and 1 1/8". More if you count the stubby wrenches, the wrenches I've hacked into stubbies, the gear wrenches, the stubby gear wrenches. I second that it pisses me off when the bolt and the nut take different size wrenches.
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Mar 10, 2016 05:46
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EKDS5k posted:I second that it pisses me off when the bolt and the nut take different size wrenches. When you install some Whiteline parts (thinking endlinks here), not only do they change the OEM hardware out for different head sizes, but they also often don't have a matching nut and bolt.
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Mar 10, 2016 05:53
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Thats another thing that pisses me off- We've been a metric country since 1971, WHY DO ALL THE HARDWARE STORES STILL SELL AF loving HARDWARE??? I dont WANT a 1/2" bolt, I want an M12 bolt, Because an M12 bolt will fit through a 12mm hole in a board neatly, a 1/2" you need to hammer the loving thing through.
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Mar 10, 2016 09:13
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Ferremit posted:Thats another thing that pisses me off- We've been a metric country since 1971, WHY DO ALL THE HARDWARE STORES STILL SELL AF loving HARDWARE??? Because you dumb fucks insisted on making metric cars with an entirely imperial engine right up till 2000 and it's your national treasure brand 
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Mar 10, 2016 09:50
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Ferremit posted:Thats another thing that pisses me off- We've been a metric country since 1971, WHY DO ALL THE HARDWARE STORES STILL SELL AF loving HARDWARE??? Look on the bright side, they could be selling Metric, AF and Whitworth. We have a Ford tractor that they built with a Jap engine. It's great fun to work on, as everything on the engine is metric, and everything else is AF.
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Mar 10, 2016 09:59
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I'm sitting here imagining "AF" stands for "American Fuckery" and I'm not sure I want to be corrected 
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Mar 10, 2016 10:27
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homebrew posted:Look on the bright side, they could be selling Metric, AF and Whitworth. THEY DO! I had to buy some fixings for a table for work the other day- coarse timber thread one end, standard thread the other end- you use them to fix legs to tables and the like. Thread was 5/16" WHITWORTH Slavvy posted:Because you dumb fucks insisted on making metric cars with an entirely imperial engine right up till 2000 and it's your national treasure brand I was going to say that most people dont shop for fastners for their cars at bunnings, but considering your average VN commodore owner, they probably have cheese grade zenith galv coachbolts holding suspension components in...
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Mar 10, 2016 12:28
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Ferremit posted:THEY DO! Hey, I got some M6 cap screws at Bunnings for mounting some sensors with and they're metric grade 10.9 
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Mar 10, 2016 13:37
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EKDS5k posted:Is it normal to only have 1 of each size of wrench? What if you lose/break one? I have at least two of every wrench in my tool box, up to 24mm and 1 1/8". More if you count the stubby wrenches, the wrenches I've hacked into stubbies, the gear wrenches, the stubby gear wrenches. In all likelihood, the Beetle was designed with roadside repair in mind. It's awesome that you have twelve 17mm wrenches in your garage, less awesome when you only have one in the toolkit in your frunk.
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Mar 10, 2016 16:23
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homebrew posted:Look on the bright side, they could be selling Metric, AF and Whitworth. Ever work on a jeep? A 4.0L starter has one metric bolt and one SAE bolt. The metric bolt goes into the starter, the SAE bolt goes into the bellhousing of the transmission that is 100% metric fasteners because it was built by Aisin Warner. The transfer case is 100% metric hardware internally but is bolted to the transmission (which is also 100% metric hardware) by SAE threaded studs.
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Mar 10, 2016 16:39
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Safety Dance posted:In all likelihood, the Beetle was designed with roadside repair in mind. It's awesome that you have twelve 17mm wrenches in your garage, less awesome when you only have one in the toolkit in your frunk. In olden times you could get this neat little guy that replaced the hubcap on your spare tire.  Also, it was super fun trying to find correct ball seat lug bolts for my Porsche alloy knockoffs. Everything is cone now, so finding ball seat in the correct size is a bitch.
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Mar 10, 2016 16:48
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kastein posted:Ever work on a jeep? A 4.0L starter has one metric bolt and one SAE bolt. The metric bolt goes into the starter, the SAE bolt goes into the bellhousing of the transmission that is 100% metric fasteners because it was built by Aisin Warner. Working on Fords used to drive me crazy because of that kind of stuff. It was a great day when I realized my Corvette was 100% SAE, and 95% 3/8 or 1/2. So far everything on my '12 Jeep is metric except the oil drail and battery clamps (1/2"). Most of it seems to be 10 or 13mm, except the loving oil filter which is 24mm for some reason.
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Mar 10, 2016 16:56
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Don't forget the seat belt bolts. As I understand it, the US hasn't re-written their awfully written standards on that so manufacturers have to use exactly the size SAE thread that was written back in ye olden times.
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Mar 10, 2016 17:37
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homebrew posted:Look on the bright side, they could be selling Metric, AF and Whitworth. Guess what size and thread many replacement limbs use? Motherfucking Whitworth.
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Mar 10, 2016 17:44
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Motronic posted:Don't forget the seat belt bolts. As I understand it, the US hasn't re-written their awfully written standards on that so manufacturers have to use exactly the size SAE thread that was written back in ye olden times. Shut your whore mouth. God's seatbelts are fastened with 7/16-20 fasteners, and he won't hear any debate on the topic. 
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Mar 10, 2016 17:45
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Savington posted:Shut your whore mouth. God's seatbelts are fastened with 7/16-20 fasteners, and he won't hear any debate on the topic. God is omnipotent and omnipresent. Why would he need seatbelts? Edit: hey Leviticus 21:17. It's right there. Jonny Nox fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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Mar 10, 2016 18:31
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Jonny Nox posted:God is omnipotent and omnipresent. Why would he need seatbelts? Do you have any idea how badly crashing an infinite amount of cars everywhere will gently caress you up?
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Mar 10, 2016 18:33
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Motronic posted:Don't forget the seat belt bolts. As I understand it, the US hasn't re-written their awfully written standards on that so manufacturers have to use exactly the size SAE thread that was written back in ye olden times. You're correct. 7/16-20 or 1/2-13 are written into federal law as seatbelt fasteners IIRC. It's somewhere in US 49 CFR 571.2xx I believe.
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Mar 10, 2016 18:40
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kastein posted:Ever work on a jeep? A 4.0L starter has one metric bolt and one SAE bolt. The metric bolt goes into the starter, the SAE bolt goes into the bellhousing of the transmission that is 100% metric fasteners because it was built by Aisin Warner. Can't say I have ever worked on a Jeep, but I have worked on many tractors in my time, which from what I've heard is much the same thing.....
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Mar 12, 2016 04:10
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kastein posted:Ever work on a jeep? A 4.0L starter has one metric bolt and one SAE bolt. The metric bolt goes into the starter, the SAE bolt goes into the bellhousing of the transmission that is 100% metric fasteners because it was built by Aisin Warner. and what makes it even more fun is the room to only get 2-3 clicks on the ratchet. My little power ratchet makes changing starters so much faster.
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Mar 12, 2016 04:57
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homebrew posted:Can't say I have ever worked on a Jeep, but I have worked on many tractors in my time, which from what I've heard is much the same thing..... I think tractors rust less.
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Mar 12, 2016 07:28
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Until you have experience with tri-wing screws, you can all quit your bitching. Nothing like a titanium #5 tri-wing with a stripped head.
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Mar 12, 2016 07:32
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MrYenko posted:Until you have experience with tri-wing screws, you can all quit your bitching. Nothing like a titanium #5 tri-wing with a stripped head. gently caress those so much. "hey you know what would make a phillips better? one less tang and a zigzag"
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Mar 12, 2016 07:45
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H110Hawk posted:Socket chat loving lol I legit think this is that place i worked at for like a month, any more info?
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Mar 12, 2016 08:06
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literally a fish posted:gently caress those so much. "hey you know what would make a phillips better? one less tang and a zigzag" "And let's make the drive bit torque out of the fastener when you turn it counterclockwise, instead of clockwise, like it loving should. Oh, and let's make it not torque out at all when you turn it clockwise; That way, any animal with a screwdriver can gently caress the fastener into another dimension, and give the next guy absolutely no options that don't involve pain and power tools."
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Mar 12, 2016 13:09
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Or you can be Apple and use #0000 tri-wing screws that are impossible to remove without stripping them out.
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Mar 12, 2016 13:26
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I still want to see someone make and use external pentalobe security torxplus on something. Not sure how the security feature would work on an external head though.
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Mar 12, 2016 15:42
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MrYenko posted:Until you have experience with tri-wing screws, you can all quit your bitching. Nothing like a titanium #5 tri-wing with a stripped head. I guess you haven't experienced Apple's creation, the pentalobe:  Why won't this drat torx screw come out?!?!?!
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Mar 12, 2016 16:46
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Nomex posted:I guess you haven't experienced Apple's creation, the pentalobe: There's literally nothing wrong with the pentalobe as a screw type though, not anything that isn't wrong with torx too at least. Trying to use a torx driver to get it out is an operator failure, not a mechanical one
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Mar 12, 2016 17:28
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literally a fish posted:There's literally nothing wrong with the pentalobe as a screw type though, not anything that isn't wrong with torx too at least. Trying to use a torx driver to get it out is an operator failure, not a mechanical one When I needed to fix my Iphone I just used the tip of a knife to get them in and out.
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Mar 12, 2016 19:03
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Nomex posted:I guess you haven't experienced Apple's creation, the pentalobe: everyone's gotta be different. gently caress no, we won't use torque screws, let's make the user get yet another set of tools.
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Mar 12, 2016 19:06
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kastein posted:I still want to see someone make and use external pentalobe security torxplus on something. Not sure how the security feature would work on an external head though. Obviously, a miniaturized clutch that must be depressed with a keyed peg in the center of the socket to engage the shaft.
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