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zoux posted:But everyone is unhappy and tragic all the time? hmmmmmm nah
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The Internet is terrible. 
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Mar 10, 2016 20:28
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Troposphere posted:hmmmmmm Yeah that's what I thought.
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Mar 10, 2016 20:29
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hollylolly posted:The Internet is terrible. The horror.
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Mar 10, 2016 20:32
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Just ignore tropo. Her lady boner hasn't gone soft yet.
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Mar 10, 2016 20:41
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esperterra posted:Just ignore tropo. Her lady boner hasn't gone soft yet. my lady boner never goes soft it is rock hard 24/7
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Mar 10, 2016 20:42
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it's kinda telling how literally all the people screaming "look at the crazy lesbians!" are (presumably) straight men
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Mar 10, 2016 20:47
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Troposphere posted:my lady boner never goes soft it is rock hard 24/7 Clitoral priapism is a real thing and while it won't kill you dead anytime soon, you should probably get a medical opinion on the matter.
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Mar 10, 2016 20:48
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The Iron Rose posted:it's kinda telling how literally all the people screaming "look at the crazy lesbians!" are (presumably) straight men I'm a lesbian. I know crazy lesbians better than anyone. e: fwiw anyway. I'm sure in other threads someone would yell internalized patriarchy at me if I tried to justify my opinion with 'well i'm a lesbian too and think the way they handled lexa's char and needing to be written off was a big step forward for gay representation' esperterra fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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Mar 10, 2016 20:48
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The Iron Rose posted:it's kinda telling how literally all the people screaming "look at the crazy lesbians!" are (presumably) straight men It's not that they're lesbians. It's that they're crazy.
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Mar 10, 2016 20:49
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The Iron Rose posted:it's kinda telling how literally all the people screaming "look at the crazy lesbians!" are (presumably) straight men Make the case then instead of trying to yet again make a subjective discussion objectively problematic.
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Mar 10, 2016 20:51
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Like I wasn't kidding before when I said people who act like this over a character death (gay, straight or otherwise) all remind me of Kathy Bates in Misery. I mean it's hilarious and all but after a point it gets kind of ridiculous and frustrating, and all the crazy vocal minorities on the internet generalizing poo poo to make it seem all lesbians (or whichever group in whichever situation) are a hivemind eventually gets to be a bit much.
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Mar 10, 2016 20:53
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Hmmm pretty telling how all the people that don't agree with me are Literally Hitlers. Sad, imo.
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Mar 10, 2016 20:55
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The Iron Rose posted:it's kinda telling how literally all the people screaming "look at the crazy lesbians!" are (presumably) straight men Almost as if one's a majority and one isn't.
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Mar 10, 2016 20:57
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My essay on why all these lesbians complaining about representation should be put in an asylum, by whiteguy von twentysomething
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Mar 10, 2016 21:47
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Monicro posted:My essay on why all these lesbians complaining about representation should be put in an asylum, by whiteguy von twentysomething Except nobody has been saying that so
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Mar 10, 2016 21:48
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Nooo esper we werent supposed to directly respond to eachother you know the rules
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Mar 10, 2016 21:49
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Monicro posted:Nooo esper we werent supposed to directly respond to eachother you know the rules There are no rules bae ;3 e: ;3;3;3;3;3;3;3;3
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Mar 10, 2016 21:52
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In any case tho this is the post i was mainly referring to, in which a dude who apparently reads 4chan tells a lesbian what is best for representationzoux posted:But everyone is unhappy and tragic all the time?
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Mar 10, 2016 21:53
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Monicro posted:In any case tho this is the post i was mainly referring to, in which a dude who apparently reads 4chan tells a lesbian what is best for representation Interesting that you mention case because this would be the second time you didn't make a case and instead tried to imply that I'm homophobic or something.
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Mar 10, 2016 21:55
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we got too many queer women in here, I hope no one has a gun because if we're not careful one of us is going to end up tragically shot by a stray bullet
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Mar 10, 2016 21:56
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zoux posted:Interesting that you mention case because this would be the second time you didn't make a case and instead tried to imply that I'm homophobic or something. I'm still waiting for you to explain that follow-up btw
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Mar 10, 2016 21:59
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Monicro posted:I'm still waiting for you to explain that follow-up btw Yeah I bet, I bet you have an amazing counterthesis just stacked with examples and empirical evidence but you just can't reveal it, not until your conditions are met. Well, bad news, I guess the world is just going to have to go without.
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Mar 10, 2016 22:01
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I agree with zoux, though. Trotting out that trope every time a gay person dies regardless of context does nothing to help representation. The idea that gay characters aren't allowed to die or can't die unless they were happy for x amount of episodes beforehand is just silly, and expecting people to hamstring the writing process imho would likely lead to less gay characters on tv rather than more. If I was writing a book or a movie or show and somebody told me 'oh just fyi, if you have any gay characters in this they're exempt from death or unhappiness' I just would rather write about straight people, because then at least I can have stakes and make poo poo interesting. It would be so much different had they just killed Lexa off in the first episode or two to get it over with, or if they had just never had her come back after Mt. Weather and had a little piece of exposition about her being assassinated between seasons. They gave her seven episodes, though, and a lot of that screentime was to the detriment of the pacing of the Arkadia/Pike storyline. They gave Lexa more than enough. People should be happy the character was as fleshed out and nuanced as she was, and that her death has actual meaning rather than being some throwaway dead gay. Like be upset she's gone all you want, but people lining up to like lynch the writers or try to tank the ratings is just silly and I think it will just lead that vocal group to realizing they aren't actually the majority of the show's fanbase like they seem to think they are. Besides, it's not as if Clarke isn't going to end up having another lady lover whenever she has a new romantic interest. If they weren't already planning it before (and really, she hasn't shown much interest in men at all since kissing Lexa-- her casual sex encounter this season was with a woman and not a man) I wouldn't be surprised if the writers are all fretting about whether or not to make Clarke celibate from now on or risk introducing another gay character who might have to die or be put in danger at some point in the future of the show. Though the shitstorm if she ends up with a dude before ending up with another lady will be pretty hilarious. I honestly don't care either way, relating to two people in love is easy no matter which parts they're into. It's just a nice bonus and breath of fresh air when those characters are gay. Male or female.
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Mar 10, 2016 22:15
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To be fair, I think a lot of the anger comes from feeling like JRoth led them on a bit. It's like these two ATHF openings, only instead of corn, it's fans getting attacked by dead lesbians.
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Mar 10, 2016 22:35
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Spergatory posted:To be fair, I think a lot of the anger comes from feeling like JRoth led them on a bit. It's like these two ATHF openings, only instead of corn, it's fans getting attacked by dead lesbians. this is the best way I've seen of explaining it so thank you for that
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Mar 10, 2016 22:40
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How did he lead people on, though? I don't follow twitter or whatever but from what I know he's been very open the whole time in interviews/etc about our time with Lexa being limited due to FTWD. Genuinely curious.
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Mar 10, 2016 22:49
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WarLocke posted:It's not that they're lesbians.
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Mar 10, 2016 22:51
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esperterra posted:How did he lead people on, though? I don't follow twitter or whatever but from what I know he's been very open the whole time in interviews/etc about our time with Lexa being limited due to FTWD. He didn't lead anyone on.
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Mar 10, 2016 23:37
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esperterra posted:How did he lead people on, though? I don't follow twitter or whatever but from what I know he's been very open the whole time in interviews/etc about our time with Lexa being limited due to FTWD. There was that whole thing about purposely inviting fans up to Vancouver to watch them film finale scenes which prominently featured Lexa, in what we now know to be the City of Light, but back then had little-to-no context for. It could feel like kind of a bait-and-switch. "Hey guys, look at Lexa being totally alive at the end of the season! NOT!  "
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Mar 10, 2016 23:39
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I think it's a little funny how on one side people are like "this is disappointing and I'm upset" and on the other side people are like "oh yeah? make a case for why you should be upset" There is a solution to the dilemma of not being able to kill lgbt characters though. If you have enough lgbt characters you don't lose representation when you kill them. Miller and his BF, as well as Clarke herself are all lgbt representation on the show themselves but I don't really want to delve into the specific lesbian vs generic lgbt stuff. Once again I think the biggest issue wasn't Lexa dying, just that it was handled a little clumsily. Her dying doesn't retroactively remove the representation that she did get, which I thought was pretty good but that's obviously subjective.
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Mar 10, 2016 23:42
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:I think it's a little funny how on one side people are like "this is disappointing and I'm upset" and on the other side people are like "oh yeah? make a case for why you should be upset" No if they were saying that, I wouldn't give a poo poo. zoux fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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Mar 10, 2016 23:43
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Spergatory posted:There was that whole thing about purposely inviting fans up to Vancouver to watch them film finale scenes which prominently featured Lexa, in what we now know to be the City of Light, but back then had little-to-no context for. It could feel like kind of a bait-and-switch. "Hey guys, look at Lexa being totally alive at the end of the season! NOT! What exactly do some fans think the writers/producers/whoever owe them? lol because apparently it's a lot, for some reason
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Mar 11, 2016 01:10
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zoux posted:No if they were saying that, I wouldn't give a poo poo. Yeah if it was mostly just 'i'm sad my fave char died and there's no lesbian couple this very second to fill the void' I can't imagine there ever would have been much of an argument. The issue (for me) is people blowing it up into some insult to gays and how all lesbians are furious about it bla bla bla, wow Tara much? etc. Like I'm sad she's gone too, but I would never try to make it something that I truly believe it's not.
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Mar 11, 2016 01:18
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Spergatory posted:There was that whole thing about purposely inviting fans up to Vancouver to watch them film finale scenes which prominently featured Lexa, in what we now know to be the City of Light, but back then had little-to-no context for. It could feel like kind of a bait-and-switch. "Hey guys, look at Lexa being totally alive at the end of the season! NOT! Wait, seriously?? Wowwwww. That's an impressive troll right there, hahaha. That makes this argument even more hilarious. Eat poo poo, tumblr/twitter masses! 
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Mar 11, 2016 01:26
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Er to be clear I am a strong supporter of so called "SJWs" and associated causes, I just think in this specific case they're off base.
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Mar 11, 2016 01:42
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Lexa outrage is trending on twitter again.
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Mar 11, 2016 01:46
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they're bringing attention to a lgbt suicide prevention charity so that's cool http://www.thetrevorproject.org/ if you wanna check it out or donate or whatever
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