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Heran Bago
Aug 18, 2006





So if "have with you" doesn't include in your hand, library, graveyard or in play, then what's left? Like if you have a pocket full of Cardboard Carapace cards that you're not playing with?

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sit on my Facebook
Jun 20, 2007

ASS GAS OR GRASS
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Yawgmoth posted:

Because it ends up influencing a lot of design/development decisions and sometimes those decisions suck and/or are boring.

I think color philosophy is like a tertiary design element at most

MiddleEastBeast
Jan 19, 2003

Forum Bully

Heran Bago posted:



So if "have with you" doesn't include in your hand, library, graveyard or in play, then what's left? Like if you have a pocket full of Cardboard Carapace cards that you're not playing with?
Probably, seeing as it's a joke card

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer

Heran Bago posted:



So if "have with you" doesn't include in your hand, library, graveyard or in play, then what's left? Like if you have a pocket full of Cardboard Carapace cards that you're not playing with?

the art tells you how you're supposed to be using the other copies

Come And See
Sep 15, 2008

We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other.


Heran Bago posted:



So if "have with you" doesn't include in your hand, library, graveyard or in play, then what's left? Like if you have a pocket full of Cardboard Carapace cards that you're not playing with?

Look at the art - you have to wear them on your body. Having them in front of you (in play, graveyard, hand or library) won't protect you. Duh.

Using a tradebinder full of them as trauma plating also works.

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014

Chill la Chill posted:

Pretend I inserted batman.jpg alignment here.

The reason this is bad is because while it may be true in one single instance of time, using some specific method of assigning influence in a numerical fashion or what have you, people change over time. Their motivation for an action may completely change the very next day and yet it doesn't magically make them Evil or Rash or Noble (or whatever you want those colors to mean) from day to day. This is most clearly seen in a D&D campaign where a character is continuous for months or years yet some DMs and players treat the implications of an alignment change as a grave matter. This has a similar effect in wizard poker cuz people will argue about a character not being able to change colors because of this or that philosophy. In reality, it's because it's a marketing gimmick and easy point of reference wrt expected game mechanics for a certain color.

Zoness posted:

If you terror a dragon that's about to ransack a village are you evil or good?

This is why judging a character's morality by the inherent assumed morality of what they're doing is stupid. Western RPGs with dumb morality systems force this idea down their players' throats (think Renegade/Paragon or the really stupid Jesus/Hitler split in Infamous) and manage to be fun to play despite that but it's really overly simplistic and not very indicative of anything.

I think you guys are looking at it A) Backwards, and B) are a bit hung up on the D&D analogy despite the way colourpiephilosophy works being that each colour represents a set of ideals they uphold, but doesnt specify any of them as *right* where as its very implicit that Good characters are supposed to be, well, team right. Its why the debate between Lawful vs Chaotic is more interesting in rpgs, even if that whole system is still bad.

The character casting terror isnt bad because they're casting terror, its just that the way of thinking that defines black makes someone likely to use the spell Terror. If you were a Holy Priest upholding justice and protecting the weak you'd cast Stasis Snare or Path to Exile. Banishing the Dragon, but not torturing it cos you're still concerned about morality to a degree, where as black isn't.

Its the same with red mages; they're inclined to fire magic because within the internal logic of the MtGverse, but not the real world, Fire Magic either attracts people who are implusive or people who are implusive are just better at it.

And as I said, while they can try and say black isn't evil, most black aligned characters within MtG are going to look it to most people who have a sense of morality, as opposed to black and their disregard for that.

Thisuck
Apr 29, 2012

Spoilers
Pillbug

Heran Bago posted:



So if "have with you" doesn't include in your hand, library, graveyard or in play, then what's left? Like if you have a pocket full of Cardboard Carapace cards that you're not playing with?

This is relevant, but she missed the obvious Cardboard Carapace pieces though.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

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rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

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ZeroCount posted:

Nah you see a giant sea monster that smashes everything aside with brute force is very blue because

IT SHOULD BE RED

Heran Bago
Aug 18, 2006



Hehe that's kind of funny. Other joke cards?

I know there are objectively bad cards and ones that have you do silly things like flip the card in the air. That poo poo's funny too.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

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Heran Bago posted:

Hehe that's kind of funny. Other joke cards?

I know there are objectively bad cards and ones that have you do silly things like flip the card in the air. That poo poo's funny too.

There are two entire sets of joke cards. Maro loses his poo poo for the joke Un-sets (Unglued and Unhinged) but nobody really wants to waste time or resources making a stupid joke set full of non-legal cards because they have a much tighter release schedule than they used to.

GaryLeeLoveBuckets
May 8, 2009

Heran Bago posted:

Hehe that's kind of funny. Other joke cards?

I know there are objectively bad cards and ones that have you do silly things like flip the card in the air. That poo poo's funny too.



Please tell me what this card does. No one could at the Unhinged Prerelease and it won me every game.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

GaryLeeLoveBuckets posted:



Please tell me what this card does. No one could at the Unhinged Prerelease and it won me every game.

You rotate enchanted creature 180 degrees (which means "confused" in Pokemon) and cover its text box with CotFP's upside-down text box. So it turns enchanted creature into a 6/5 penguin with trample.

Thisuck
Apr 29, 2012

Spoilers
Pillbug

Lottery of Babylon posted:

You rotate enchanted creature 180 degrees (which means "confused" in Pokemon) and cover its text box with CotFP's upside-down text box. So it turns enchanted creature into a 6/5 penguin with trample.

We need more penguin cards.

U
Hedron Penguin
Creature - Penguin
Island Home
Discard a land card: mill 3
0/2

GaryLeeLoveBuckets
May 8, 2009

Lottery of Babylon posted:

You rotate enchanted creature 180 degrees (which means "confused" in Pokemon) and cover its text box with CotFP's upside-down text box. So it turns enchanted creature into a 6/5 penguin with trample.

I ended up using it as a Control Magic that turned their creature into a 6/5 until it died, at which point I got to Control Magic another creature. Seems pretty good in a limited format made up of mostly 2/2's...or like, any Limited format.

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

Binary killing machines, turning 1 into 0 since 0011000100111001 0011011100110110

Yawgmoth posted:

Because it ends up influencing a lot of design/development decisions and sometimes those decisions suck and/or are boring.

Ya the answer is definitely that wizards is so lost that even the entirely self-designed system they created to describe their characters is something that they can't get right, or ever accurately describe

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
Hey everyone my buddy and somewhat infamous troll CML's chapbook kickstarter campaign just dropped. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/itscml/a-brief-history-of-magic-cards Please check it out. It should make a good gift for you to give to people who know you play magic but don't understand why we invest so much time in to this children's game. It has some sweet rewards tiers too.




Full disclosure: I've done some editing on it but am not related in any way to the kickstarter production.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

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gonzo kickstarter. did i say that out loud? jesus. does the kid know

ScarletBrother
Nov 2, 2004

rabidsquid posted:

gonzo kickstarter. did i say that out loud? jesus. does the kid know

Is that like gonzo porn? Evil Angel is all the rage in Magic these days...

Lancelot
May 23, 2006

Fun Shoe

Fuzzy Mammal posted:

Hey everyone my buddy and somewhat infamous troll CML's chapbook kickstarter campaign just dropped. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/itscml/a-brief-history-of-magic-cards Please check it out. It should make a good gift for you to give to people who know you play magic but don't understand why we invest so much time in to this children's game. It has some sweet rewards tiers too.
are you the guy who white knights CML whenever a goon criticises him?

JerryLee
Feb 4, 2005

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Yawgmoth posted:

Because it ends up influencing a lot of design/development decisions and sometimes those decisions suck and/or are boring.

a spell that literally turns something into a tree, hmmmmm sounds interesting but i'm not sold on this being something a nature wizard would cast

-mark rosewater

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy

Lancelot posted:

are you the guy who white knights CML whenever a goon criticises him?

:angel: I only call out people on their stupid poo poo, but I expect you would say yes I am that person. Anyways, this book is pretty far removed from all that.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


The infamous tournament, where I was on drugs,

black potus
Jul 13, 2006
CML, director of hit teen comedy Ten Things I Hate About The Pro Tour

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


About the author, the NOTORIOUS CML

Lancelot
May 23, 2006

Fun Shoe
CML is a habitual Magic junkie who's been called an “earthy, crunchy intellectual” by Donnie Wahlberg. His work has been compared to “Popeye’s Chicken” by Andy Richter. He’s written for Gawker, Kotaku, The Daily Dot, The Seattle Weekly, and more. Within Magic, he has gained notoriety for his outspoken views and winning a big tournament in an altered state.


hahaha, who writes this about themselves

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer
I have read his writing and I think while it is of poor quality it is consistent with the quality of writing that magic players would like. His character notwithstanding I have read his writing and found it wanting.

Zoness fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Mar 10, 2016

Gumdrop Larry
Jul 30, 2006

I dunno if spinning being kind of a little bitch into being a "troll of trolls" is entirely justified but hey whatever keeps people going man.

born on a buy you
Aug 14, 2005

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Bird Gang
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I have tasted the maggots in the mind of CML
I was not offended
For I knew I had to rise above it all
Or drown in my own poo poo.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


The notorious man, who tells it like it is, while on drugs

PleasantDirge
Sep 7, 2009
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rabidsquid posted:

The notorious man, who tells it like it is, while on drugs

Well poo poo save yourself $10 and ask me for story time

Bread Set Jettison
Jan 8, 2009

A brief history of who cares

Cactrot
Jan 11, 2001

Go Go Cactus Galactus





CML is A Cool Guy IMO

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


Thisuck posted:

We need more penguin cards.

U
Hedron Penguin
Creature - Penguin
Island Home
Discard a land card: mill 3
0/2

Get in my loam deck

Network42
Oct 23, 2002
This is super last minute, but anyone interested in being a third for GPDC? MY friend just cancelled, and I'd prefer not to have flushed $75 down the toilet.

Thisuck
Apr 29, 2012

Spoilers
Pillbug

Everblight posted:

Get in my loam deck

Penguin Loam

Pyronic
Oct 1, 2008

ROYAL RAINWHARRGARBL
Has anyone solved the cryptolith puzzle on the prerelease posters yet?



Haven't seen any discussion on reddit or mtgsalv yet, but I guess most stores are just getting theirs in the next couple days.

JerryLee
Feb 4, 2005

THE RESERVED LIST! THE RESERVED LIST! I CANNOT SHUT UP ABOUT THE RESERVED LIST!
I've always said that Magic was missing the kid's meal playmat experience

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

Pyronic posted:

Has anyone solved the cryptolith puzzle on the prerelease posters yet?



Haven't seen any discussion on reddit or mtgsalv yet, but I guess most stores are just getting theirs in the next couple days.

Those are clearly Slivers.

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Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Pyronic posted:

Has anyone solved the cryptolith puzzle on the prerelease posters yet?



Haven't seen any discussion on reddit or mtgsalv yet, but I guess most stores are just getting theirs in the next couple days.

up right down right up left down left B A

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