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Pththya-lyi posted:Maoist Pussy just wants to retain the masculine mystique Nah, it's just wilful abstruseness.
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Maoist Pussy posted:I am signalling to you that your discussion of 'masculinity' is as meaningful as a toad's discussion of meteorology. There is no meaningful discussion to be had about masculinity because the concept of masculinity isn't meaningful. HTH
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Mar 12, 2016 00:13
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:Next up, Pffft, you believe in the secular lie of biology? Did you know that Darwin invented racism?
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Mar 12, 2016 00:16
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He didn't invent it. He only perfected it.
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Mar 12, 2016 00:17
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Debate & Discussion: You Are Racist > Understanding the psychology of Maoist Pussy
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Mar 12, 2016 00:17
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As a Marxist, I would argue that human nature is the result of the material conditions of their existence and, why no I don't think a person's literal body counts as material conditions why do you ask
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Mar 12, 2016 00:20
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If gender was a simple result of biology, then it wouldn't be necessary to tell anyone to 'be a man' - they'd just be. The fact that that's not the case, that it has to be imposed, disproves your assertion.
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Mar 12, 2016 00:28
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Being a woman means 1: You can have a hysterectomy and 2. That you should be paid less. These two are both equally uncontroversial.
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Mar 12, 2016 00:30
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rudatron posted:If gender was a simple result of biology, then it wouldn't be necessary to tell anyone to 'be a man' - they'd just be. The fact that that's not the case, that it has to be imposed, disproves your assertion. This does not mean anything. All adult males are men. Some of them are just poo poo at it.
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Mar 12, 2016 00:34
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Maoist Pussy posted:This does not mean anything. All adult males are men. Some of them are just poo poo at it. Presumably this includes you, who cannot even define what it even is.
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Mar 12, 2016 00:35
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Well, yes, body-mass to penis-mass ratio is what's important. E: if you cut your dick off you create a woman and a superman.
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Mar 12, 2016 00:35
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Who What Now posted:Presumably this includes you, who cannot even define what it even is. Sure thing, WarHams guy.
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Mar 12, 2016 00:36
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Who What Now posted:Presumably this includes you, who cannot even define what it even is. Inarticulacy is masculinity. What now? 
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Mar 12, 2016 00:36
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Maoist Pussy posted:Sure thing, WarHams guy.  /
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Mar 12, 2016 00:38
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Maoist Pussy posted:This does not mean anything. All adult males are men. Some of them are just poo poo at it. rudatron fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Mar 12, 2016 |
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Mar 12, 2016 00:39
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rudatron posted:I understand debate and discussion is difficult for you, but you need to apply your brain here. If it were just 'biology', then there's no reasonable expectation for those that are 'poo poo at it', to ever not be 'poo poo at it' and, conversely, those who are not 'poo poo at it', to not be 'poo poo at it', regardless of environment. Ergo, by your own logic, space sweden would have just as many men as today. Please stop serious posting at yawning Rei.
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Mar 12, 2016 00:42
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When I was very little, I used to have a pink schoolbag, because pink is a cool color right? It's the color of light sabers and dinosaur tongues. Since I lacked a double-X chromosome set, people would of course pick on me. "Why are you wearing girl stuff?" I replied: as I am a boy, and as I am wearing it, it is obviously boy stuff. It was quite a shock to me when I later learned that more or less simultaneously, Judith Butler had made a similar argument, and, even later, when I was proved wrong by modern evolutionary psychology. Nowadays, I exclusively wear navy blue because biology. Even on my nails! vvvv thank God I can rely on you! vvvv Cingulate fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Mar 12, 2016 |
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Mar 12, 2016 00:47
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Cingulate posted:When I was very little, I used to have a pink schoolbag, because pink is a cool color right? It's the color of light sabers and dinosaur tongues. Since I also had a double-X chromosome set, people would of course pick on me. "Why are you wearing girl stuff?" I replied: as I am a boy, and as I am wearing it, it is obviously boy stuff. It was quite a shock to me when I later learned that more or less simultaneously, Judith Butler had made a similar argument, and, even later, when I was proved wrong by modern evolutionary psychology. Nowadays, I exclusively wear navy blue because biology. Even on my nails! Born double-X, so... Kids made fun of you for being biological a girl and wearing girly stuff? Somehow I find that hard to believe.
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Mar 12, 2016 00:51
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Why do you bother to engage people who feel no desire to do the same?
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Mar 12, 2016 00:58
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Lady Naga posted:Why do you bother to engage people who feel no desire to do the same? Because mail-order brides are most DE folks' only options.
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Mar 12, 2016 01:01
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I'm a dog chasing cars.
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rudatron posted:I'm a dog chasing cars. Yet another example of dehumanization in the Dork Enlightenment thread. SMH
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Mar 12, 2016 01:07
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It helps me forget how alone I am.
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Mar 12, 2016 01:08
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When I was in high school, I used to gag on cocks all the time after school, because weiners are cool, right? They are the shape of light sabers and dinosaur tongues. Since I lacked a double-X chromosome set, people would of course pick on me. "Why are you doing gay stuff?" I replied: as I am a straight, and as I am doing it, it is obviously straight stuff. It was quite a shock to me when I later learned that more or less simultaneously, Judith Butler had made a similar argument, and, even later, when I was proved wrong by modern evolutionary psychology. Nowadays, I exclusively mouthify vaginas because biology. Even the one I hade surgically implanted!
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Mar 12, 2016 01:20
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Maoist Pussy posted:When I was in high school, I used to gag on cocks all the time after school, because weiners are cool, right? They are the shape of light sabers and dinosaur tongues. Since I lacked a double-X chromosome set, people would of course pick on me. "Why are you doing gay stuff?" I replied: as I am a straight, and as I am doing it, it is obviously straight stuff. It was quite a shock to me when I later learned that more or less simultaneously, Judith Butler had made a similar argument, and, even later, when I was proved wrong by modern evolutionary psychology. Nowadays, I exclusively mouthify vaginas because biology. Even the one I hade surgically implanted! Sexuality is non-binary and the way society treats it is entirely arbitrary, just like gender. 
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Mar 12, 2016 01:23
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Who What Now posted:Sexuality is non-binary and the way society treats it is entirely arbitrary, just like gender. No doubt your understanding of other people's sexuality is as well-founded as your understanding of other people's sense of masculinity.
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Mar 12, 2016 01:35
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Maoist Pussy posted:No doubt your understanding of other people's sexuality is as well-founded as your understanding of other people's sense of masculinity. In that they both vastly surpass yours? Oh, absolutely.
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If you believe that everyone is bisexual, then it becomes quite apparent that your understanding starts and ends with yourself.
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Mar 12, 2016 01:39
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Maoist Pussy posted:I don't want to gently caress a robot. Robots can't cry.
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Mar 12, 2016 01:40
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That'd be a real problem if I believed that, yes.
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rudatron posted:If gender was a simple result of biology, then it wouldn't be necessary to tell anyone to 'be a man' - they'd just be. The fact that that's not the case, that it has to be imposed, disproves your assertion. 'Be a man' is an exhortation to aspire to the positive traits of masculinity in ones community and culture, you cant be this spergy.
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Mar 12, 2016 16:20
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Ian Winthorpe III posted:'Be a man' is an exhortation to aspire to the positive traits of masculinity in ones community and culture, you cant be this spergy. Which are extremely variable and as such the exhortation is meaningless to the point of being tautological, but it attempts to validate itself by appealing to a nonexistant consensus view of masculinity. Saying it is basically saying "do this stuff I think you should do because everyone else is doing it" without being willing to define what the stuff is and without being able to prove that everyone else is doing it.
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Mar 12, 2016 16:22
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Ian Winthorpe III posted:'Be a man' is an exhortation to aspire to the positive traits of masculinity in ones community and culture, you cant be this spergy.
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Ian Winthorpe III posted:'Be a man' is an exhortation to aspire to the positive traits of masculinity in ones community and culture, you cant be this spergy. What, exactly, are these traits and why do they specifically require a Y chromosome to display?
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Race Realists posted:hahahahaha maybe. its standarnd /pol/ stuff though. though if its designed to troll or "redpill" isnt important since is probably supposed to do both.
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Did you read the post I was responding to, IWC? It's the one directly above that quote you have of me.
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Does IWC ever really read posts or just reply to whatever utter fantasy he's conjured up in his meth-fuelled trip?
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OwlFancier posted:Which are extremely variable and as such the exhortation is meaningless to the point of being tautological, but it attempts to validate itself by appealing to a nonexistant consensus view of masculinity. Millions of decidedly average people seem to be able to make sense of it a way that is relevant to them. I'm not sure that your technical and linguistic deconstruction really captures the "vibe" of this common phrase.
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Ian Winthorpe III posted:Millions of decidedly average people seem to be able to make sense of it a way that is relevant to them. I'm not sure that your technical and linguistic deconstruction really captures the "vibe" of this common phrase. Yes, individually, each trusting a tenuous link to the non-existent consensus idea that will last as long as it isn't examined too closely. To compare, see political movements comprised of rather loose groups of people, the moment they lose whatever Other existed to define them they immediately dissolve into people arguing with each other because none of them actually agreed to begin with, they just definitely disagreed with the other. Masculinity is defined entirely by its opposition to some nebulous idea of femininity, the emphasis is not on being a man, rather instead it's not being effeminate. Femininity provides the thing to be afraid of in people who derive their identity and sense of social unity from masculinity and it's what creates any semblance of group cohesion among said people. Very visible among people like the dark enlightenment idiots who are super quick to argue with each other but so long as they have feminism  to argue about they will keep more coherent.
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OwlFancier posted:Yes, individually, each trusting a tenuous link to the non-existent consensus idea that will last as long as it isn't examined too closely. Ahh sorry I misunderstood, I agree. quote:Very visible among people like the dark enlightenment idiots who are super quick to argue with each other but so long as they have feminism True but that's just a fact of political life I suppose; something similar is happening in progressive movements whose potentially fractious divisions along cultural or ideological lines are papered over in opposition to the ill-gotten privilege of being male, white and straight.
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