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Tezzor posted:the saurus successfully discovers that workers with relevant skills find it easier to obtain employment Isn't this against the ethos of socialism?
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goatse.cx posted:Solidarnosc had more or less soured me on the idea of self-organizing workers independently bringing about socialism, unfortunately solidarity was a cia op
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# ? Mar 8, 2016 05:23 |
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once i answered a quiz bowl question where the answer was, you know, that group, by saying 'solidarnosc' and they ruled me wrong and said the answer was 'solidarity' if i had had a little more experience i would have screamed the injustice pains me to this day
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goatse.cx posted:Solidarnosc had more or less soured me on the idea of self-organizing workers independently bringing about socialism, unfortunately Sheng-ji Yang posted:solidarity was a cia op ayup
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oystertoadfish posted:once i answered a quiz bowl question where the answer was, you know, that group, by saying 'solidarnosc' and they ruled me wrong and said the answer was 'solidarity' I've had this happen with being expected to pronounce "Zwoty" as "Zlotee" because gently caress Slavic pronunciation of words.
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# ? Mar 8, 2016 07:03 |
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The Saurus posted:Isn't this against the ethos of socialism? I don't think technically, but it's definitely a leftist idea that everyone should be able to achieve an income one way or another.
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# ? Mar 8, 2016 10:01 |
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Big ups to PSL and ANSWER in Chicago! And all the other comrades doing good work too lol
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 07:16 |
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ALSO: you dont have to be a communist to help support the legal defense funds of arrested anti-trump protesters
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 07:36 |
leftism is dead in the water until a future generation stops fetishizing the trappings of a century-old failed authoritarian regime
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 07:48 |
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Thanks for posting.
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Wheeee posted:leftism is dead in the water until a future generation stops fetishizing the trappings of a century-old failed authoritarian regime The only things dead in the water are the Syrian refugees trying to escape the imperialist violence that has enveloped their nation as a result of liberals comparing peripheral nations to "century-old failed authoritarian regimes"
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 07:53 |
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don't kinkshame
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 07:57 |
Lenin was pretty cool and Bolshevik propaganda owned but that stuff is never going to shake off a century's worth of Western propaganda attacks
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Wheeee posted:Lenin was pretty cool and Bolshevik propaganda owned but that stuff is never going to shake off a century's worth of Western propaganda attacks yeah i see what you're saying and i kinda agree but it seems that as long as you're honest about your aims of bringing about socialism you're gonna get redbaited regardless
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 10:24 |
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Instead of protesting shutting down a political rally for disaffected working class people who disagree with them. Leftists should be forming revolutionary soup kitchens and community aid programs. When I wanted to volunteer at a soup kitchen I had to find a church and I was like an hour from NYC. The only secular/politically motivated one I could find was some bitch rear end vegan anarchist bullshit.
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 10:32 |
listen pal, i didn't sign up to be Comrade Soup Cook, i signed up to be Comrade Lenin
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 10:44 |
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Even fascists like Golden Dawn understand this poo poo. Then the police go in with riot gear and tear gas and break up actual soup kitchens and the state looks awful as gently caress while the hungry people get mad as hell and more receptive to your message. Alternatively the police don't attack you and you get to do some actual good for your community and help feed the hungry, while distributing leftist pamphlets and whatever, creating a whole support network outside of the state apparatus. Warning: Close proximity to the working class may drastically lower levels of idealism.
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 10:54 |
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It's a shame communists can only either run soup kitchens or show up to one time events. It's a real downer how they can't do both. I just wish here was a way to do more than one thing you know? gently caress off out of here.
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 15:58 |
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In actuality they do neither and spend most of their time posting online. Seriously, try and find one single example of leftist groups or organizations providing aid directly to the working class in the United States. That would be a far better use of time and resources than a meaningless self-masturbatory Presidential run.
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The Saurus posted:In actuality they do neither and spend most of their time posting online. Food not Bombs your turn
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Food not Bombs They're the vegans I mentioned in my first post. But they're not communist or socialist groups using it as an opportunity to spread socialism, which was my point about what parties like golden dawn are doing.
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The Saurus posted:In actuality they do neither and spend most of their time posting online. You probably couldn't even name a socialist group active in your area and now you know the full scope of their activities? Newspapers don't publish stories about communists running soup kitchens. They don't post stories about squats being setup to help house the homeless in areas where local government regulation and intransigence means there is no help available. These things and more are happening right now and just because your world doesn't intersect with it doesn't mean it's not there.
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The Saurus posted:Instead of protesting shutting down a political rally for disaffected working class people who disagree with them. in addition to the aforementioned point re: doing more than one thing at once, this might be tricky for you, saurus. i hear some of those folks speak spanish The Saurus posted:In actuality they do neither and spend most of their time posting online. one example is the subject of this very thread!
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 16:29 |
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Yes it is truly a mystery why leftist groups would be interested in shutting down a reactionary rally. Leftists should follow Greece's example, where leftist groups totally ignored the Golden Dawn, and never had any confrontations with them.
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 18:06 |
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The Saurus posted:
where will the goalposts go next? follow the Saurus on his exciting trip and find out!
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DrProsek posted:Yes it is truly a mystery why leftist groups would be interested in shutting down a reactionary rally. Leftists should follow Greece's example, where leftist groups totally ignored the Golden Dawn, and never had any confrontations with them. Golden Don
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 18:11 |
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Bernice Anders posted:Golden Don lol
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:where will the goalposts go next? follow the Saurus on his exciting trip and find out! I'm just a bit annoyed that when I wanted to help the poor and needy I had to do it under the auspices of some religious bullshit (I would have actually volunteered for Food Not Bombs, but it was just too far away geographically. It still comes across as kindof a bourgeois hipster group to me) DrProsek posted:Yes it is truly a mystery why leftist groups would be interested in shutting down a reactionary rally. Leftists should follow Greece's example, where leftist groups totally ignored the Golden Dawn, and never had any confrontations with them. Donald J. Trump, the moderate Republican candidate for President and literal neo Nazis Golden Dawn are not politically comparable. But then again this thread IS full of people who support genocides and massacres because it was done by someone waving a hammer-and-sickle flag. The Saurus fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Mar 12, 2016 |
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The Saurus posted:Donald J. Trump, the moderate Republican candidate for President OK, good troll.
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GunnerJ posted:OK, good troll. wrt to working class interests the choices this election go bernie > trump > shilldog > other repubs
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 20:54 |
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By the way, the Communist Party of Britain is against mass immigration due to the effect it has on working class solidarity, wages and conditions while still steadfastly opposing any and all racist/racialist immigration policies throughout its history (The EU is essentially freedom of movement for whites only). It's a sensible policy that I back wholeheartedly while still supporting international solidarity with comrades abroad.
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# ? Mar 12, 2016 21:03 |
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this is absolutely outstanding. a good analysis of modern russia and a nice primer on imperialism as marxists define it.Renfrey Clarke and Roger Annis posted:Imperialism has evolved a great deal since Lenin’s time, but it is remarkable how apposite his analysis remains. While specific forms have changed, each of the key underlying features noted by the Bolshevik leader is still very much in place. The “international monopolist capitalist associations” of Lenin’s time – the cartels and trusts – have morphed into multinational mega-corporations and their policing agencies, the IMF, World Bank and WTO. The colonial empires have vanished in formal terms, but their essence persists in mechanisms aimed at reinforcing stark global inequalities of power and wealth that are immensely profitable for the global centre. These mechanisms of post-colonial robbery and oppression include the direct remittance of profits by imperialist-owned enterprises; debt dependency; constant political meddling by the centre; and when other methods fail, trade embargos and armed coercion.
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# ? Mar 13, 2016 00:28 |
what's up with Marxists writing so many loving words, why can't they just upload youtube videos like more modern and sophisticated philosophers
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# ? Mar 13, 2016 00:38 |
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i take it you've yet to be introduced to maoist rebel news
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# ? Mar 13, 2016 00:40 |
Homework Explainer posted:i take it you've yet to be introduced to maoist rebel news holy poo poo lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xHki1PzBMY
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Wheeee posted:holy poo poo lol yessssssssss
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# ? Mar 13, 2016 01:01 |
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seriously though we need actual marxist youtuber youths if only so that this guy isn't the first thing that comes up when people type marxist words in the youtube searchbox
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# ? Mar 13, 2016 01:29 |
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Wheeee posted:holy poo poo lol Once talked to some internet stalinists who yelled at me for fatshaming
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Bob le Moche posted:seriously though we need actual marxist youtuber youths if only so that this guy isn't the first thing that comes up when people type marxist words in the youtube searchbox i don't think that would do much good, the fact is that the ideologies which spread effectively through simplistic youtube rants and short-form articles written at a grade-school level, such as right-libertarianism, do so because they are fundamentally manufactured ideologies which were created to reinforce the extant status quo, making them feel intuitively true to people who grew up within the same culture Marxism, broadly, is an academic approach to political philosophy and ideology which is counter-intuitive to most people, necessitating a level of intellectual curiosity and investment that most people are unwilling or incapable of making. trying to sell Marxism with the same shallow soundbites that right-libertarians have successfully used only results in recruiting idiots who think posting Lenin memes and pictures of the Soviet flag makes them Communists
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Wheeee posted:what's up with Marxists writing so many loving words, why can't they just upload youtube videos like more modern and sophisticated philosophers got you covered, comrade
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