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Sai
Sep 20, 2004

Can the rally watching people open a TVIV rally watching thread so the marginally more normal people dont have to read 8 pages of how many people are now watching the youtube and last words trump said thnak you all.

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unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Pillowpants posted:

So, this is the first time in my life that I've been following politics where I've felt... uncomfortable with everything going on. Is anyone else feeling that way?
Yeah. As maniacal as Trump is, a Hillary presidency is far more a canary in a coal mine for American democracy. It's not even a vote between the lesser of two evils, it's a vote between Mammon and Lucifer.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

passionate dongs posted:

very excited to hear Trump nicknames for Hillary or Bernie.

i'm most interested in seeing trump actually trying to campaign instead of coasting on his opponents self-destructing one by one. the man can use his massive name recog and 24/7 media grasp to motivate people who share his views but that won't fly in the GE were only like ~30% of Americans agree with him on anything.

So far he's spent more time talking about his brand and telling dumb stories than actually focusing on tearing down other candidates.

passionate dongs
May 23, 2001

Snitchin' is Bitchin'

The Saurus posted:

hmm which do i prefer - bandaid from trump or hillary twisting a knife in the wound. if only everyone would vote PSL :shrug:

america is the most powerful economy in the world, it has the clout to make protectionism work and the only reason its not being done is because the ruling class don't have a problem with making the american people into paupers

Trumps business is real estate - those giant buildings can't be outsourced. the only way his empire survives is if there's a large enough american middle class to stay at his hotels, buy his condo's and gamble at his casinos. he's for himself, but his interests converge more with the american people than those of his own class, hence why they hate him for breaking ranks and are trying to stop him.

the middle class have nothing to do with Trump's income

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

the trump tutelage posted:

Yeah. As maniacal as Trump is, a Hillary presidency is far more a canary in a coal mine for American democracy. It's not even a vote between the lesser of two evils, it's a vote between Mammon and Lucifer.

I don't think someone who shares a last name with someone getting elected is bad for american democracy when that's happened before the bushes came around

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

Pillowpants posted:

So, this is the first time in my life that I've been following politics where I've felt... uncomfortable with everything going on. Is anyone else feeling that way?

maybe you should make some spreadsheets about it, you'll feel better

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Venom Snake posted:

Love this meme were people say that literally a single statement will change a bunch of voters sides. If you want to see what might cause people to rethink look at trends, not one offs. Trying to paint HRC as "Anti-jobs" won't work when you have 1 statement that is qualified half a second later.
No one clip is going to change anyone's minds, no, but Hillary should probably avoid feeding soundbites to someone who looks to be running as an economic populist immune to being bought and sold by Wall Street the way she is.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

Pillowpants posted:

So, this is the first time in my life that I've been following politics where I've felt... uncomfortable with everything going on. Is anyone else feeling that way?

So, this is the first time in my life that I've been following politics where I've felt... excited and invested with everything going on. Is anyone else feeling that way?

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Venom Snake posted:

I don't think someone who shares a last name with someone getting elected is bad for american democracy when that's happened before the bushes came around
Don't be facetious.

Princeps32
Nov 9, 2012

Pillowpants posted:

So, this is the first time in my life that I've been following politics where I've felt... uncomfortable with everything going on. Is anyone else feeling that way?

Yes.

It's sometimes hysterical, like everything with Jeb Bush and when Rubio made peeing pants tiny hand jokes and the great Trump Steaks Scandal. Mostly it's a mix of surreal and bad.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

the trump tutelage posted:

Yeah. As maniacal as Trump is, a Hillary presidency is far more a canary in a coal mine for American democracy. It's not even a vote between the lesser of two evils, it's a vote between Mammon and Lucifer.

If Hillary wins, you're at least likely to see more of the same that we've seen under Obama, mostly because she wants midterm elections to not be terrible for the Dems and wants to be reelected two years after that. She's not an idiot; she knows she's not going to get any traction on the right anymore. In other words, the country will tread water. If Trump is elected, he's likely to slash the social safety net, because he's a Republican and he'll pretty much need to if he wants any support from congressional Republicans who haaaaaate him. I also think someone with his ridiculous temperament and thin skin shouldn't be in control of the U.S.' foreign policy and armed forces. So for me the "lesser of two evils" choice is pretty clear, between Hillary and Trump.

Terror Sweat
Mar 15, 2009

Baloogan posted:

So, this is the first time in my life that I've been following politics where I've felt... excited and invested with everything going on. Is anyone else feeling that way?

hell yeah, chaos is hilarious

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

passionate dongs posted:

the middle class have nothing to do with Trump's income

wow you sure proved me wrong!

i'm not talking about people on 30k a year in tech support who call themselves middle class because they're white collar and can't bear the shame of being called working class

Oiled and Ready
Oct 11, 2004

He wished it could be as respectable and orthodox as spying. But somehow in his hands the traditional tools and attitudes were always employed toward mean ends: cloak for a laundry sack, dagger to peel potatoes, dossiers to fill up dead Sunday afternoons ...
So.

Roger Stone was featured prominently as a sort of hermited legendary political figure on The Circus tonight.

I'd LOVE to see why Halperin and Heileman chose to do so, since there was no shortage of footage to pull from this week. Intriguing.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

Baloogan posted:

So, this is the first time in my life that I've been following politics where I've felt... excited and invested with everything going on. Is anyone else feeling that way?

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

the trump tutelage posted:

No one clip is going to change anyone's minds, no, but Hillary should probably avoid feeding soundbites to someone who looks to be running as an economic populist immune to being bought and sold by Wall Street the way she is.

he's not running as an economic populist, he's running as goldwater 2.0. all of his little throw offs to protectionism (which he outright says he is not) mean nothing when buried under a massive pile of white nationalism.

this doesn't work because the majority of lower class low income people are minorities that despise Trump. although I will say you are technically correct in and that he's a populist for a very specific demo.

SNAKES N CAKES
Sep 6, 2005

DAVID GAIDER
Lead Writer
Megyn Kelly was just defending Trump against Ted Cruz on Fox News. The audience erupted in boos against her, and they cut to commercial.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe
I don't think you actually know what white nationalism is, Venom Snake. Trump's other policies are not "buried under a huge pile of it", he hardly even mentions the wall or illegal immigration (which are still not white nationalism ffs) in comparison to some of his other stuff nowadays

StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin
Former Reagan advisor Richard Bishirjian wrote a letter to GOP Chairman Reince Priebus last week warning that riots are almost certain to occur in Cleveland and the GOP should move their convention to...Virginia Beach!

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug

Peachstapler posted:

Former Reagan advisor Richard Bishirjian wrote a letter to GOP Chairman Reince Priebus last week warning that riots are almost certain to occur in Cleveland and the GOP should move their convention to...Virginia Beach!

Sweet mercy why would you ever want to move something INTO hampton roads

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Peachstapler posted:

Former Reagan advisor Richard Bishirjian wrote a letter to GOP Chairman Reince Priebus last week warning that riots are almost certain to occur in Cleveland and the GOP should move their convention to...Virginia Beach!

Bishie Reagan, nice name.

passionate dongs
May 23, 2001

Snitchin' is Bitchin'

The Saurus posted:

wow you sure proved me wrong!

i'm not talking about people on 30k a year in tech support who call themselves middle class because they're white collar and can't bear the shame of being called working class

A majority of his value comes from real estate, yes. But to think that the middle class have direct impact on the value of huge buldings in Manhattan is kind of silly.

his "customers" that he relies on are other businesses, not the middle class

passionate dongs fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Mar 14, 2016

passionate dongs
May 23, 2001

Snitchin' is Bitchin'

Venom Snake posted:

i'm most interested in seeing trump actually trying to campaign instead of coasting on his opponents self-destructing one by one. the man can use his massive name recog and 24/7 media grasp to motivate people who share his views but that won't fly in the GE were only like ~30% of Americans agree with him on anything.

So far he's spent more time talking about his brand and telling dumb stories than actually focusing on tearing down other candidates.
I am certain there is going to be something 100x worse than "proceed, governor" in which trump admits hes not sure mexicans are people or something

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Peachstapler posted:

Former Reagan advisor Richard Bishirjian wrote a letter to GOP Chairman Reince Priebus last week warning that riots are almost certain to occur in Cleveland and the GOP should move their convention to...Virginia Beach!

if they don't want trump to come just move it to a place with a lot of minorities. cruz wins by default when trumps delegates are to scared to show up to vote

Bernice Anders
Feb 26, 2016

by zen death robot

passionate dongs posted:

I am certain there is going to be something 100x worse than "proceed, governor" in which trump admits hes not sure mexicans are people or something

100 times zero is still zero

Slate Action
Feb 13, 2012

by exmarx

Election Smith posted:

As of this morning, more than 1.125m Floridians have cast ballots in the GOP presidential preference primary.

Here’s the breakdown by race/ethnicity:

971.6k white Republicans have already voted; that’s 86.3% of the total votes cast in the GOP PPP. Thus far, 112.6k Republican Hispanics have voted, or 10% of the total.

Overall, 24.5% of registered Republicans (active and inactive) have already voted.

The overall 1.125m Republican ballots cast to date includes 484.6k voters who did not participate in the 2012 PPP, or 43% of the vote total. Nearly 85% of these voters who didn’t bother (as well as some who weren’t registered) to vote in 2012 in the primary are white.

The overall GOP total votes cast also includes 3.5k of the party’s 307k inactive voters; 73% are white and 22% are Hispanic.

One last demographic breakdown for the GOP voters who’ve voted early in-person or by absentee ballot: they’re old. Nearly 64% of votes cast by registered Republicans in Florida’s PPP are at least 60 years of age. Slightly more than 4% — only 46k voters — are under 30. Of that younger GOP crowd, 80% are white.

Draw your own conclusions…

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
i like how the white people waited until they couldn't decide elections anymore to vote.

warcraft_boyfriend_99
Aug 12, 2007

by Pragmatica

Epic High Five posted:

I like where I'm at

Also my state isn't NEARLY as bad as the others thanks to people fighting our retarded slash and burn leaders every step of the way.

I have to give credit where credit is due, Richard Lugar did a good job running this state... possibly the most competent Republican Senator ever. Its amazing how horrible Mike Pence and Joe Donnelly have become together, and I pray that we get them out of office while Indiana is still an ok place to live.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Pillowpants posted:

So, this is the first time in my life that I've been following politics where I've felt... uncomfortable with everything going on. Is anyone else feeling that way?

I was alive for the first Reagan administration, and for the Swiftboating of John Kerry. I was genuinely scared Reagan would start a nuclear war. (Sound check: "We have outlawed Russia. Bombing will begin in 5 minutes.") So, been here before. Still terrified of Trump, still think he's at most a mouse hair away from being a fascist.

Oiled and Ready
Oct 11, 2004

He wished it could be as respectable and orthodox as spying. But somehow in his hands the traditional tools and attitudes were always employed toward mean ends: cloak for a laundry sack, dagger to peel potatoes, dossiers to fill up dead Sunday afternoons ...

Pillowpants posted:

So, this is the first time in my life that I've been following politics where I've felt... uncomfortable with everything going on. Is anyone else feeling that way?

That means you're reaching the "liberal to conservative" conversion point.

Let me guess, 28-32?

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE


I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)
Here's the video of that guy claiming Marco is trying to steal his girlfriend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN30fXKWdF0

Clearly a Marco plant trying to dispel the gay rumor :colbert:

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Slate Action posted:

As of this morning, more than 1.125m Floridians have cast ballots in the GOP presidential preference primary.

Here’s the breakdown by race/ethnicity:

971.6k white Republicans have already voted; that’s 86.3% of the total votes cast in the GOP PPP. Thus far, 112.6k Republican Hispanics have voted, or 10% of the total.

Overall, 24.5% of registered Republicans (active and inactive) have already voted.

The overall 1.125m Republican ballots cast to date includes 484.6k voters who did not participate in the 2012 PPP, or 43% of the vote total. Nearly 85% of these voters who didn’t bother (as well as some who weren’t registered) to vote in 2012 in the primary are white.

The overall GOP total votes cast also includes 3.5k of the party’s 307k inactive voters; 73% are white and 22% are Hispanic.

One last demographic breakdown for the GOP voters who’ve voted early in-person or by absentee ballot: they’re old. Nearly 64% of votes cast by registered Republicans in Florida’s PPP are at least 60 years of age. Slightly more than 4% — only 46k voters — are under 30. Of that younger GOP crowd, 80% are white.

Draw your own conclusions…

Marcomentum!

Pappyland
Jun 17, 2004

There's no limit to your imagination!
College Slice


Oiled and Ready posted:

That means you're reaching the "liberal to conservative" conversion point.

Let me guess, 28-32?

I think it's more indicative of ennui with regard to the state of the American political system than your politics becoming conservative. For instance, I'm pessimistic about anything good coming out of this election cycle, but there's little likelihood of my pulling the lever for the GOP anytime soon.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Oiled and Ready posted:

That means you're reaching the "liberal to conservative" conversion point.

Let me guess, 28-32?

Youre misinterpreting both their post and the left/right age differential.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



xechostormx posted:

I have to give credit where credit is due, Richard Lugar did a good job running this state... possibly the most competent Republican Senator ever. Its amazing how horrible Mike Pence and Joe Donnelly have become together, and I pray that we get them out of office while Indiana is still an ok place to live.

And Vic Ballard was both a terrible person and excellent Mayor. Indiana used to be pretty complicated for a liberal, but helpfully all the good Republicans in the state got turfed out by dark money and replaced by lunatics so now I can vote straight ticket Democrat and save myself some time. Lugar was the old school kind of Republican that was concerned primarily about governance and wouldn't tolerate endless shutdown quagmires.

We can at least rest assured that Pence is broadly despised and will never see one of his pet projects passed until he manages to chase off EVEN MORE young people and recent grads

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

Mister Fister posted:

Here's the video of that guy claiming Marco is trying to steal his girlfriend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN30fXKWdF0

Clearly a Marco plant trying to dispel the gay rumor :colbert:

That is painfully bad acting.

whydirt
Apr 18, 2001


Gaz Posting Brigade :c00lbert:
Besides being a semi-Blue Dog, what's wrong with Donelly?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lol that nine times as many white people as hispanics have voted in FL

i wonder who will win

Bernice Anders
Feb 26, 2016

by zen death robot

whydirt posted:

Besides being a semi-Blue Dog, what's wrong with Donelly?

Besides this being a giant piece of poo poo, what makes it so smelly?

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whydirt
Apr 18, 2001


Gaz Posting Brigade :c00lbert:
I mean that's probably the best Indiana can get in the Senate, so comparing him to Pence seems unjustified on basically every level.

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