Magic the Gathering Appreciation Station

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mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Her -2 and -8 are control walker abilities but she's in RW and her +2 is aggressive. Kind of pulling in 2 different directions.

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TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

Zoness posted:

This is reasonable, since one of Ajani Vengeant's main play modes was to -2 immediately, although Ajani Vengeant also had way more relevant other modes and gain 3 life was definitely relevant.

Her +2 is a worse Duck but Duck would be playable in 4 formats for that alone. She's strong.

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Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

Barry Shitpeas posted:

looks like a planeswalker art to me, plus he's the face of the set and all that

I mean I wouldn't be opposed to four walkers.

We already know a Sorin and Arlinn are being spoiled so.

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Zoness: Jul 24, 2011; Talk to the hand.; Grimey Drawer

They better game loss people who call her the harbringer though.

Also bets on who says it wrong first on scg coverage? My bet is on CVM and/or Boswell.

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Archenteron: Nov 3, 2006

If we do not get Tammy Moonsocks 2.0: Has Seen Too Much this block, I will be so upset

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Chill la Chill: Jul 2, 2007; Don't lose your gay

Barry Shitpeas posted:

looks like a planeswalker art to me, plus he's the face of the set and all that

Tom Cruise Jace is the best/worst considering he acts the smug rear end in a top hat really well.

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Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

How possible is it to alt flavortext to include beatboxing?

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TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

mcmagic posted:

Her -2 and -8 are control walker abilities but she's in RW and her +2 is aggressive. Kind of pulling in 2 different directions.

Filtering isn't really aggressive, control decks like to do that too.

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Brownhat: Jan 25, 2012; One cannot be a good person and enforce unjust laws.

Zoness posted:

They better game loss people who call her the harbringer though.

Also bets on who says it wrong first on scg coverage? My bet is on CVM and/or Boswell.

My money's on Hunt. He's the actual worst.

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atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

BizarroAzrael posted:

Funny how her ultimate doesn't work as you'd hope with Batterskull.

She seems good, disregarding her ultimate she either comes down and draws a card in place of one you don't want or exiles something. And she can get to 8 pretty quick, so if there's something good to use with it that can be a big threat. There might be times you don't want to use the +2 and can't use the -2 mind.

Edit: One of the best things about her is she can come down, -2 and threaten to -2 again.

+2 has a may on it

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mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

TheKingofSprings posted:

Filtering isn't really aggressive, control decks like to do that too.

It's not card advantage though.

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suicidesteve: Jan 4, 2006; "Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.

Brownhat posted:

My money's on Hunt. He's the actual worst.

- Someone who didn't watch a single second of CVM and Boswell.

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TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

mcmagic posted:

It's not card advantage though.

Neither is Ponder, that doesn't stop it from being a 4 of in control.

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Brownhat: Jan 25, 2012; One cannot be a good person and enforce unjust laws.

suicidesteve posted:

- Someone who didn't watch a single second of CVM and Boswell.

I have. Hunt is still worse by a huge margin.

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mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

TheKingofSprings posted:

Neither is Ponder, that doesn't stop it from being a 4 of in control.

Ponder is 1 mana in the best control color... This is in aggressive color in a format with bad mana.

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80s James Hetfield: Jan 20, 2004; METAL UP YOUR ASS

mcmagic posted:

This confirms Jace will be UB

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Elyv: Jun 14, 2013

80s James Hetfield posted:

This confirms Jace will be UB

wat

you'll have to explain that logic

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Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

I don't think red is as one-dimensionally aggressive as it traditionally was anymore. You have cards like Goblin Dark Dwellers and Abbot to grind out some value.

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TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

mcmagic posted:

Ponder is 1 mana in the best control color... This is in aggressive color in a format with bad mana.

We still don't know what mana this set will have, if any. At the very least between painlands, manlands, and the bofas an UWR control deck is certainly a possibility.

E: a midrange deck even more likely, and she plays incredibly well with madness and she is good with Goblin Dark Dwellers.

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suicidesteve: Jan 4, 2006; "Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.

mcmagic posted:

Ponder is 1 mana in the best control color... This is in aggressive color in a format with bad mana.

We haven't even seen the mana in the format yet what are you talking about?!

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Sarmhan: Nov 1, 2011

suicidesteve posted:

We haven't even seen the mana in the format yet what are you talking about?!

Also as others have probably noticed, repeatable discard outlets are good in a set with madness.

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mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

suicidesteve posted:

We haven't even seen the mana in the format yet what are you talking about?!

It's going to be bad just because there are 6 playable colors now even if we get another cycle of friendly lands.

TheKingofSprings posted:

We still don't know what mana this set will have, if any. At the very least between painlands, manlands, and the bofas an UWR control deck is certainly a possibility.

E: a midrange deck even more likely, and she plays incredibly well with madness and she is good with Goblin Dark Dwellers.

I just don't think a control deck wants her +2, or even something mid rangy... We'll see, it's just a guess at this point anyway.

sarmhan posted:

Also as others have probably noticed, repeatable discard outlets are good in a set with madness.

Agreed, but my point was that that deck will probably be pretty aggressive.

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Zoness: Jul 24, 2011; Talk to the hand.; Grimey Drawer

mcmagic posted:

It's not card advantage though.

I think fiery temper is probably a 4-of in a deck that wants to play nahiri at least

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mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Would her -8 have been too good if you could sneak attack in something from your hand and not just the library? That seems awkward in some cases too.

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Elyv: Jun 14, 2013

mcmagic posted:

Would her -8 have been too good if you could sneak attack in something from your hand and not just the library? That seems awkward in some cases too.

who knows but there's no space on the card

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MiddleEastBeast: Jan 19, 2003; Forum Bully

Elyv posted:

who knows but there's no space on the card

I'm pretty sure all you'd have to do is add "or hand" after "Search your library" in the first sentence.

edit: nm, that gets messy with the shuffle clause then, since they'd presumably word it to only have you shuffle if you searched your library

# ? Mar 14, 2016 16:54

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TheKingofSprings posted:

We still don't know what mana this set will have, if any. At the very least between painlands, manlands, and the bofas an UWR control deck is certainly a possibility.

E: a midrange deck even more likely, and she plays incredibly well with madness and she is good with Goblin Dark Dwellers.

I like this new Nahiri a lot. I think she has plenty of potential. She's better than Narset ever was.

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Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

Zoness posted:

I think fiery temper is probably a 4-of in a deck that wants to play nahiri at least

If enablers keep showing up the way they have so far, fiery temper is going to be a great card. Really surprising it is at common even given WOTC stance on good removal being at least uncommon lately.

Nahiri doesn't seem all that good right now. The plus isn't a great turn 4 line of play unless there is some zero cmc madness costs. I feel like the creature part of the -2 could have had a restriction but still have been better. Instead of tapped it could have had a power/toughness restriction or something similar. That way it stays flexible and doesn't just become a better bobby nixon. I just don't see how someone could play her over a more efficient madness enabler or strictly more powerful, specialized card.

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mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Sickening posted:

If enablers keep showing up the way they have so far, fiery temper is going to be a great card. Really surprising it is at common even given WOTC stance on good removal being at least uncommon lately.

Nahiri doesn't seem all that good right now. The plus isn't a great turn 4 line of play unless there is some zero cmc madness costs. I feel like the creature part of the -2 could have had a restriction but still have been better. Instead of tapped it could have had a power/toughness restriction or something similar. That way it stays flexible and doesn't just become a better bobby nixon. I just don't see how someone could play her over a more efficient madness enabler or strictly more powerful, specialized card.

I feel like she would've been better 2 standards ago. Come down for 4 and destroy your Anafenza that just attacked seems like something good to do.

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I mean, this is all assuming there are actual good madness cards because I'm not gonna run Nahiri just to run 4 copies of lightning bolt. If she's not enabling something better that that I don't think she's particularly good. And that's still an open question given that Maro was concerned about how good Madness would be to begin with.

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Sarmhan: Nov 1, 2011

And next up on "Mcmagic makes sweeping generalizations with minimal information".

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Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

Rules question for any judges: if I activate Sinister Concoction do I get to see what card I milled before I choose what card to discard? It could be pretty relevant if I'm trying to enable Delirium this turn.

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DangerDongs: Nov 7, 2010; Grimey Drawer

Sickening posted:

If enablers keep showing up the way they have so far, fiery temper is going to be a great card. Really surprising it is at common even given WOTC stance on good removal being at least uncommon lately.

Nahiri doesn't seem all that good right now. The plus isn't a great turn 4 line of play unless there is some zero cmc madness costs. I feel like the creature part of the -2 could have had a restriction but still have been better. Instead of tapped it could have had a power/toughness restriction or something similar. That way it stays flexible and doesn't just become a better bobby nixon. I just don't see how someone could play her over a more efficient madness enabler or strictly more powerful, specialized card.

Then I am grateful they designed a planeswalker that is flexible instead of a 4 auto include in every deck running her colors. She isn't bad, because she can be removal, or, like people are saying, a madness trigger. Depending on other removal in the white and red realm, I can see people running 2 of her.

I don't think she will be played for her -8, but people probably will run 1 fatty just in case they do hit 8.

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Yawgmoth: Sep 10, 2003; This post is cursed!

Irony Be My Shield posted:

Rules question for any judges: if I activate Sinister Concoction do I get to see what card I milled before I choose what card to discard? It could be pretty relevant if I'm trying to enable Delirium this turn.

You go in the order it's listed, so yes.

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I get the feeling that the "tapped" clause on Nahiri is going to make a lot of people feel a lot worse about the card once they actually try it in practice

# ? Mar 14, 2016 17:07

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Irony Be My Shield posted:

Rules question for any judges: if I activate Sinister Concoction do I get to see what card I milled before I choose what card to discard? It could be pretty relevant if I'm trying to enable Delirium this turn.

Yes you do, that card is designed to get delirium on early.

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mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Angry Grimace posted:

I mean, this is all assuming there are actual good madness cards because I'm not gonna run Nahiri just to run 4 copies of lightning bolt. If she's not enabling something better that that I don't think she's particularly good. And that's still an open question given that Maro was concerned about how good Madness would be to begin with.

Two things to agree with this. She also can't come down and turn 4 and active madness. She turns your bolts into sorcery speed.

Errant Gin Monks posted:

Yes you do, that card is designed to get delirium on early.

If I ever get to play Modern Grixis Control again after Eldrazi winter is over, this card will be SWEET in that.

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Skyl3lazer: Aug 27, 2007; [Dooting Stealthily]

Yawgmoth posted:

You go in the order it's listed, so yes.

You actually pay it in any order you want (601.2g, which is the same for activated abilities as it is for spells per 602.2b)

"The player pays the total cost in any order. Partial payments are not allowed. Unpayable costs can�t be paid."

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sit on my Facebook: Jun 20, 2007; ASS GAS OR GRASS
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Delirium is a wonderful name for a mechanic.

"Are you delirious?"

"Nah, I'm still lucid"

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mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Skyl3lazer posted:

You actually pay it in any order you want (601.2g, which is the same for activated abilities as it is for spells per 602.2b)

"The player pays the total cost in any order. Partial payments are not allowed. Unpayable costs can�t be paid."

I don't see any situation where you would want to discard before you mill...

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